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Hillary

Since when did the election for POTUS become a beauty pageant . . ?

The GOP tried the beauty before brains avenue in their 2008 bid for the WH, how'd that turn out for ya . . ?

#Palinwasanidiot

I really didn't think McCain was all that good looking. Again you liberals tend to see things differently.
 
Bill Clinton /Obama economies boomed...this election is over before it has started
 
We all know how much conservatives love history. Half of them think the Earth is 5000 years old...
 
She's ugly and crooked..

Guess who killed gay males by throwing them off a building...keep voting liberal. I really don't understand why anyone would just let them walk through the door...
Throw in a crappy politician and a miserable person. Perfect for DEMs to nominate....
 
71-00 you know liberals know nothing about economics. One of the reasons the liberal NEA union opposes teaching it in school. The only thing they do is show "Grapes of Wrath" liberal propaganda film in school. So debating economics with a liberal is pure folly and a wasted effort. They still think "stimulus" trillions worked when those own leader said "I guess those jobs weren't so shovel ready". All that $ went to municipal pension funds and Solyndra and only delayed Detroit going bankrupt. It was the biggest glaring epic fraud and failure of fiscal policy since the 30's. They eat a breathe Kenseyen socialist economics despite its global failure for decades.
 
71-00 you know liberals know nothing about economics. One of the reasons the liberal NEA union opposes teaching it in school. The only thing they do is show "Grapes of Wrath" liberal propaganda film in school. So debating economics with a liberal is pure folly and a wasted effort. They still think "stimulus" trillions worked when those own leader said "I guess those jobs weren't so shovel ready". All that $ went to municipal pension funds and Solyndra and only delayed Detroit going bankrupt. It was the biggest glaring epic fraud and failure of fiscal policy since the 30's. They eat a breathe Kenseyen socialist economics despite its global failure for decades.

He's a new guy so I thought I would give him an opportunity to explain himself.
 
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Understood, but I thought we were done with the stupid slanted charts and graphs when TBB stopped posting on political threads.
 
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A crappy politician who is secretary of state. You guys gotta try a little harder here...

On another note, today I learned Ben Carson actually has supporters. This is the guy that says Obamacare is the worst thing to happen to America since slavery.
 
Any arguments that starts with blaming one political party or ideology for all of the economic problems we face is immediately invalid. In many ways Obama stopped the bleeding, and in some ways he made it worse. Bush, who is politically on the opposite end of the spectrum thought it would be a good idea to start two wars and lower taxes simultaneously.

The extreme political polarization of America is a real problem. Making a comment like "you know liberals dont know anything about economics" is clear proof of the ignorance that is the direct result.

Meanwhile nobody is paying attention to the real issues that are bankrupting our economy. Move to publicly funded elections so politicians cant be bought, and simplify the tax code so that people cant keep writing loopholes into it, and things will get a lot better for average Americans.
 
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I'll even raise you a balanced budget amendment

Cool. Also either take marriage status completely out of the tax code (my preferred course of action) or make gay marriage legal across the board with no ability by any state to override.

What else do you want to fix? We can knock this out today so everyone can move on if you are up for it.
 
A crappy politician who is secretary of state. You guys gotta try a little harder here...

On another note, today I learned Ben Carson actually has supporters. This is the guy that says Obamacare is the worst thing to happen to America since slavery.
She was handed the NY Senate seat on a silver platter. She had ZERO credentials to warrant appointment as SOS. ZEEEEEROOOOOO. Should she actually face a real election fight, she will crumble plain and simple.
 
She was handed the NY Senate seat on a silver platter. She had ZERO credentials to warrant appointment as SOS. ZEEEEEROOOOOO. Should she actually face a real election fight, she will crumble plain and simple.


She doesn't seem to be the type that would crumble to me, too smart and too much fight in her . . she's no Rick Perry iffin' you know what I'm saying.
 
What makes you think she's a fighter? What makes you think she can think on her feet? What makes you think she would survive a real debate with a real candidate going up against her?
 
Cool. Also either take marriage status completely out of the tax code (my preferred course of action) or make gay marriage legal across the board with no ability by any state to override.

What else do you want to fix? We can knock this out today so everyone can move on if you are up for it.

The right to marriage in any state should be protected by the federal government. Frankly its silly people are still fighting this

End the war on drugs. Full legalization of MJ, for recreational and medical purposes. Take a medical approach to rehab for people with addiction problems to the dangerous drugs, which actually works.

