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"build that wall"

It's been obvious for awhile that you've bought the "Trump is incapable of doing anything right whatsoever" that has been sold to you. Maybe you have a case in terms of foreign policy and similar things. However if there's one thing that the man understands, it's the corporate tax code.

It really boggles my mind how Trump's haters try to have their cake and eat it too. Throughout the campaign and election all we heard about was how Trump is such a schemer, finding loopholes in the tax code in order to not pay taxes he should have owed. It's not possible to manipulate something you have no idea about. Now we have his haters saying he doesn't have a clue about the tax code or how it works. Get the damn story straight.
Technically you could manipulate it without knowing how it works. All you have to do is hire a good accountant. I agree with your overall point though.
 
That's absurd.

You just can't handle that your ego got crushed after you spent a year and lost $100 telling us all that Trump had no shot.
Has nothing to do with ego. True I didn't think Trump had a chance because I didn't think they were enough people like you stupid enough to vote for him and you proved me wrong. He has proven since he was elected that in fact he is as stupid as I was afraid he was
 
Has nothing to do with ego. True I didn't think Trump had a chance because I didn't think they were enough people like you stupid enough to vote for him and you proved me wrong. He has proven since he was elected that in fact he is as stupid as I was afraid he was

You are such a bitter old man.

How has any American's life become worse since Trump was elected?

And don't worry, I can tell you how countless lives have improved.
 
The world hasn't ended because Trump took office. We haven't gone back into the stone age.

Where I grow concerned is Trump's behavior and the precedent he sets when he alienates an ally, has a really stupid tweet, or starts attacking people because they criticize him. The man's ego is enormous, but it's also incredibly fragile. He'll say anything to make himself look good even if it isn't the truth. And people will say, "every politician does that to a certain extent." And you'd be right, but Trump's is much more blatant. He can't simply dismiss something as 'fake news' just because it's critical of him and his staff. And he can't expect unquestioned loyalty or dole out patronage from people, simply because he's in the White House.

Part of being President is having appropriate mannerisms, and knowing how to maneuver through the world of diplomacy. To secure and promote American interests, and having the intelligence to know when to wield the tremendous power we have, and when to refrain. He knows nothing of this world. Thankfully, Rex Tillerson seems to be doing a decent job.

And this whole Russia thing? Well, I'm just going to wait and see what Robert Mueller does. If I trust anyone to see this investigation through, it's him.
 
The world hasn't ended because Trump took office. We haven't gone back into the stone age.

Where I grow concerned is Trump's behavior and the precedent he sets when he alienates an ally, has a really stupid tweet, or starts attacking people because they criticize him. The man's ego is enormous, but it's also incredibly fragile. He'll say anything to make himself look good even if it isn't the truth. And people will say, "every politician does that to a certain extent." And you'd be right, but Trump's is much more blatant. He can't simply dismiss something as 'fake news' just because it's critical of him and his staff. And he can't expect unquestioned loyalty or dole out patronage from people, simply because he's in the White House.

Part of being President is having appropriate mannerisms, and knowing how to maneuver through the world of diplomacy. To secure and promote American interests, and having the intelligence to know when to wield the tremendous power we have, and when to refrain. He knows nothing of this world. Thankfully, Rex Tillerson seems to be doing a decent job.

And this whole Russia thing? Well, I'm just going to wait and see what Robert Mueller does. If I trust anyone to see this investigation through, it's him.

Did you notice that we just had a 15-0 resolution passed in the UN Security Council? When was the last time that has happened?

I wouldnt worry about Trump's diplomatic skills.
 
Did you notice that we just had a 15-0 resolution passed in the UN Security Council? When was the last time that has happened?

I wouldnt worry about Trump's diplomatic skills.
Name one skill the man poesses besides giving you a hardon
 
Did you notice that we just had a 15-0 resolution passed in the UN Security Council? When was the last time that has happened?

I wouldnt worry about Trump's diplomatic skills.

