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Planned Murder ...I mean Parenthood

I think "Planned Murder" should be defunded, but I doubt you will get the response you seek... you might get the obligatory 'Obama should prosecute the muckrakers who video-taped this "person"' or the '"person" was taken out of context,' or something similar...
 
The unedited version was bad enough and on its own depicted innappropriate and unprofessional behavior. Undortunately the heavily edited version was rolled out and the people showing it now have lost credibility and have damaged their cause.
 
Funny how when it comes to climate change, Republicans defer to the "I'm not a scientist" argument, yet they never mention the fact they aren't OBGYN's when their telling women what they can and cant do with their reproductive organs.

Funny how anti-government "conservatives" want the government telling individuals what they cant do with their own bodies.

Funny how people who want to deport homeless and hungry children try to call themselves "pro-life." Republicans are definitely pro-life, right up until the point where you're actually born. Then you're on your f%#@ing own
 
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There seem to be three points of contention here:

1) The issue of abortion
2) The issue of harvesting tissue/organs from aborted fetuses
3) The issue of profiting from tissue/organ harvesting

It certainly seems that #3 has been debunked based on the couple articles I've linked in this thread. People's opinion about #1 and #2 are probably consistent, if I had to guess.
 
The Republican Party is dying a slow death because of the abortion issue.

Fellow conservatives, LET. IT. GO. By all means, if you believe abortion is wrong, do not get one and encourage your friends and loved ones not to get one either. But don't let your vote hinge on the issue of abortion. There are 749215 more important issues/problems this nation is facing that are more important than abortion.

The Republican Party needs to stop placating to the so-called "religious right" and needs to de-emphasize its focus on the abortion issue. The government should not be in the business of legislating morality. It's sorta like the gay marriage thing.
 
I'm not against abortion because I'm a Republican, I'm against it because I'm a follower of Christ. So I'll no more "let it go" than I will homosexuality, murder, adultery, etc etc.
You're making my point for me. FTR, I'm against gay marriage and abortion as well, but religious objection =/= political objection.
 
The Republican Party is dying a slow death because of the abortion issue.

Fellow conservatives, LET. IT. GO. By all means, if you believe abortion is wrong, do not get one and encourage your friends and loved ones not to get one either. But don't let your vote hinge on the issue of abortion. There are 749215 more important issues/problems this nation is facing that are more important than abortion.

The Republican Party needs to stop placating to the so-called "religious right" and needs to de-emphasize its focus on the abortion issue. The government should not be in the business of legislating morality. It's sorta like the gay marriage thing.


As they say in China " Rotsa ruck " . . .

And you are correct, the republican party is slowly dying.
 
I'm not against abortion because I'm a Republican, I'm against it because I'm a follower of Christ. So I'll no more "let it go" than I will homosexuality, murder, adultery, etc etc.

There is no record I know of, of the supposed Jesus of Nazareth saying anything about homosexuality, and he certainly wouldn't have had an opinion about abortion considering they weren't happening at the time. And if you actually think that putting homosexuality or adultery on the same level of offense with murder is morally advisable then you're nuts

Fortunately there are plenty of people out there who wont allow delusional "adults" who still believe in fairy tales to dictate public policy. The sad thing is you fail to realize you're perfectly free to hold yourself to whatever religious codes you want, because of the protection of a secular constitution that ensures all religious activity in the United States is voluntary. But as well all know the religious fascists on the far right wont be content until the entire world lives their lives by the same morals they do, and that is the real problem here.
 
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Funny how when it comes to climate change, Republicans defer to the "I'm not a scientist" argument, yet they never mention the fact they aren't OBGYN's when their telling woman what they can and cant do with their reproductive organs.

Funny how anti-government "conservatives" want the government telling individuals what they cant do with their own bodies.

Funny how people who want to deport homeless and hungry children try to call themselves "pro-life." Republicans are definitely pro-life, right up until the point where you're actually born. Then you're on your f%#@ing own
Defer, deflect, obfuscate...
 
There is no record I know of, of the supposed Jesus of Nazareth saying anything about homosexuality, and he certainly wouldn't have had an opinion about abortion considering they weren't happening at the time. And if you actually think that putting homosexuality or adultery on the same level of offense with murder is morally advisable then you're nuts

Fortunately there are plenty of people out there who wont allow delusional "adults" who still believe in fairy tales to dictate public policy. The sad thing is you fail to realize you're perfectly free to hold yourself to whatever religious codes you want, because of the protection of a secular constitution that ensures all religious activity in the United States is voluntary. But as well all know the religious fascists on the far right wont be content until the entire world lives their lives by the same morals they do, and that is the real problem here.
The more you try to reference scripture, the more you prove you have not read it.
 
