2009 UNC greater than 2015 UK: if there was ever any doubt...
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Duh. I dont think anyone will ever go through the tournament beating every team by 12 or more like we did
I think if they played each other it would be a really good game and a 7 game series that goes 7 games.
Kentucky is more gifted in the frontcourt.
I'd take our backcourt.
I'd take Kentucky's bench.
In game coaching probably not significant enough to impact the game too much.
Kentucky is more gifted in the frontcourt.
I'd take our backcourt.
I'd take Kentucky's bench.
In game coaching probably not significant enough to impact the game too much.
I can never tell if you lack any true basketball knowledge or if youre trolling. If youre taking Towns, WCS and Dakari over Zeller, Deon, Ed Davis and arguably the best college player of all time in Hansbrough you are insane. Thats also 3 lottery picks btw. And Lawson and Ellington would destroy the Harrison twins
I think Hansbrough would struggle against WCS and his size. I think Thompson/Davis/Zeller (freshman yr Zeller) vs Towns/Dakari/Marcus Lee is probably a wash, but between those 6, Towns is the best player. The sheer numbers that UK can throw up front, to me, gives them the edge.
Sure Lawson and Ellington get the better of Harrisons but UK can also throw Ulis, Booker....
I think we're better from the 3pt line and the FT line and that probably gives us a slight edge, but I don't think it's a destruction like some think.
Lol okay and we can throw a senior in Danny Green and Frasor who was an All American in High School also and LD2. Obviously Drew was over his head as a starter but he was decent as a backup. And Ed Davis was a projected top 5 pick after his freshman season he was just as good as Towns
Hansbrough vs WCS - Tyler struggles against size... Personally think this is a tough match up for him.
Towns vs Thompson - Towns significantly
Green vs Lyles - Probably Green, but tough match up for both.
Ellington vs Harrison - Ellington
Lawson vs Harrison - Lawson
Ulis vs LD2 - IMO Ulis is a starting caliber PG for this year's Kentucky team. LD2 isn't.
Devin Booker vs Frasor - Booker significant
Marcus Lee/Dakari vs Davis/Zeller - I'm biased towards 7 footers. IMO a wash. Dakari's per 40 minute numbers are as impressive as any bench player in the country.
If the 2 teams played, I think UK's front court would give ours a really difficult time. We're relying on 6'8" guys to score over 7 footers that are significantly more gifted athletically. Our guards are probably the difference, but I think it's competitive. We wouldn't score 95 against UK like we did against everyone in 2009.
I agree with the broad strokes...however,
Tyler had great games against Shelden Williams who was a two time DPOY, I remember him playing well against Taj Gibson, Kosta Koufos, Roy Hibbert in the elite 8, he was a problem for all of them...some guys are better college players than pros, I think you have your NBA glasses on a lot when thinking back to these matchups. Definitely a tough matchup for Tyler but I think he definitely gets his own, he almost always did. I think you're underestimating what a tremendous scorer and how consistent he was at the collegiate level. 4th all time in tournament scoring, 12th in NCAA and 1st in the ACC, it's a wash at best and that is being nice to UK. WCS great defensive player, maybe the best but not much on O at all. Tyler got his against Shelden who was a great defender at the collegiate level.
Towns over Thomspon, agreed but Thompson was a senior and the guy was not a liability.
Ed Davis had 6.7 point and 6.6 rebounds in 19 minutes, Dakari has 6.7 and 4.8., that's as close to a wash as it gets with Ed having the rebounding advantage and Dakari the points by slight margins. Ed had nearly twice as many blocks as Dakari did and Ed was touted as a top 10, maybe even top 5 pick his frosh season...there was a reason behind that, the kid was ultra efficient. Dakari could not stay with Ed IMO, there is a reason Dakari is not a top pro prospect and his potential/athleticism is not on the same level and that seems to be your criteria for giving the edge to UK in some of these categories.
LD 2 and Frasor, you're correct, although they wouldn't seem many minutes in a must win game.