Again, how much do you attribute that to Trump as opposed to Rex Tillerson or maybe even the world realizing North Korea having ICBM's is not a good idea?
 
Name one skill the man poesses besides giving you a hardon

1) Winning.

2) Making curmudgeons look foolish.

But if you want a more in depth answer to your question, you will need to answer mine first, since I asked it first.
 
Who hired Tillerson?

I give Trump credit for his hires, and also blame him when they go bad aka: the mooch.

But you can't tell me you're not concerned about some of his behavior. It wasn't stunts he was pulling on the campaign trail, the man has no impulse control and I think there's too much back channeling going on with his staff, which hopefully John Kelly can fix.

Bottom line, there are things about him that trouble me deeply. There's plenty of hysteria surrounding Trump, but there's also a lot of legitimate criticism.
 
I give Trump credit for his hires, and also blame him when they go bad aka: the mooch.

But you can't tell me you're not concerned about some of his behavior. It wasn't stunts he was pulling on the campaign trail, the man has no impulse control and I think there's too much back channeling going on with his staff, which hopefully John Kelly can fix.

Bottom line, there are things about him that trouble me deeply. There's plenty of hysteria surrounding Trump, but there's also a lot of legitimate criticism.

I am only looking at results, not what is reported about WH squabbles.

How has any one American's life become worse since Trump took office?
 
The economy was horrific when Obama took over. I hope people realize that.

As for "What price did I have to pay though" , aside from lack of national security- we are taking steps backward regarding environmental protection and the only beneficiaries are elites who own energy companies... looser environmental rules don't provide some trickle-down help to middle america, it just spoils their water.

And we are taking ZERO steps forward regarding really important things - healthcare, supreme court justice, tax reform, education, etc. If you want less taxes on the rich and less taxes on corporations, maybe you'll get what you want, but even that stuff is at risk due to the lack of cohesion in DC which is partly Trumps to blame.
 
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The economy was horrific when Obama took over. I hope people realize that.

I think most everyone realizes that. Many also realize he had diddly to do with the recovery.

As for "What price did I have to pay though" , aside from lack of national security- we are taking steps backward regarding environmental protection and the only beneficiaries are elites who own energy companies... looser environmental rules don't provide some trickle-down help to middle america, it just spoils their water.

I haven't noticed anything getting past national security and harming the citizens in the country - can you point some out?

And we are taking ZERO steps forward regarding really important things - healthcare, supreme court justice, tax reform, education, etc. If you want less taxes on the rich and less taxes on corporations, maybe you'll get what you want, but even that stuff is at risk due to the lack of cohesion in DC which is partly Trumps to blame.

He put forth a healthcare bill. It was rejected. He has nominated a supreme court justice. Tax reform doesn't happen overnight, but I'd assume its in the works and will be presented once they're relatively certain the people who want to make sure we don't take a dime away from the lazy fuks who don't want to work won't veto it.

The lack of cohesion in DC is just as much the fault of the people who will fight Trump tooth and nail on whatever he proposes, as it is Trump's who is incredibly hard-headed in his own right.
 
Manafort had his house raided by the FBI this morning. But that must be fake news because the whole Russia investigation is obviously fake... The Trump's have been so transparent and honest, i can't imagine why anybody wouldn't trust them.

/s
 
The lack of cohesion in DC is just as much the fault of the people who will fight Trump tooth and nail on whatever he proposes, as it is Trump's who is incredibly hard-headed in his own right.

The lack of cohesion has a lot more to do with the side of the aisle that seems convinced that bringing a snowball on to the Senate floor is adequate evidence to disprove climate change. You don't get to complain about democrats fighting Trump on "everything he proposes" after the shit that Republicans pulled for the past eight years during Obama's administration.
 
You don't get to complain about democrats fighting Trump on "everything he proposes" after the shit that Republicans pulled for the past eight years during Obama's administration.

Was the blind opposition to Obama good for the country and getting stuff done?

Should we be focused on getting even - or moving forward?
 