Why does someone's religious belief have to be belittled by calling it a fairy tale? You will not succeed in any hot topic view points by downing Christianity. If your convictions say its OK to abort fetuses then believe what you want. I don't agree with it simply because its destroying a life. If you see otherwise, then that's fine. Ultimately one side is going to be right in the end.
 
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I dont see religious ideas as some kind of taboo subject that makes them any less open to criticism than any other idea. Christianity and Islam are pretty much the mother load of bad ideas. That may not be a popular thing to say, particularly in this corner of the United States, but frankly, popularity has never been all that alluring to me anyways.

Now to the question of WHY these ideas have to be belittled, that's actually very simple. I don't have a problem with people who privately practice religion, I believe every human being should have the privilege of living their lives how they see fit, so long as they allow others to do the same. But that second part is what American evangelicals struggle so much with, and that's why their ideas must be criticized even to the point of belittling them. Because you felt the need to bring your religion to the public forum, and impose its injunctions on the rest of society.

I don't think its morally advisable to teach children that all they have to do is say a few magic words and they will receive vicarious redemption for all their transgressions in life, especially as the result of the torture and execution of human scapegoat. Or that they can live forever as the result of this vicarious redemption. I also don't find it to be ethical to make truth claims about the order of the universe that you cannot possibly know, then cite a 2,000 year old book written by desert tribesmen as evidence. I don't find it morally advisable to reduce women to the position of chattel which the Bible most certainly does. I certainly don't think that teaching homosexuality, a form of love, not just a form of sex, is a mortal sin and punishable by death is morally advisable either. What other morally inadvisable behavior does the Bible hold in store for the careful reader who doesn't start doe-eyed at the pretty parts? Injunctions directly from God for Moses to murder entire tribes down to the virgin girls, who we're saved as the spoils of war. Don't forget the part about your loving creator murdering not only every human being save two, but every animal alike. The second of whom would lack the consciousness to make decisions and therefore could not justifiably be punished. Claiming the Bible is infallible and moral is insane, and a statement deserving of being belittled. The Bible is full of moral fallacies, accept it and move on.

The simple fact that religious people cannot seem to comprehend is that somebody just made it all up. Then more people just kept changing and rewriting time after time. Just like the 2,000+ other religions that have come and gone just like the current ones will. So when you argue that abortion should be illegal because the Bible said so, all you're essentially saying is, "because some other guy said so." Which is kind of a silly thing for a reasoning adult to say, especially when the same people decided that if a woman has sex before she's married she should be stoned to death on her father's door step...

/rant. believe me I have more.
 
** Let me start this post by saying I'm completely ignoring the Louigi / uncboy10 / Nuk'em religious spat. AIn't no one got time for that. Now I'll continue **

I think you're onto something. Republicans have run moderates in the last two elections, but alienated independent voters due to this pandering that begins in the primaries and continues until election day.
The GOP, IMO, encompasses a more diverse array of opinions, beliefs, and wants than the Democratic Party does. That may sound counter-intuitive, but I don't see it that way.

Liberals more or less fall into this general political ideology: Fiscally liberal (higher taxes, more government aid), desire bigger and more regulatory government, socially liberal (live and let live / equality for all / amnesty / open borders / no church-inspired legislation should remain or come into being). Yes, the occasional liberal differs on one aspect of what I've outlined above but basically that sorta encapsulates all liberals (registered Dem's, not independents).

Conservatives do not fit so nicely in to a characterization. You've got socially-conscious conservatives who place the most emphasis (i.e. base their vote on) on social issues, usually ones that involve a religious tinge or connotation: gay marriage/gay rights, abortion and federal funding for it, marijuana legalization and other 'sin' items like gambling and alcohol. These voters will back extremely un-electable candidates because of said candidate's stance on one of these issues. Then you've got fiscally-conscious conservatives who -- essentially -- don't care about the social issues outlined above, OR are socially liberal. These conservatives desire nothing more than a candidate who will be fiscally conservative (lower taxes, less government regulation and spending, etc.).

