Pretty sure it is, especially in the legal sense. How were you legally affected by this decision?
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Pretty sure it is, especially in the legal sense. How were you legally affected by this decision?
You do realize that you are paying taxes to support such activity, right? That is the main reason I oppose gay marriage, aside from the Biblical injunctions against homosexual behavior. Eliminate government-derived benefits of marriage, and the issue pretty much goes away except for opposition on moral grounds...
I now must pay taxes to support behavior that was outlawed for thousands of years before we became so enlightened. And, there is a corporate responsibility for legalizing something nationwide that has been outlawed for thousands of years. I could stick my head in the sand, but that won't be a good excuse when I'm called to account before a Holy and Just God.
You have been paying taxes your whole tax paying life for legal behavior which is unacceptable by New and/or Old Testament standards. Why the righteous indignation all of the sudden? I haven't seen you on a soapbox railing on the evils of the lottery, divorce (as Strum said), pornography, etc.
All you have to do is accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and confess your sins and repent. You are not required to be angry or judgmental about the gays.
But not to worry, loving gays doesn't mean you have to have sex with any of them.
Some gay widow will get part of my social security money which was not accounted for in the system and now social security will not be able to pay my entitled benefits. This among many other ways. At least I am done paying this tax this year which I know bugs the hell out of you.
Heaven forbid a gay widow get help. Your Christian compassion is truly a sight to behold.
ETA:Oh, and you have already cleared $118,500 for 2015 and you want me to feel sorry for you having to pay taxes? LMAO. Cry me a river, Louie.
Ok- you just send in a note to the IRS that you want all of your taxes designated to pay for straight people then. Make sure you tell em that you don't want to fund any Mooslims or Illegal type aliens.
And gays have always been allowed to marry- there is nothing in the Constitution which prohibits it- that't what the Supreme Court just ruled. In fact, the only ones being afflicted by tyranny were the people being denied their constitutional rights. Try to keep up Louie- maybe you should quit counting your shekels and pay more attention.
Or you could leave. No one is forcing you to stay, not even with a gun. With all the money you make you can buy an island or something and form the Republic of Angrywhitemalia.
Our Pastor sums it up really well.
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Bwahahahaha!!! So the US will be judged by God for legalizing ss marriage?!! I got news for u. The US has committed unfathomable atrocities against innocent people since day one of its existence. How about stealing the indians land and murdering them? How aboutSlavery? Dropping napalm on civilians in viet nam?!! So God has ignored all these indefensible acts but NOW he's gonna judge us for mLETTING GAYS MARRY EACH OTHER??!!!
That article insists that our society has been drifting fom God "for decades", and then proceeds to refer to one issue. Your list actually cost millions of innocent lives, but somehow we'll all pay big-time because people with similar genitals feel love for one another.
You have been paying taxes your whole tax paying life for legal behavior which is unacceptable by New and/or Old Testament standards. Why the righteous indignation all of the sudden? I haven't seen you on a soapbox railing on the evils of the lottery, divorce (as Strum said), pornography, etc.
All you have to do is accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and confess your sins and repent. You are not required to be angry or judgmental about the gays.
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True, but I wasn't in a position to oppose those things, water under the bridge. Similarly, I oppose abortion. There has been considerable success preventing tax dollars from being used to finance abortion on demand. So, there is reason to believe similar injunctions can be implemented to prevent tax dollars from being used to support the gay lifestyle.
But not to worry, loving gays doesn't mean you have to have sex with any of them.
See previous post by another poster concerning the difference between judgment and discernment. Big difference, and I've already stated it's not my place to judge, it's God's. So, we are in agreement.
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Of course there are many more issues out there than just gay marriage that are causing the USA to drift from God. But, this thread is about gay marriage. If you want to start a thread about one of those other issues, have at it. I'm sure it will get some participation...
Nuk- you are missing the boat here. Next up is that we want polygamy legalized. Then by the time incestuous marriage comes up, the population will agree to take marriage out of govt purview entirely (taxes, benefits, etc) which is what most of us agree should have happened in the first place.
I have a better idea. Why don't you leave.
I don't care if gays have civil unions and never have. Marriage is a different story. Also, nobody has even considered the impact of entitlement which is a friggan ponzi scheme to begin with. We just put the nail in coffin for that.
The supreme court did not uphold the constitution nor uphold anyone's "rights". 5 Judges basically wrote law, which is not what they are supposed to do. They used the rationale of "compassion" to do so. They usurped their role. Even if you support gay marriage, one has to be troubled at how the SCOTUS is acting these days. Liberals cheer it, but imagine if this were conservative activists on the bench.
Generally speaking Lou, the impetus to leave is on the one doing the whining. In this particular case, that would be you.
My position remains the same- the govt has no place in marriage. But if the people allow govt to assume a role, then it must be open to everyone. It's pretty simple really.
Nice find. Thanks for sharing @Raising Heel.
On a related note, since the feds have superseded the states in this call for banning of sam sex marriages, does this set precedent for all decisions. For example, can I now carry a concealed firearm in states that have traditionally not allowed such? If not, why? I'm not sure the SCOTUS thought this decision through. They will be challenged now by many cases that speak to differences in state laws. Will be interesting to see the repercussions from such a decision.