I am only looking at results, not what is reported about WH squabbles.

How has any one American's life become worse since Trump took office?

Why don't you ask that question to the trans community? How about to the over 10 thousand trans troops serving in our armed forces?

Why don't you ask that question to the innocent families that have been devastated by ICE, even though they have zero history of criminal behavior?

How about the actual American citizens who were stuck outside of the country because of this idiotic, blatantly unconstitutional "travel ban."

Of course we also have to take into account his failures... He failed to repeal Obamacare, which would have kicked nearly 20 million people off of health insurance, inevitably costing lives. That isn't political spin, its the position of the AMA, the largest organization of doctors in the United States. So he tried to pass a tax cut that would have cost people their lives, but fortunately he failed.
 
Why don't you ask that question to the trans community? How about to the over 10 thousand trans troops serving in our armed forces?

Why don't you ask that question to the innocent families that have been devastated by ICE, even though they have zero history of criminal behavior?

How about the actual American citizens who were stuck outside of the country because of this idiotic, blatantly unconstitutional "travel ban."

Of course we also have to take into account his failures... He failed to repeal Obamacare, which would have kicked nearly 20 million people off of health insurance, inevitably costing lives. That isn't political spin, its the position of the AMA, the largest organization of doctors in the United States. So he tried to pass a tax cut that would have cost people their lives, but fortunately he failed.

1- it is not a right to serve in the military. There are many people who would like to fly an F-18, but can't because they can't pass the physical.
2- I said Americans, not illegals.
3- How many Americans citizens with American passports were denied entry into the country due to the travel ban? I'm gonna need a link to back up your assertion.
4- Only 11 million people are enrolled in the ACA. Can you explain how 20 million were to be kicked off? Not that it matters anyway, because the legislation didn't pass.

Care to try again?
 
Was the blind opposition to Obama good for the country and getting stuff done?

Should we be focused on getting even - or moving forward?

As soon as he stops supporting policy to expand income inequality and serve himself and the wealthiest 1 percent, maybe he'll stop being opposed. The problem with your argument, is that the opposition to Trump isn't blind. Conservatives love to act like its "snowflake hysteria" despite the fact that Trump is providing us all with more than enough objective evidence of his incompetence and even maliciousness.

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If I worked in the financial sector or owned an oil company, and didn't have any ethics, I would love this guy. Its actually probably a good strategy for him to act like a clown. Keeps people distracted from all of this...


Attacked the Department of Labor’s fiduciary rule, which would have required retirement advisers to act in their clients’ best financial interest.
President Trump delayed the rule’s implementation by 60 days and has ordered the department to re-evaluate the rule. This will make it much harder to save for retirement, as high fees from conflicted advice result in savers losing $17 billion in fees annually.

Raised housing payments for new homebuyers by about $500 in 2017.
On its first day, the Trump administration reversed an Obama administration action to lower Federal Housing Administration, or FHA, mortgage insurance premiums for new homebuyers by 25 basis points, which could have lowered mortgage payments for 1 million households purchasing or refinancing their home this year alone.

Delayed court proceedings on the Obama administration’s expansion of overtime, failing to defend the pro-worker rule. This rule would have raised wages for workers by $12 billion over the next 10 years and extended overtime protections to 4.2 million more Americans. In his confirmation hearings, Labor Secretary nominee Alexander Acosta suggested he would attempt to weaken the overtime rule.

Delayed enforcement of a rule to reduce workers’ exposure to deadly silica dust for three months
. After more than four decades of development, this rule would protect construction and manufacturing workers from inhaling silica, which can lead to lung cancer, silicosis, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, and kidney disease. It was projected to save more than 600 lives and prevent more than 900 new cases of silicosis each year.

Repealed the Fair Pay and Safe Workplaces Executive Order, which ensured that federal contractors complied with worker protection laws before receiving government contracts.
The order would have required companies wanting to do business with the government to disclose past labor law violations and come into compliance before receiving new contracts. Because of the repeal, millions of workers will be more vulnerable to wage theft, workplace injuries, and discrimination on the job. The order also would have protected women by banning forced arbitration in the case of sexual assault, harassment, or discrimination claims.