So basically, the GOP doesn't know how to unite this 'Old Guard' and 'New Guard,' if you will. In the party's defense, its constituents haven't exactly been willing to make compromises. You've got an old school segment of conservative voters who steadfastly hold on to religious-inspired views on issues like abortion, which is noble and fine, but problematic when they place these issues at the top of their list of what sways their vote. Then you've got the new school segment (call them millennials or 'more enlightened' or whatever BS label you want) who is just as fiscally conservative but either is much more socially progressive than the 'Old Guard,' OR recognizes the importance of shoving social issues down the totem pole of importance in order to elect a candidate that will fix the economy / government spending. One thing that does seem to unite all conservatives is border security.

Like I've said in this thread and many other threads, WITHIN A POLITICAL FRAMEWORK, conservatives need to minimize their desire to back the candidate who most staunchly opposes abortion, wants to repeal gay marriage, etc etc. Let these beliefs guide you in your personal life and in your family life, but not in your political decision-making -- don't throw your vote away backing a candidate that's so right-wing socially that he's not electable. But it doesn't seem like people are willing to do that; therefore, the GOP is ****ed and we will all be speaking Spanish in 20 years while collecting our meager government checks.
 
** Let me start this post by saying I'm completely ignoring the Louigi / uncboy10 / Nuk'em religious spat. AIn't no one got time for that. Now I'll continue **


The GOP, IMO, encompasses a more diverse array of opinions, beliefs, and wants than the Democratic Party does. That may sound counter-intuitive, but I don't see it that way.

Liberals more or less fall into this general political ideology: Fiscally liberal (higher taxes, more government aid), desire bigger and more regulatory government, socially liberal (live and let live / equality for all / amnesty / open borders / no church-inspired legislation should remain or come into being). Yes, the occasional liberal differs on one aspect of what I've outlined above but basically that sorta encapsulates all liberals (registered Dem's, not independents).

Conservatives do not fit so nicely in to a characterization. You've got socially-conscious conservatives who place the most emphasis (i.e. base their vote on) on social issues, usually ones that involve a religious tinge or connotation: gay marriage/gay rights, abortion and federal funding for it, marijuana legalization and other 'sin' items like gambling and alcohol. These voters will back extremely un-electable candidates because of said candidate's stance on one of these issues. Then you've got fiscally-conscious conservatives who -- essentially -- don't care about the social issues outlined above, OR are socially liberal. These conservatives desire nothing more than a candidate who will be fiscally conservative (lower taxes, less government regulation and spending, etc.).

So basically, the GOP doesn't know how to unite this 'Old Guard' and 'New Guard,' if you will. In the party's defense, its constituents haven't exactly been willing to make compromises. You've got an old school segment of conservative voters who steadfastly hold on to religious-inspired views on issues like abortion, which is noble and fine, but problematic when they place these issues at the top of their list of what sways their vote. Then you've got the new school segment (call them millennials or 'more enlightened' or whatever BS label you want) who is just as fiscally conservative but either is much more socially progressive than the 'Old Guard,' OR recognizes the importance of shoving social issues down the totem pole of importance in order to elect a candidate that will fix the economy / government spending. One thing that does seem to unite all conservatives is border security.

Like I've said in this thread and many other threads, WITHIN A POLITICAL FRAMEWORK, conservatives need to minimize their desire to back the candidate who most staunchly opposes abortion, wants to repeal gay marriage, etc etc. Let these beliefs guide you in your personal life and in your family life, but not in your political decision-making -- don't throw your vote away backing a candidate that's so right-wing socially that he's not electable. But it doesn't seem like people are willing to do that; therefore, the GOP is ****ed and we will all be speaking Spanish in 20 years while collecting our meager government checks.
I agree
 
I think you're onto something. Republicans have run moderates in the last two elections, but alienated independent voters due to this pandering that begins in the primaries and continues until election day.

Maybe moderates are losing because they're...moderate. The religious right is a very large and powerful sect. I know first hand because I live 8 miles from Liberty University. The argument could be made that the GOP is losing because they're drifting away from the conservative values that many GOPers and of course the religious right subscribe to. In other words, republican voters aren't voting because they don't feel they have a candidate that runs on their preferred platform. I don't know the numbers though. I'm just speculating. But it seems we live in a world of extremes. Look at the dems - they're as far left as I can ever remember.

