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Hi fellow Tar Heels. I work with a guy who's son was a JV manager a few years back. He told me that the reason the NCAA hasn't made a decision about us, is that they're investigating other schools on-line classes as well as other things. I'm not how or why it would affect us, and I'm not entirely it's true. I'm just throwing this out there because the kid was a manager under Hubert Davis, so there may be some truth to this. Thoughts? Oh, I almost forgot. Dook sucks! Go Heels!
 
Hi fellow Tar Heels. I work with a guy who's son was a JV manager a few years back. He told me that the reason the NCAA hasn't made a decision about us, is that they're investigating other schools on-line classes as well as other things. I'm not how or why it would affect us, and I'm not entirely it's true. I'm just throwing this out there because the kid was a manager under Hubert Davis, so there may be some truth to this. Thoughts? Oh, I almost forgot. Dook sucks! Go Heels!
 
With all due respect to EastRutherfordFan, but the dreaded friend of a friend son's mother in law's sister's brother once removed and now divorced
 
Well, the academic scandal lawsuit supposedly lists over 20 schools in it. So, that would fit.
Yep. It does fit.
A proverbial can o' worms just got opened up for the NCAA to wrangle.
I've said it before, there are no legit UNC basketball violations unless they make something up that's not in their own rule book and try to act tough... and that will bring them a fat lawsuit from UNC. The only cogent charge they could try to levy would be a "failure to monitor", and that was isolated at worst and addressed in-house prior to allegations coming forward. That thus usually falls under a "secondary" violation. There are no eligibility issues under their purview so nothing like Syracuse is even a possibility.
My hope is that they will issue a report, say something nasty about the AFAM deal, and recommend consistent guidelines across the board for "paper" classes at ALL schools (hear that, dook?) --- whether online or independent studies.
 
They start looking into online classes than ALOT of people are in trouble. My niece is a senior at UK & my wife has done tons of work for her on her online classes.
 
"I've said it before, there are no legit UNC basketball violations"

Well actually there could be legit UNC basketball violations. What if they look at the no show classes and try and determine that some players would not have been eligible without them. For example, we all know that Julius Peppers' transcripts were leaked and if he didn't take the no show classes or given certain grades, he wouldn't have been eligible. That's pretty much a fact. This could have been the same for other players over the years, who would have otherwise been ineligible if it weren't for the fake grades.
 
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"I've said it before, there are no legit UNC basketball violations"

Well actually there could be legit UNC basketball violations. What if they look at the no show classes and try and determine that some players would not have been eligible without them. For example, we all know that Julius Peppers' transcripts were leaked and if he didn't take the no show classes or given certain grades, he wouldn't have been eligible. That's pretty much a fact. This could have been the same for other players over the years, who would have otherwise been ineligible if it weren't for the fake grades.

This is not even close to a fact. What if the student had taken classes in leisure studies (@ Moo) or English (@ Duke, but in an NCCU classroom)? Pretty safe to say he would have gotten an A in those.
 
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What if they look at the no show classes and try and determine that some players would not have been eligible without them. For example, we all know that Julius Peppers' transcripts were leaked and if he didn't take the no show classes or given certain grades, he wouldn't have been eligible. That's pretty much a fact.
That's not a fact. It's conjecture.

If Peppers -- or any other player -- hadn't taken a paper class, he would have had to take some other class in its place. It is completely unknowable whether he would have received a good enough grade in that class to remain eligible. Assuming he wouldn't have is the kind of self-serving fallacy trotted out by ABCers who frequent the comments section of Twitter and internet sports sites.
 
Well the guy works with a guy that has a son that was a manager for the JV squad a few yrs back ! That sounds official enough for me ! I will throw this out there for any one who wants to hit me up. I know some people that know some people that rob some people ! They also will give you a good deal on some boot leg movies shot on cam. 1 for 5 or 3 for 12 dollars !:D
 
As to the original topic, seems the investigation has revealed the very same issues at Michigan, as an example. Psych prof up there had quite a number of student/athletes in independent studies...even had a footballer enroll 3 weeks before the end of semester...and he received an A...don't have a link but it sure mirrors UNC's situation. They are defending it well, that it is about the student experience and so on...:D
 
This is not even close to a fact. What if the student had taken classes in leisure studies (@ Moo) or English (@ Duke, but in an NCCU classroom)? Pretty safe to say he would have gotten an A in those.