Supported efforts in Congress to cut taxes on the wealthy that help fund the Affordable Care Act, or ACA.
As part of Congress’s effort to repeal and replace the ACA, a move that President Trump supported, the 3.8 percent net investment income tax would have been repealed at a cost of $157 billion over 10 years, according to Congressional Budget Office, or CBO. This is revenue needed to fund important programs that ensure basic human living standards and retirement security for tens of millions of working Americans. Based on Trump’s rental real estate income alone, The Wall Street Journal estimated the repeal would have saved Trump $3.2 million in taxes in 2016 alone.

Tried to cut his own taxes by millions of dollars while taking health insurance from tens of millions of Americans.
Based on President Trump’s leaked 2005 Tax Return Form 1040, repealing the ACA could give Trump a personal tax cut of more than $2 million. At the same time, the House legislation to repeal the ACA would have taken health insurance from 24 million Americans.

Assembled a team of wealthy financial industry elites to advise him on tax reform, which he promised would benefit the middle class.
The tax code is the tool of choice when special favors are doled out to special interests. Despite his campaign promises to drain the swamp, President Trump has assembled a band of elites to construct his tax reform plan: three former Goldman Sachs executives, Steve Mnuchin, Gary Cohn, and Steve Bannon; two more former executives from the finance industry, Justin Muzinich and Craig Phillips; and a former tax lobbyist for Fidelity Investments, Shahira Knight.
 
Made it harder for veterans to find jobs with a federal hiring freeze. Veteransreceive a strong hiring preference for federal jobs, and roughly one-third of all newly hired federal employees in 2015 were veterans. Even if many jobs at the Department of Veterans Affairs, or VA, are exempt from the hiring freeze, other vacant jobs will still be unavailable at other federal agencies.

Proposed budget cuts that would devastate rural America.
President Trump’s budget would eliminate programs that support rural jobs, housing, infrastructure, health care, and economic development. If implemented, these budget cuts would eliminate affordable housing for tens of thousands of struggling rural families; eliminate community service jobs for 18,000 senior citizens living in rural areas; and eliminate critical support for airline connections serving 175 small and rural communities.

Proposed dramatically slashing job training programs and worker wage and safety enforcement.
President Trump’s proposed fiscal year 2018 budget could result in 2.7 million adults and youths losing access to job training and employment services in 2018.

Proposed budget cuts that would increase roadway congestion and reduce economic productivity
. The budget calls for eliminating the TIGER grant program at the U.S. Department of Transportation, or USDOT, which funds innovative surface transportation projects. Additionally, the budget calls for the phased elimination of the New Starts program within the Federal Transit Administration, which funds major public transportation projects. Rail and bus rapid transit projects help to reduce roadway congestion and air pollution while spurring economic development.

Proposed budget cuts that would threaten billions in loans and investments to distressed communities.
The proposed budget would eliminate the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Community Development Financial Institutions Fund, which supports billions of dollars in financing across low-income communities, including more than $300 million in rural and Native American communities, as well as the Economic Development Administration and the Manufacturing Extension Partnership, costing another $300 million or more that is annually invested in community growth. Without federal support, economic development in these locations will suffer, including small-business development.

Reneged on his promise to disclose his tax returns.
President Trump’s refusal leaves Americans in the dark about whether any tax reform he proposes will benefit him or working Americans. Trump repeatedly stated before and after he was elected that he would disclose his tax returns. While initially he said he could not release them because he was being audited—a fact that does not prevent anyone from releasing their returns—his counselor, Kellyanne Conway has now said, “He’s not going to release his tax returns.”