But me, I agree with @TarHeelNation11's post - I personally think the GOP needs to leave the social issues at the door. Not because I necessarily agree. But only because that's their only hope at winning. Our society is going more and more liberal. And at this point, I don't think we can change it. The momentum is too strong in that direction. Sad but true. So the only thing that can be done as I see it is to slow the momentum or divert the giant snowball that's rolling down the hill. The culture has been created by the liberals (with the media clearly in the tank) to castigate those with traditional values and paint them as evil people. Young liberals are too naive to understand the larger ramifications from supporting the dem platform and older liberals are too set in their ways to go away from the dems.

The dems knew that if they could tear down Christianity, they could severely cripple the GOP. It has worked. With the way we kow tow to people of other religions and Obama excusing radical Islam with comparisons to Christians' past and atheism on the rise, the GOP needs reboot. I don't necessarily like the homosexual lifestyle. I don't necessarily like irresponsible folks using abortions as birth control. But I am loathe to social welfare programs that perpetuate ineptitude and think if we continue down this road, the only answer at some point will be socialism or simply letting millions die. The latter would never happen. So the former will be the route we have to go. So going back to my first paragraph here, we need a GOP candidate that is basically an independent that (1) supports capitalism and cuts govt programs and spending, (2)backs the military and (3)leaves most social issues to the states or for people to choose. It's the only hope the GOP now has and it's that way forever - or until something awful happens that's a product of the culture liberals have created.


yeah, yeah, yeah, tl;dr
 
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** Let me start this post by saying I'm completely ignoring the Louigi / uncboy10 / Nuk'em religious spat. AIn't no one got time for that. Now I'll continue **


The GOP, IMO, encompasses a more diverse array of opinions, beliefs, and wants than the Democratic Party does. That may sound counter-intuitive, but I don't see it that way.

Liberals more or less fall into this general political ideology: Fiscally liberal (higher taxes, more government aid), desire bigger and more regulatory government, socially liberal (live and let live / equality for all / amnesty / open borders / no church-inspired legislation should remain or come into being). Yes, the occasional liberal differs on one aspect of what I've outlined above but basically that sorta encapsulates all liberals (registered Dem's, not independents).

Conservatives do not fit so nicely in to a characterization. You've got socially-conscious conservatives who place the most emphasis (i.e. base their vote on) on social issues, usually ones that involve a religious tinge or connotation: gay marriage/gay rights, abortion and federal funding for it, marijuana legalization and other 'sin' items like gambling and alcohol. These voters will back extremely un-electable candidates because of said candidate's stance on one of these issues. Then you've got fiscally-conscious conservatives who -- essentially -- don't care about the social issues outlined above, OR are socially liberal. These conservatives desire nothing more than a candidate who will be fiscally conservative (lower taxes, less government regulation and spending, etc.).

So basically, the GOP doesn't know how to unite this 'Old Guard' and 'New Guard,' if you will. In the party's defense, its constituents haven't exactly been willing to make compromises. You've got an old school segment of conservative voters who steadfastly hold on to religious-inspired views on issues like abortion, which is noble and fine, but problematic when they place these issues at the top of their list of what sways their vote. Then you've got the new school segment (call them millennials or 'more enlightened' or whatever BS label you want) who is just as fiscally conservative but either is much more socially progressive than the 'Old Guard,' OR recognizes the importance of shoving social issues down the totem pole of importance in order to elect a candidate that will fix the economy / government spending. One thing that does seem to unite all conservatives is border security.

Like I've said in this thread and many other threads, WITHIN A POLITICAL FRAMEWORK, conservatives need to minimize their desire to back the candidate who most staunchly opposes abortion, wants to repeal gay marriage, etc etc. Let these beliefs guide you in your personal life and in your family life, but not in your political decision-making -- don't throw your vote away backing a candidate that's so right-wing socially that he's not electable. But it doesn't seem like people are willing to do that; therefore, the GOP is ****ed and we will all be speaking Spanish in 20 years while collecting our meager government checks.
Well done!
 
There is no religious spat. There are folks on here who suscribe to the John Lennon "Imagine" belief system. These folks think they're so much smarter than anyone religious. They think they are experts on scripture because they can look up stuff on the internet, yet they have never read the Canon text of the Bible, or Koran.

So they must attack any religious beliefs system to make their world order fit.

Then there are those who want to completely remove core judeo-christian tenants from politics, which can never be done. These folks refuse to pick a side and much like someone pulling for the officials in a football game.

How killing viable and defenseless unborn babies turned political is beyond me. One would think this would be an issue we all could agree upon. Then I remember Jesus stating that Satan is the father of lies.
 