Ban private prisons.

I'd also like to see a tax penalty for coroporations who outsource more than say... 50 or 60% of their jobs.

Reverse Citizens United. (obviously this would have to happen for publicly funded elections.)

Implement something similar to GB's "Question time" where the POTUS has to directly answer questions that he doesn't know will be asked in advance. Lying in question time would result in automatic impeachment.

Invest more in education.

Raise minimum wage.

Responsibly address the issue of climate change.


That's fairly off the top of my head but I think there's more than a few changes most Americans would agree with if they weren't too busy being distracted by the tribal charade that American politics has become.
 
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The right to marriage in any state should be protected by the federal government. Frankly its silly people are still fighting this

End the war on drugs. Full legalization of MJ, for recreational and medical purposes. Take a medical approach to rehab for people with addiction problems to the dangerous drugs, which actually works.

Ban private prisons.

I'd also like to see a tax penalty for coroporations who outsource more than say... 50 or 60% of their jobs.

Reverse Citizens United. (obviously this would have to happen for publicly funded elections.)

Implement something similar to GB's "Question time" where the POTUS has to directly answer questions that he doesn't know will be asked in advance. Lying in question time would result in automatic impeachment.

Invest more in education.

Raise minimum wage.

Responsibly address the issue of climate change.


That's fairly off the top of my head but I think there's more than a few changes most Americans would agree with if they weren't too busy being distracted by the tribal charade that American politics has become.

I'm good with your stance and drugs and if these measures were to take place, private prisons would cease to exist of their own accord.

Tax penalty is equal to a tariff. That's not good for anyone.

I would like to see forced press conferences but there is no chance you could keep any of them from lying- it's in their nature.

Assuming there is more money for education, how would you like to invest it?

Raising the minimum wage is terrible for the economy. Again, this just raises prices for everyone

There is no doubt the climate is changing, but there is plenty of doubt as to the reasons. My father in law, who is a Democrat and also retired professor of physics and provost of a well known university, has said this very thing. Instead of attacking pollution from a "you're killing the Earth" angle, can't we just get rid of pollution because it sucks. Burning fossil fuels makes everything shittier, so we need to come up with viable alternatives. Just don't raise peoples hackles by telling them we have to stop because the Earth is too hot- people are gonna get defensive about this because the science is inconclusive as to the cause.
 
Question time isn't a press conference though it is broadcast. The POTUS would have to answer questions from Congress on the spot.

If there was more money to spend on education, the first step would be to bring the rougher schools up to par. I was fortunate enough to go to one of the top high schools in SC. The contrast between the school I went to, and Orangeburg Wilkinson for example, which is about 45 minutes away, is shocking. The building are falling apart, the teachers are less qualified, and the statistics clearly reflect this has a negative impact on students. These schools need help, and that's where the money should go, instead of incentive based funding that keeps widening the gap. Better training more teachers that are willing to teach at these schools is also necesarry.

I'd be very interested to hear other economic alternatives, but two clear problems to me are 1. top level corporations that pay little to no income taxes and 2. the discrepancy between labor and executive wages. I'm not an economic expert and I wont pretend to be, so I'd love to hear other ideas for solving them. But average Americans have got to start making better wages, and corporations have got to start paying their dues. The cost of living has risen significantly, and wages have not been adjusted accordingly. Income inequality has reached an unacceptable level.

Pollution is a very serious problem. We are poising the planet, and the Earth wont have to heat up to punish us for it. One alternative to fossil fuels would be bio-fuels, however thanks to the criminalization of marijuana the best option for creating bio-fuel (hemp, which cannot get you high) is illegal. CO2 emissions aren't the only problem though. We create a lot of waste, and a lot of that waste is being disposed of in a way that is very seriously harming the environment.

In the end, if you get money out of politics, an overwhelming number of problems will get solved. I dont see how that isn't beneficial for conservatives and liberals alike.
 
The right to marriage in any state should be protected by the federal government. Frankly its silly people are still fighting this

End the war on drugs. Full legalization of MJ, for recreational and medical purposes. Take a medical approach to rehab for people with addiction problems to the dangerous drugs, which actually works.

Ban private prisons.

I'd also like to see a tax penalty for coroporations who outsource more than say... 50 or 60% of their jobs.