Proposed
$6.7 billion cut to housing and community support programs. President Trump’s budget would eliminate the Community Development Block Grant, which is used by 1,265 local communities for important initiatives such as Meals on Wheels, neighborhood rehabilitation, the development of affordable housing, job training, and business expansion. The Housing Choice Vouchers program will also experience deep cuts in funding, as will other programs providing supportive services for the elderly and persons with disabilities. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, about 200,000 families will no longer receive a housing voucher to pay for their rental costs and could eventually face homelessness in a housing market where there is a severe shortage of affordable housing.

Attacked neutral budget analysts so that lawmakers ignore negative effects from their policies.
The Trump administration attacked the nonpartisan CBO in an attempt to preemptively discredit their estimates related to legislation repealing the ACA. These attacks continued after the CBO estimated that the House ACA repeal bill would take coverage away from 24 million Americans by 2026. This is part of a larger attempt by the Trump administration to discredit independent data and analysis in order to obscure the negative impacts that their agenda will have for working families.

Undermined investor protection by making it harder for the Securities and Exchange Commission, or SEC, to hold Wall Street accountable.
An independent and vigorous Division of Enforcement at the SEC is vital to preserving free and fair financial markets for investors. After the Bernie Madoff scandal, Obama administration SEC Chair Mary Schapiro made it easier for Division of Enforcement staff to open investigations and issue subpoenas to protect investors and get to the bottom of suspected malfeasance. Chair Michael Piwowar inexplicably rolled back this change, hindering the SEC’s ability to protect the average investor from financial wrongdoing. He has also proposed rolling back key advances in corporate transparency, including regarding human rights risks in supply chains and the pay ratio between CEOs and the median worker.
 
Proposed cuts to energy programs that save people money. The Trump budget blueprint calls for a 5.6 percent cut overall to the U.S. Department of Energy. This cut, along with calls for additional funding to nuclear security and waste cleanup, mean that there will be steeper cuts for programs designed to develop household appliances that save families money. President Trump’s budget proposal also eliminates programs such as ARPA-E, which helps entrepreneurs develop clean, affordable energy, and the Weatherization Assistance Program, which upgrades the homes of low-income families with insulation and cost-effective energy efficient improvements to help reduce utility bills.

Allowed a dangerous pesticide to stay on the market, despite it being a threat to children’s health.
Chlorpyrifos a common agricultural pesticide that causes neurological harm in children exposed in utero. In 2016, the EPA’s scientists concluded that the agency should ban chlorpyrifos after finding unsafe levels of the chemical on apples, peaches, oranges, strawberries, and other fruits. Dow Chemical, one of the largest producers of products using this chemical, gave $1 million to President Trump’s inauguration committee and leads a presidential advisory committee on manufacturing. On March 28, Trump’s EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt rejected the findings of the agency’s scientists, denied a petition to ban the chemical, and delayed further action until 2022.

Eliminated pollution standards for power plants and oil and gas facilities.
In his final term, President Obama established the first-ever carbon pollution standards for power plants and the first-ever methane standards for oil and gas drilling facilities. These standards would have reduced soot- and smog-forming pollutants that trigger asthma attacks and cut emissions of carbon and other gases that cause climate change. On March 28, President Trump signed an executive order that started the process of nullifying these pollution standards and making it harder for future presidents to put them back in place.

Proposed cutting EPA programs to clean up water sources.
In February, President Trump proposed a budget for the EPA that would cut the agency’s fundingby 31 percent and its staff by one-quarter. The president’s proposal targets several popular programs, such as regional efforts to clean up the Great Lakes, Gulf of Mexico, Chesapeake Bay, and other iconic bodies of water.

Proposed
eliminating programs at the EPA dedicated to preventing children’s exposure to lead-based paint, which can cause neurological delays. An estimated 38 million U.S. homes contain lead-based paint, and in 2015, the Centers for Disease Control found that 243,000 children had elevated levels of lead in their blood. Lead is a neurotoxin that causes permanent nerve damage.

Rolled back important protections for drinking water in coal communities.
One of the Trump administration’s first actions was to nix the Stream Protection Rule put in place by the Obama administration to prevent coal companies from polluting nearby streams. Scrapping this environmental protection was a top priorityof the coal industry at the expense of clean drinking water in coal communities.