How is it not a fact? When you look at his transcripts, it's a complete fact that the grades given to him in the AFAM classes is exactly what kept him eligible. He had low grades in just about every other class but AFAM. I think Stevie Wonder could see that this is what helped Peppers stay on the field.
 
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How is it not a fact? When you look at his transcripts, it's a complete fact that the grades given to him in the AFAM classes is exactly what kept him eligible. He had low grades in just about every other class but AFAM. I think Stevie Wonder could see that this is what helped Peppers stay on the field.

Now rub your crystal ball and tell us what classes he would have taken and failed without AFAM.

Mine says he would have taken Tennis 101, Intro to Wood Carving and Scuba Diving. He would have made all A's and passed.

I know I'm correct because my ball is much prettier than yours.

So there.
 
See RH's response.

I promise you Julius Peppers would have been eligible at UNC or every other P5 school, regardless of whether or not he could spell AFAM, let alone take a class in it.

Quit trolling and go back to the Crackride circle jerk.
 
Bottom line is that if a student wants to cheat he will find a way to cheat. Online classes make it much easier and problem NCAA has is that when many of the rules were out in place these type classes did not exist. When the NCAA put up their firewall between academics and athletics to prevent coaches from exerting influence they inadvertently put a lot of these outside their jurisdiction, unless as has happened in some instances (Syracuse and FSU) you can show the athletic side being actively involved. Without proof of that it is an academic issue and the NCAA cannot pass judgment on the validity/integrity of those classes. If it is known a professor only changes about 10% of questions on exams and you have access to testbank of old exams (common in dorms and frats/sororities) that class will fill up quick and most will get an easy A the easy way. Now if stud basketball player is member of Tappa Keg Alpha and gets old tests through their testbank then NCAA cannot do squat.

With so many variables in place and throw in fed regs that protect student privacy (ie, if a student athlete has legit learning disability he by law gets extra help) it is literally impossible to make overall ruling. NCAA has to try and regulate its own members equally when those members themselves do not have to operate the same way since some are public and some are private. The NCAA has created this monster because they have turned student athletes into celebrities on campus. 40 years ago these kids were not on tv three times a week and they lived fairly normal college lives. That has changed as the NCAA has sold it soul to television exposure and advertising money. I have heard UNC has indicated they are willing to challenge a ruling they deem excessive or unreasonable. If that is true the last thing the NCAA wants is to publicly explain their rules and enforcement guidelines.
 
Yep. It does fit.
A proverbial can o' worms just got opened up for the NCAA to wrangle.
I've said it before, there are no legit UNC basketball violations unless they make something up that's not in their own rule book and try to act tough... and that will bring them a fat lawsuit from UNC. The only cogent charge they could try to levy would be a "failure to monitor", and that was isolated at worst and addressed in-house prior to allegations coming forward. That thus usually falls under a "secondary" violation. There are no eligibility issues under their purview so nothing like Syracuse is even a possibility.
My hope is that they will issue a report, say something nasty about the AFAM deal, and recommend consistent guidelines across the board for "paper" classes at ALL schools (hear that, dook?) --- whether online or independent studies.

Your Duke hatred is something I have never witnessed, gary, and that is saying something. Can almost see the smoke rolling out of your ears just reading your posts. What academic scandal was Duke involved in, as you seem to infer, here?
 
"I've said it before, there are no legit UNC basketball violations"

Well actually there could be legit UNC basketball violations. What if they look at the no show classes and try and determine that some players would not have been eligible without them. For example, we all know that Julius Peppers' transcripts were leaked and if he didn't take the no show classes or given certain grades, he wouldn't have been eligible. That's pretty much a fact. This could have been the same for other players over the years, who would have otherwise been ineligible if it weren't for the fake grades.