I've said for years that taxes should be "a la carte". Meaning, I get to designate my tax dollars to programs I support. Two things are accomplished by this - (1) people feel better about paying taxes and (2) we would truly find out what the people want to support. Of course the feds would have to put something in place that forces all tax payers to allocate at least some of their dollars to more costly federal programs. I mean, whereas I'd be in favor of not allocating any of my dollars toward entitlement programs, I know I'd not be the only one that felt that way. And I realize that the fallout from significantly cutting funding for those programs would be catastrophic. But I really do feel that people would feel better about paying their taxes if the feds could come up with an a la carte menu of sorts. Or just go fair tax and be done with it.
I agree. But what do you mean "if the people are going to allow it?" What can be done about this? There's no way the people can do anything about the fed's role in this until the tax code is rewritten and we know that's not going to happen. Too much to lose on both sides. We're just plain screwed. But yeah, stop recognizing marriage on the govt level and all of this goes away.
Try to stay focused pal ... this thread is about one thing in particular. Yes our church/Pastor feels the same way about the other horrible things that you mentioned - of course.
Legalized polygamy isn't beyond the realm of possibility, incest, etc... I totally agree with you about taking government completely out of marriage. Flat tax, fair tax, or a combination of the two...
Oh i'm focused. Focused on the absolute IDIOCY of the notion that god will judge a nation over ss marriage when he hasnt over murdering innocent millions in various manners for 200 years.
How about divorce? Why hasnt god judged the nation over sanctioning something jesus himself condemned? Why arent christians all over favebook condemning people who've been divorced? Oh yea!!! Cause thats a marriage sin that 50% of christians have committed! Lol! Typical churchy religous hypocrisy.
The church has ZERO credibility in condemning or judging a damn thing as well as trying to speak for God. Nevertheless the people who wouldnt know the periodic table from a picnic table trying to lecture on science and biology and astronomy. Thank you Jesus this isnt a christian theocracy.
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Some may try to do this, but this opinion won't apply to just anything. The Court found that marriage is a "fundamental right" that is protected by the 14th Amendment's protection of life, liberty, and property. More specifically, it held that the right to marry the person of your choice is so fundamental to an individual's being that it is a liberty interest guaranteed by the Constitution. The right to bear arms is similarly protected by the Constitution, so states cannot take that away, but the right to conceal them is not. Constitutional rights can still be regulated. They just can't be denied to specific classes of people without compelling reasons. In other words, states can have different laws; they just can't abridge fundamental rights.
"Isn't beyond the realm of possibility"? I would think at this point there is absolutely no argument against polygamy being legalized.
You obviously don't understand the Bible teaching on divorce .... it is allowed under adultery. Of course God (or any of us) would prefer to see a couple work things out but as Christians if our spouse breaks the vow and leaves the marriage then we're free to divorce and remarry or stay single ... not condoning it, just clarifying.
And yes, God will judge everyone of us one day for every sin we've committed - the difference is those of who have repented of these sins and place our faith in Him alone as our Savior. As I said earlier, it's not the sin itself that will send you to Hell, it's the lack of a relationship with Christ that will do it.
You act as if we're saying that God did not get upset with things until gay marriage came along, far from it ... but until Christ returns, the ultimate judgement will not occur. The Bible is very clear that things in this world were going to get much much worse over time .. we've seen that hold true over and over ... gay marriage is just another small step in that direction. I don't sit around and cry about it anymore than my Christian grandfather did 40 years ago when illegal drugs became an accepted part of our culture. It's just part of life ... we'll continue to pray for the lost, serve others before ourselves as much as possible and live a life of accountability to Him.
Yeah, I mean, the crux of the argument was a state could enact legislation against such a lifestyle choice.
Impetus to leave is not generally on anyone except the person who wants to leave. I whine about SC decisions, you whine about my income so using your logic you must pack your bags too.
I agree that the government should not be involved in marriage. If it were not for liberal socialists in our government, it would not be. Repeal the 16th amendment and that will solve more than half the problem, not rewriting thousands of years of what defines marriage.
"drugs" have been an accepted part of every culture since humans found out they could "catch a buzz" off of chewing leaves, drinking wine, eating, smoking, inhaling, or anything else. If you legalize them, then there's no issue. Human beings have and will always snort, smoke, swallow, inject, or roll around in whatever they think might get them high, or drunk, or stoned, or feeling good. None of these chemicals and substances are wrong, or bad for you, or even forbidden in a biblical sense. The only time any of them are any kind of a problem is when human beings ABUSE them and cannot control their usage. To me, that is where "sin" is found. Sin is when a person indulges in ANY behavior that they cannot control or maintain balance. Too much food, too much alcohol, too much sex, too much exercise, too much laziness, too much ANYTHING is when the behavior is a way out of control. The 10 Commandments and Golden Rule take care of the others.
My point was simply that I don't worry about the downward slide of our culture because it's been going on for years and will continue until Christ returns. I've heard many "old timers" talk about the 60's when drugs became mainstream ... the Christians then were alarmed but did not lose their minds because the same things happened throughout the Bible in cultures who ignored the Lord. That's where I stand on abortion, homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, etc etc ... it's all simply sin and becoming more and more accepted and excused, it's a "sign of the times."
And I disagree about the definition of "sin" ... again, because Christ called out sin hundreds of times in the New Testament and many of these had nothing to do with over-indulgence or loss of control.
10 4. My apologies to the board and Lou.
My point remains- anyone making $240k who whines about SS taxes is acting in a pathetic manner. I encourage everyone to earn as much as he or she can and I encourage those blessed with earnings in the top 2% to not whine like a petulant toddler about paying social security taxes, even if gay widows can draw benefits..
I won't get ANY social security when I'm 67...........but please, continue crying about you getting less of your share 