Repealed anti-bribery rule to the delight of the oil industry.
President Trump eliminated an anti-corruption rule that had required oil and gas companies to disclose payments to foreign governments. When he was still the CEO of Exxon Mobil, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson had lobbied to remove the rules established under the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act.

Ripped off American taxpayers and avoided fixing the broken federal coal-leasing program.
The Trump administration moved to preserve a loophole the Obama administration closed that allows coal companies to rip off taxpayers by allowing them to sell coal mined on federal lands to their own subsidiaries at artificially low prices and shirk royalty payment responsibilities.
 
Halted the first comprehensive review of the federal coal program in more than 30 years while simultaneously opening public lands for new leases to mine coal. Federal coal lease sales only bring in, on average, $1 per ton in bids, and taxpayers are estimated to be losing $1 billion annually in lost royalty payments on undervalued coal sales.

Proposed major cuts to the Department of the Interior’s budget that would impair critical maintenance of our national parks while making a public show of supporting them.
A few weeks after proposing to cut $1.5 billion, or 12 percent, from the Department of the Interior’s budget, President Trump had Press Secretary Sean Spicer ceremoniously hand a $78,000 check—Trump’s first-quarter earnings—to Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke to help the National Park Service. Here’s the rub: Trump’s check only covers 0.01 percent of $1.3 billion in “critical systems deferred maintenance” that the National Park Service urgently needs.

Signed two Muslim and refugee bans, both of which have been enjoined by federal courts. In January, and then again in March, President Trump signed executive orders banning immigrants from seven—and then, subsequently, six—Muslim-majority nations for at least three months and halting the refugee programfor four months. The January executive order sparked widespread protests at airports all across the country and was quickly blocked by a federal court in Washington state and then by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. In early March, Trump signed a barely revised version of the original order, which courts in Hawaii and Maryland rightly acknowledged still constituted a Muslim and refugee ban. The core parts of the ban were once again put on hold.

Made every unauthorized immigrant a deportation priority, regardless of equities.
As a matter of the smart prioritization of resources, the Obama administration focused its immigration enforcement on serious threats to national security and public safety, as well as recent border crossers. Within days of taking office, Trump signed an executive order eliminating the Obama priorities, effectively making all unauthorized immigrants a priority for deportation, regardless of how long they have been in the country, their ties to families and communities, or other equities. In practice, this has meant that people like Guadalupe García de Rayos, a mother of two from Arizona who has been in the U.S. for over two decades, and Maribel Trujillo Diaz, a mother of four U.S.-born children have been deported.

Made immigrant survivors of domestic abuse and sexual assault afraid to turn to law enforcement for help.
Aggressive immigration enforcement by the Trump administration—including a case in El Paso, where immigration officials arrested a victim of domestic abuse at a courthouse after she received a protective order against her abuser—has made immigrants and Latinos, regardless of immigration status, increasingly reluctant to come forward to report crimes. Prosecutors in Denver have been forced to drop four domestic violence prosecutions because immigrant victims no longer wish to cooperate. Another domestic violence case in Austin hangs in limbo under similar circumstances. Since last year, Los Angeles has seen reports by Latinos of sexual assault decline by 25 percent, and Houston has seen reports by Latinos of rapes decline by nearly 43 percent. By making everyone a priority, the administration has made no one a priority to the detriment of public safety.

Imperiled American voters with untrue claims about illegal voting. President Trump’s empty claims of widespread fraud undermine the integrity of our elections and lay the basis for voter suppression efforts that attack our constitutional right to participate in self-government. When government officials spread lies that call into question the legitimacy of our elections, people lose faith in the democratic process. Instead of responding to the clear and present dangers of foreign interference and discriminatory efforts to keep some American citizens from casting their ballots, Trump chooses to spread baseless slander while calling for a witch hunt against American voters.
 