Exactly. I guess this sort of logic seems to escape gary. IF paper classes were used to keep players eligible then I would say it was an issue...
 
Well the guy works with a guy that has a son that was a manager for the JV squad a few yrs back ! That sounds official enough for me ! I will throw this out there for any one who wants to hit me up. I know some people that know some people that rob some people ! They also will give you a good deal on some boot leg movies shot on cam. 1 for 5 or 3 for 12 dollars !:D
Hey Liz, can you get me the number of the guy who has the boot leg movies? That is, unless you're in them.
 
Your Duke hatred is something I have never witnessed, gary, and that is saying something. Can almost see the smoke rolling out of your ears just reading your posts. What academic scandal was Duke involved in, as you seem to infer, here?


Hey Coryfly!!!- look- it's the douchebag who trolled all of our Rivals HoFanpages back in the day.

What up KellenPatrick? We always wondered if you were real. Why did you spend so much time and effort screwing around with those pages? Why haven't you ever taken the time to post anything of substance?

As far as Duke academic scandals, better hope no one does an FOIA request on NC Central and the number of Duke basketball players taking core classes there. In fact, many players had far more classes at Central than they did Duke, yet still got a Duke degree. How is that possible?
 
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As a proud alumnus, I can safely say we don't have those. Also, no online courses available towards an undergrad degree.

Mark- you ever take a class at NCCU and have it count towards your Duke degree?

Another question- how hard is it to graduate from Duke? Is it possible to do it in 3 years? And what if the student doing it in 3 years missed about 60% of his spring semester classes? That dude would have to be a freaking genius. huh? Or a Duke basketball player. One of the 2.
 
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As a proud alumnus, I can safely say we don't have those. Also, no online courses available towards an undergrad degree.

http://history.duke.edu/undergraduate/independent-study

And I quote:

An Independent Study, or IS, (HISTORY 391/392) usually focuses on historiography and draw heavily from secondary readings. A Research Independent Study, or RIS, (HISTORY393/394) allows students to pursue their own historical research under faculty supervision. Students usually conduct a research independent study concurrently with the Honors Seminar (HISTORY495S/496S) or with an instructor with whom they have had a course. A proposal for directed reading and research should include a detailed description and a list of the proposed readings, and the independent study should result in a substantive, well-written paper or similar final product.

You people are brainwashed idiots. Imagine that from a group who also thinks K is a world class humanitarian.
 
As a proud alumnus, I can safely say we don't have those. Also, no online courses available towards an undergrad degree.

You might want to try Google before you spout off with statements that are completely void of facts.

http://summersession.duke.edu/duke-students/courses/online-courses

See, Duke does have online courses and they count towards undergrad degrees.


Are you sure you actually went to school there? Because for someone who claims to be an alum, you really don't know jack $#it about what is going on with the academic side of Duke. Did you just go to NC Central and because you saw so many Duke athletes there, you figured you actually went to school at Duke? Easy mistake to make, I would guess.
 
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Maybe one day the NCAA will admit to the FACT that athletes, who want to be professional athletes, are not in college for an academic education. They haven't been since... forever! Throw in the multi-billion dollar industry that is College Sports and it's easy to see why. There's nothing "amateur" about this entire topic. It's more like an amateur attempt at denial for what it really is.

I couldn't care less if Julius Peppers, or any other "student athlete", was helped along so they could become professional athletes. That's why they were recruited, given a scholarship, and went on to BE a professional athlete. None of thee kids were given scholarships because they excelled in academics. Why is it a shock when they struggle academically? Especially when you look at the schedule and stress of that schedule on top of what is already a challenge for an 18 year old kid out of high school.

I would be thrilled to see the NCAA become a memory. A bunch of bloated, wealthy hypocrites making billions off of kids and then penalizing them, and schools, at random, and never being accountable for THEIR actions. I truly hope the lawsuits that have gained traction recently will put the NCAA out of business forever.
 