I dont see religious ideas as some kind of taboo subject that makes them any less open to criticism than any other idea. Christianity and Islam are pretty much the mother load of bad ideas. That may not be a popular thing to say, particularly in this corner of the United States, but frankly, popularity has never been all that alluring to me anyways.

Now to the question of WHY these ideas have to be belittled, that's actually very simple. I don't have a problem with people who privately practice religion, I believe every human being should have the privilege of living their lives how they see fit, so long as they allow others to do the same. But that second part is what American evangelicals struggle so much with, and that's why their ideas must be criticized even to the point of belittling them. Because you felt the need to bring your religion to the public forum, and impose its injunctions on the rest of society.

I don't think its morally advisable to teach children that all they have to do is say a few magic words and they will receive vicarious redemption for all their transgressions in life, especially as the result of the torture and execution of human scapegoat. Or that they can live forever as the result of this vicarious redemption. I also don't find it to be ethical to make truth claims about the order of the universe that you cannot possibly know, then cite a 2,000 year old book written by desert tribesmen as evidence. I don't find it morally advisable to reduce women to the position of chattel which the Bible most certainly does. I certainly don't think that teaching homosexuality, a form of love, not just a form of sex, is a mortal sin and punishable by death is morally advisable either. What other morally inadvisable behavior does the Bible hold in store for the careful reader who doesn't start doe-eyed at the pretty parts? Injunctions directly from God for Moses to murder entire tribes down to the virgin girls, who we're saved as the spoils of war. Don't forget the part about your loving creator murdering not only every human being save two, but every animal alike. The second of whom would lack the consciousness to make decisions and therefore could not justifiably be punished. Claiming the Bible is infallible and moral is insane, and a statement deserving of being belittled. The Bible is full of moral fallacies, accept it and move on.

The simple fact that religious people cannot seem to comprehend is that somebody just made it all up. Then more people just kept changing and rewriting time after time. Just like the 2,000+ other religions that have come and gone just like the current ones will. So when you argue that abortion should be illegal because the Bible said so, all you're essentially saying is, "because some other guy said so." Which is kind of a silly thing for a reasoning adult to say, especially when the same people decided that if a woman has sex before she's married she should be stoned to death on her father's door step...

/rant. believe me I have more.
Are you arguing that Judeo-Christian morality was never codified in colonial, then state and/or federal law?!?!
 
There is no record I know of, of the supposed Jesus of Nazareth saying anything about homosexuality, and he certainly wouldn't have had an opinion about abortion considering they weren't happening at the time. And if you actually think that putting homosexuality or adultery on the same level of offense with murder is morally advisable then you're nuts

Fortunately there are plenty of people out there who wont allow delusional "adults" who still believe in fairy tales to dictate public policy. The sad thing is you fail to realize you're perfectly free to hold yourself to whatever religious codes you want, because of the protection of a secular constitution that ensures all religious activity in the United States is voluntary. But as well all know the religious fascists on the far right wont be content until the entire world lives their lives by the same morals they do, and that is the real problem here.
You're wrong. Pagan religions that occupied Israel before the Jews settled the "Promised Land" sacrificed babies on their pagan alters. Not dissimilar to abortion, in general. We are rapidly becoming a very primitive, pagan society and nation. Birth pangs getting more and more rapid. Stand by.
 
Maybe moderates are losing because they're...moderate. The religious right is a very large and powerful sect. I know first hand because I live 8 miles from Liberty University. The argument could be made that the GOP is losing because they're drifting away from the conservative values that many GOPers and of course the religious right subscribe to. In other words, republican voters aren't voting because they don't feel they have a candidate that runs on their preferred platform. I don't know the numbers though. I'm just speculating. But it seems we live in a world of extremes. Look at the dems - they're as far left as I can ever remember.

But me, I agree with @TarHeelNation11's post - I personally think the GOP needs to leave the social issues at the door. Not because I necessarily agree. But only because that's their only hope at winning. Our society is going more and more liberal. And at this point, I don't think we can change it. The momentum is too strong in that direction. Sad but true. So the only thing that can be done as I see it is to slow the momentum or divert the giant snowball that's rolling down the hill. The culture has been created by the liberals (with the media clearly in the tank) to castigate those with traditional values and paint them as evil people. Young liberals are too naive to understand the larger ramifications from supporting the dem platform and older liberals are too set in their ways to go away from the dems.