Brought pay-to-play corruption to the presidency. The Trump family continues to promote their private business interests at home and abroad while profiting off of the presidency. Corruption, or even the appearance of corruption, diminishes trust in government and increases cynicism toward democratic institutions. At a time when 75 percent of Americans already believe that corruption is widespread in government, President Trump’s blatant disregard for ethics rules and constitutional prohibitions on

Undermined transparency and accountability by continuing to hide his tax returns and withholding
White House visitor logs. Due to his refusal to release his tax returns the full extent of President Trump’s indebtedness and foreign entanglements remains unknown. As a result, Americans cannot be sure that Trump is not providing favors and special treatment to his business partners or that foreign states and businesses are not leveraging influence over the Trump administration and its decisions. It is impossible for Trump to lead an effort to revise the tax code without Americans knowing how his proposals would line his own pocket. Changing the practice to stop disclosing White House visitor logs prevents the public from knowing who is accessing federal officials on a daily basis and keeps special interest influence shrouded in secrecy.

The full list is a lot longer. These are just some of the highlights
 
Why don't you ask that question to the trans community? How about to the over 10 thousand trans troops serving in our armed forces?

Care to provide a valid link for that number quote? Considering the pentagon doesn't even know. And no, I'm not taking some asshats guesstimation from a survey as evidence.

As soon as he stops supporting policy to expand income inequality and serve himself and the wealthiest 1 percent, maybe he'll stop being opposed.

Income inequality isn't a problem he needs to fix. This how capitalism works. If you're capable of making money, you do. If you're not, you don't. It's not everyone else's problem that person X doesn't make as much as person Y. Capitalism is what has driven this country to be the most successful in the world. If you don't like capitalism - go find somewhere else to live that has a different method. I hear North Korea and Cuba are great places to live.

Conservatives love to act like its "snowflake hysteria" despite the fact that Trump is providing us all with more than enough objective evidence of his incompetence and even maliciousness.

You say this as though you don't think the previous president provided plenty of objective reasons to oppose much of what he did.
 
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Care to provide a valid link for that number quote? Considering the pentagon doesn't even know. And no, I'm not taking some asshats guesstimation from a survey as evidence.

Here's a link from Time. You're never going to get an exact number because people who have effectively transitioned are going to under report out of fear of being outed. The military is a big organization, and there are many trans people serving our country in it. Nitpicking the numbers isn't really the point IMO.

As a side point, do you think there are more male > female, or female > males in the military? I'm guessing its female > male, and probably not even close. Androgen and testosterone are a lot cheaper than the transition surgeries of male > female transexuals. It also means that you're basically kicking a bunch of able bodied men out of the military. If you don't think so because of some underlying biology, then you must not be familiar with female bodybuilding.

http://time.com/4874380/donald-trump-military-transgender-how-many/

Income inequality isn't a problem he needs to fix. This how capitalism works. If you're capable of making money, you do. If you're not, you don't. It's not everyone else's problem that person X doesn't make as much as person Y. Capitalism is what has driven this country to be the most successful in the world. If you don't like capitalism - go find somewhere else to live that has a different method. I hear North Korea and Cuba are great places to live.

Some income inequality is a given in a capitalist structure. That doesn't mean it should be unlimited, or that we have to allow it to get so out of hand. Saying, "If you are capable of making money, you do" is a gross oversimplification. Capital is the key to amassing wealth, and access to capital often has nothing to do with ability. The North Korea and Cuba comment is just ridiculous and beneath you. Equating economic regulations to full blown communism, or authoritarian dictatorship like NK is beyond absurd. It hasn't been unregulated capitalism that has driven this country to be the most successful in the world. Do you think we would be where we are today if we still had our kids working in factories with horrible conditions because we don't have any labor laws? I mean, people who are "capable" won't have to do that kind of stuff anyways right?

You say this as though you don't think the previous president provided plenty of objective reasons to oppose much of what he did.