Reverse Citizens United. (obviously this would have to happen for publicly funded elections.)

Implement something similar to GB's "Question time" where the POTUS has to directly answer questions that he doesn't know will be asked in advance. Lying in question time would result in automatic impeachment.

Invest more in education.

Raise minimum wage.

Responsibly address the issue of climate change.


That's fairly off the top of my head but I think there's more than a few changes most Americans would agree with if they weren't too busy being distracted by the tribal charade that American politics has become.
Liberal Wish List. No surprises there.
 
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Neo-con and Christian is like saying "I'll have pork chops before I go to Temple." Neo-con also LOVES a huge federal government. So, you're not conservative either. You'd do well to learn what "neo-con" means and represents and results in before you go waving it's flag with pride.
And you, as well with respect to 'liberal'...
 
And you, as well with respect to 'liberal'...

What are you talking about??? I am liberal, I am conservative. I'm human. I'm a lot of things at different times, depending on the situation and circumstances, and how I relate to them and have been affected by them up to that point. I never claim to be ONE or THE OTHER. It's absolutely impossible for a person to be one or the other all the time. If a person believes they are, then that person is (as you are) crystallized. They're no longer any good to the rest of society from a socially-present perspective. They are essentially sitting still in time.

Regardless, NEO-con ideology is not conservative in the traditional sense. You proudly displaying that label doesn't surprise me, though.
 
What are you talking about??? I am liberal, I am conservative. I'm human. I'm a lot of things at different times, depending on the situation and circumstances, and how I relate to them and have been affected by them up to that point. I never claim to be ONE or THE OTHER. It's absolutely impossible for a person to be one or the other all the time. If a person believes they are, then that person is (as you are) crystallized. They're no longer any good to the rest of society from a socially-present perspective. They are essentially sitting still in time.

Regardless, NEO-con ideology is not conservative in the traditional sense. You proudly displaying that label doesn't surprise me, though.
If you claim such versatility and flexibility, then I can as well! I'm not one or the other all the time. Liberal ideology is not liberal in the traditional sense either, OBTW.
 
If you claim such versatility and flexibility, then I can as well! I'm not one or the other all the time. Liberal ideology is not liberal in the traditional sense either, OBTW.

You never exhibit any versatility. You can claim it as much as you want. Claiming it and showing it are different things. Claiming to be conservative and then endorsing what is known as neo-conservatism is a bastardization of the conservative thought and exhibits NO versatility. It's doing the opposite, basically. Neo-con allows someone like you to be even more crystallized, if that were possible. Fitting that it was created by Irving Kristol.

I know what your stance on EVERY issue will be before I ever even hear the issue.
 
You never exhibit any versatility. You can claim it as much as you want. Claiming it and showing it are different things. Claiming to be conservative and then endorsing what is known as neo-conservatism is a bastardization of the conservative thought and exhibits NO versatility. It's doing the opposite, basically. Neo-con allows someone like you to be even more crystallized, if that were possible. Fitting that it was created by Irving Kristol.

I know what your stance on EVERY issue will be before I ever even hear the issue.
Good! Then I'm consistent! Which pisses you off and makes me happy!
 
I've lost a lot of respect for some of you after reading the nonsense you posted here. I had much higher expectations. This is obviously not the place to hold an intelligent political conversation.
 
I've lost a lot of respect for some of you after reading the nonsense you posted here. I had much higher expectations. This is obviously not the place to hold an intelligent political conversation.

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
 
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Hilarious....like the economy would collapse under Obama...Obama care will kill the health care system...he would turn us into a Muslim state....you do understand without the Iraq war..Isis is not even invented...too funny....the scare tactics are great...Isis taking over the US ha ha ha

You do understand that ISIS came out of the mess that was Syria and not Iraq? It came because we were running weapons through Benghazi to try and overthrow the Government in Syria. They were created because we were supporting the wrong group of people. Not that either group was worth supporting. All of this happened during the Obama administration. Before you go pointing fingers at Bush for ISIS. You should actually know what you are talking about.
 
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What makes you think she's a fighter? What makes you think she can think on her feet? What makes you think she would survive a real debate with a real candidate going up against her?

Nuk brother she's no fighter. She has done NOTHING in her life, but as stupid as the mainstream is don't be shocked if she wins. Obama did it. This country is done.
 
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