The dems knew that if they could tear down Christianity, they could severely cripple the GOP. It has worked. With the way we kow tow to people of other religions and Obama excusing radical Islam with comparisons to Christians' past and atheism on the rise, the GOP needs reboot. I don't necessarily like the homosexual lifestyle. I don't necessarily like irresponsible folks using abortions as birth control. But I am loathe to social welfare programs that perpetuate ineptitude and think if we continue down this road, the only answer at some point will be socialism or simply letting millions die. The latter would never happen. So the former will be the route we have to go. So going back to my first paragraph here, we need a GOP candidate that is basically an independent that (1) supports capitalism and cuts govt programs and spending, (2)backs the military and (3)leaves most social issues to the states or for people to choose. It's the only hope the GOP now has and it's that way forever - or until something awful happens that's a product of the culture liberals have created.


yeah, yeah, yeah, tl;dr
All of this is true, and I think the farther we as a nation fall away from Biblical principles, the worse things will get. It has all been foretold in the Bible, and we are seeing prophecy come true right before our eyes.
 
Well done!
There is a vast multitude of babies that have literally been beheaded in the womb as the abortion procedure has been performed... They are innocent and blameless before the Lord with a strong testimony regarding the faithfulness of God, and...

Revelation 6
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar of God the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been.
 
There is a vast multitude of babies that have literally been beheaded in the womb as the abortion procedure has been performed... They are innocent and blameless before the Lord with a strong testimony regarding the faithfulness of God, and...

Revelation 6
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar of God the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been.
So, your interpretation of Revelation 6 is that the "souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained" are these fetuses/babies being aborted?
 
So, your interpretation of Revelation 6 is that the "souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained" are these fetuses/babies being aborted?
Yes, they are part of this group. They are innocent and blameless before the Lord. The lives of these babies beheaded in the womb matter to God just as much as Christians that are being beheaded by ISIS in Libya, Syria and Iraq because of their testimony and the Word of God. God will avenge their blood that cries out from the dumpsters, trash cans, and research labs, just as righteous Abel's blood cried out from the earth when he was murdered by Cain...
 
If you seriously think a decrease of Biblical morality is making our society more primitive, you're legitimately insane.
 
I'm a Christian but I see things a little differently than some others. I don't vote based on social issues at all and I certainly don't vote based on my faith. I find that entire concept preposterous since neither side has any morals worth believing in and certainly don't fall in line with what Jesus would roll with. If anything, being a Christian has made me dislike both sides more than I already did (or would have). I completely agree with what some others are saying on here about what the right needs to do though. I also think it could possibly make things better if they would do this as it would provide a stronger party to oppose the left, which is probably going to just continue to win because of the silly social issues that drive politics today. Most of the issues that get people out there voting are the least important issues people should consider IMO.
 
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Would you agree that 50 years ago, our society was a more "Biblically moral" society?

Our society was certainly more Christian in the sense that there are more people that identify as non-religious or atheist now than there were 50 years ago. I would assume then that Judeo-Christian morality played a greater role in society then.

The difference between secularist and theists is that we're perfectly willing to have the discussion. I don't claim to already have the answer because I found in an old book that I swear up and down is the infallible word of god. It's a tough moral dilemma. The abortion of a fetus is not a pleasant thought, but neither is the government having the power to tell women what they cant do with their own bodies. & there are certainly situations where a woman shouldn't be force to carry a child to term, such as pregnancies that put the mother's life at risk, and pregnancies as the result of rape. Selling the body parts of aborted fetuses is certainly disgusting though.

One thing I find amusing about sexual morality is that the areas of the country where Christian religiosity is the highest, teenage pregnancies are also the highest. Must be a coincidence though right?...
 
One thing I find amusing about sexual morality is that the areas of the country where Christian religiosity is the highest, teenage pregnancies are also the highest. Must be a coincidence though right?...
You're reaching bud. Has much more to do with the socioeconomics of said area, but I think you already knew that.

Newsflash, the South is poor!
 
One thing I find amusing about sexual morality is that the areas of the country where Christian religiosity is the highest, teenage pregnancies are also the highest. Must be a coincidence though right?...
This is amusing only because you have false assumption that all Christians think of themselves as perfect. When it is actually the opposite.

As one grows closer to God, the temption of sin is greater. All Christians are sinful in many ways, including myself especially. That is why we have a God given conscience that helps us know right from wrong. That conscience can become dulled when we ignore God and sucomb to secular sinfull behavior. Satan loves to tempt those who are growing closer to God.
 
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