He provided plenty of objective reason. But the current president is orders of magnitude worse. They aren't even comparable. Obama was a centrist democrat and probably a bit of a narcissist who loved basking in the glory of his own cult of personality. But he also was an extremely intelligent man, who displayed every sign of being thoughtful, and deliberate with his words and actions. The perception of the U.S. improved greatly in the international community during his presidency. Exactly the opposite has happened since Trump took office.
 
Nitpicking the numbers isn't really the point IMO.

Agreed. But you were the one who quoted a number as if it was definitive when everything is an estimate.

As a side point, do you think there are more male > female, or female > males in the military? I'm guessing its female > male, and probably not even close. Androgen and testosterone are a lot cheaper than the transition surgeries of male > female transexuals. It also means that you're basically kicking a bunch of able bodied men out of the military. If you don't think so because of some underlying biology, then you must not be familiar with female bodybuilding.

l would also assume female > male would be the overwhelming majority. And I don't care if the transition surgery/hormones were $1. I don't think tax payer money should be going to anything that is an elective cosmetic surgery - be it a nose job, hair restoration, gender transition, etc.

I'm also not in favor of kicking them out of the military. I'm perfectly fine with them serving (assuming they're physically and mentally capable of doing their job - the same criteria I would hold for non-trans people), and I'm not sure what gave you the impression that I wasn't.

Some income inequality is a given in a capitalist structure. That doesn't mean it should be unlimited, or that we have to allow it to get so out of hand. Saying, "If you are capable of making money, you do" is a gross oversimplification. Capital is the key to amassing wealth, and access to capital often has nothing to do with ability. The North Korea and Cuba comment is just ridiculous and beneath you. Equating economic regulations to full blown communism, or authoritarian dictatorship like NK is beyond absurd. It hasn't been unregulated capitalism that has driven this country to be the most successful in the world. Do you think we would be where we are today if we still had our kids working in factories with horrible conditions because we don't have any labor laws? I mean, people who are "capable" won't have to do that kind of stuff anyways right?

I do agree with some of what you're saying here. For the most part it does take mega capital to amass more mega capital (although there are obviously exceptions). Some regulations like child labor laws are good. However, too much regulation - especially something like a high minimum wage - is counterproductive. My main problem is that there are too many loopholes in a lot of the programs out there. Like there are some people who legitimately need unemployment, welfare, and disability benefits. But there are also a lot of people that abuse those benefits. Politicians (especially those on the left) don't like to crack down on those programs to try to weed out the abusers because it makes them appear insensitive and may cost them the almighty votes.
 
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Has nothing to do with ego. True I didn't think Trump had a chance because I didn't think they were enough people like you stupid enough to vote for him and you proved me wrong. He has proven since he was elected that in fact he is as stupid as I was afraid he was
Stupid Trump was elected bc stupid Libs elected stupid Obama ... the road was paved when that ass clown assumed office. It's anyone's game from here on out.
 
Agreed. But you were the one who quoted a number as if it was definitive when everything is an estimate.



l would also assume female > male would be the overwhelming majority. And I don't care if the transition surgery/hormones were $1. I don't think tax payer money should be going to anything that is an elective cosmetic surgery - be it a nose job, hair restoration, gender transition, etc.

I'm also not in favor of kicking them out of the military. I'm perfectly fine with them serving (assuming they're physically and mentally capable of doing their job - the same criteria I would hold for non-trans people), and I'm not sure what gave you the impression that I wasn't.



I do agree with some of what you're saying here. For the most part it does take mega capital to amass more mega capital (although there are obviously exceptions). Some regulations like child labor laws are good. However, too much regulation - especially something like a high minimum wage - is counterproductive. My main problem is that there are too many loopholes in a lot of the programs out there. Like there are some people who legitimately need unemployment, welfare, and disability benefits. But there are also a lot of people that abuse those benefits. Politicians (especially those on the left) don't like to crack down on those programs to try to weed out the abusers because it makes them appear insensitive and may cost them the almighty votes.


If you stop responding, he'll probably go away...mad. But he'll go away nonetheless.
 
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