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Mark- you ever take a class at NCCU and have it count towards your Duke degree?

Another question- how hard is it to graduate from Duke? Is it possible to do it in 3 years? And what if the student doing it in 3 years missed about 60% of his spring semester classes? That dude would have to be a freaking genius. huh? Or a Duke basketball player. One of the 2.
1) I never took a class at NC Central. To my knowledge, besides study abroad credit, UNC is the only other school you can take classes at towards a Duke undergrad degree.

2) It is possible to graduate early if you attend both summer sessions each year.
 
I never said there were no easy classes. Just no "paper" or online courses towards an undergrad degree.
Well I'll admit I appear to be wrong about online courses. I know the majority of professors were against it just 2 years ago. That said, you'll notice those are all only available during the summer.
 
1) I never took a class at NC Central. To my knowledge, besides study abroad credit, UNC is the only other school you can take classes at towards a Duke undergrad degree.

2) It is possible to graduate early if you attend both summer sessions each year.

Google is your friend Mark. You keep posting completely refutable BS Mark. Go check on inter-institutional program at Duke and get back with us.

(And yes, I know UNC and Moo students can also take classes at Central)
 
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Well I'll admit I appear to be wrong about online courses. I know the majority of professors were against it just 2 years ago. That said, you'll notice those are all only available during the summer.

It's not that you appear to be wrong, it is that you are actually wrong.

And didn't you just cite summer school as a way a basketball student could get ahead?

Now go check and see if undergrads can take online classes in fall and spring.
 
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It's not that you appear to be wrong, it is that you are actually wrong.

And didn't you just cite summer school as a way a basketball student could get ahead?

Now go check and see if undergrads can take online classes in fall and spring.
I graudated in 2006. Obviously things have changed since I left Durham. UNC classes and study abroad were the only two options for obtaining undergrad credit when I was there.
 
I never said there were no easy classes. Just no "paper" or online courses towards an undergrad degree.
O RLY?

From the linked article, written in 2006 by a former professor at Duke, addressed to K:

"Second, you work the academic system through sympathetic professors and 'independent study' classes to ensure your athletes have to do little academic work, but remain academically eligible. As a former faculty member at Duke, I served on a committee that recommended restrictions on independent study classes. That recommendation went into the ether."

Let me give you a piece of advice, Mark. Hop down off that horse. I know from experience it's a long and painful fall if and when it finally happens.

[Edit to add:] Curiously, that blog post was still available earlier in the week. Since its appearance in another thread here, it has been taken down. Gotta love Google cache, though.
 
O RLY?

From the linked article, written in 2006 by a former professor at Duke, addressed to K:

"Second, you work the academic system through sympathetic professors and 'independent study' classes to ensure your athletes have to do little academic work, but remain academically eligible. As a former faculty member at Duke, I served on a committee that recommended restrictions on independent study classes. That recommendation went into the ether."

Let me give you a piece of advice, Mark. Hop down off that horse. I know from experience it's a long and painful fall if and when it finally happens.

[Edit to add:] Curiously, that blog post was still available earlier in the week. Since its appearance in another thread here, it has been taken down. Gotta love Google cache, though.
I'm not really that concerned what Stuart Rojstaczer thinks. Also, pretty suspect/dated "evidence" you've got there. Personal blog post from a former professor. Not exactly the NYTimes...
 
Interesting attitude. UNC fans didn't really care what a UNC learning specialist thought, either.
I'll gladly eat crow if I'm wrong, but I don't anticipate that will happen on this issue.

In particular, if Rojstaczer was voicing this criticism in 2006 and all of this UNC issue comes to light over the course of the next 9 years, makes you think something would have come up by now if there were issues at Duke. Pretty sure he'd be beating his chest and talking to every major media outlet if that were the case. Also, weren't multiple professors speaking out at UNC about the academic issues, as opposed to one guy who, judging by his wikipedia page, seems hellbent on attacking the integrity of elite academic institutions?
 
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