Largest edge here is guard play, it's where the talent discrepancy is the largest. Ty Lawson had one of the greatest seasons a PG will ever have at the collegiate level...16.6 6.6, 53.2% from the field and 47% from 3. Danny shot 42% from 3, so did Wayne and all 3 were great FT shooters. The discrepancy at the 1-3 is too great, even for that frontcourt.
Ultimately I think Ed is as good as Dakari, Lee or both. I also think Tyler gets his but I agree with your other matchups. I think that a senior Green gives Lyles all kinds of problems with the speed mismatch and ultimately our guards were much much better than the twins. We could also get hot from outside if our bigs weren't going well and UK really just has Booker there while we had 3 guys who were pretty close to elite from the 3 point line.
Also, with Ty healthy we did not have anyone hold the lead against us in the tournament for any extended period and we pretty much steamrolled everyone. Our closest game was an OU team that we beat by 12, featuring Griffin, Warren and a pretty talented college roster.
The 2009 Tar Heels and 2007 Gators beat this 2015 Kentucky team more times than they lose. No doubt in my mind
People acting like Hansbrough wouldn't eat this front line alive are not serious. Hansbrough was the man in college. Hell, he might have had the entire front court fouled out by the end.
To me, the main thing this UK team seems to lack is a consistent toughness and killer instinct .. they seem very passive much of the time but overcome it with sheer talent - that may catch up to them vs Wisconsin.
And if the 2015 Tar Heels had 50% of the toughness that the 2009 team had, they'd be playing next weekend.
And if the 2015 Tar Heels had 50% of the toughness that the 2009 team had, they'd be playing next weekend.
People are giving this UK team too much credit as being one of the greatest of all-time, just because they're unbeaten. College basketball is not what it has been in year's past and if they played in almost any other major conference, they would of had a few losses. The SEC is horrible. Really, I don't think they are even the best UK squad since the turn of the century. The 2012 squad was ridiculously talented. There are probably three to four teams from the last 15 years I would put ahead of them now.
Yeah the '09 team cruised a little at times but the ACC had 4-5 top 25 teams that year and we lost a few close ones and that ACC tourny game when Tu was out. However, that team could just push that button when they wante to as we saw in the tournament. Honestly lookin back on 2009...the tournament is always stressful but that team didn't give us much to worry about, other than Ty's toe.
There was a few minutes versus LSU, when they pushed out to a small lead in the 2nd half, but other than that the 2009 team just owned it.
That UK team with Wall, Bledsoe and Cousins would eat this team alive. Same with Anthony Davis's team
True. This isn't even the best UK team of the past 5 years.
Regarding a matchup between our 09 team and this year's UK team, a lot would depend on how the game was called. In addition to the way the game was officiated, the other big separator here is Lawson. There's just no way whatsoever that any guard for UK could slow Lawson down. He would abuse the twins with speed and he would abuse Ulis with strength. If 50 gets the calls he always got and UK couldn't figure a way to slow Lawson, UNC wins 7 out of 10 times.
Yep
How many points did Auguste score against UK? And how many 6-8 or taller players did Auguste have helping him go against the invincible UK giants?
And remind yourself that you are talking about Auguste scxoring on UK - not the leading scorer and rebounder in ND history.
Anybody who thinks that Hans could not have more than held his own vs. this UK front line is a fool.
I think people are overlooking how DEEP, LONG, and TALL this Kentucky team is. They won't get worn out by Carolina's full court, running offense of '09 like most teams did. I think this Kentucky team as a whole is better simply because most times they play, it's 10 vs 5, that rotation is like nothing I've ever seen before, their bench could be a #1 seed in most college basketball seasons
You're right about the depth but I don't think this UK team could OUTSCORE that UNC team .. they were a WELL OILED MACHINE. UNC would go 7 deep and score 85 points with ease. This UK team is offensively limited, as the statistics validate.
Depth is important but a really overrated factor. Only 5 guys play at a time and only 7 or 8 can truly make a signkficant impact. Plus with all the media timeouts etc fatigue isnt really a factor either. UK's depth isnt keeping Lawson from blowing past them in transition
This thread made me want to go watch highlights from that 2009 team. Man, do I miss that group. They were a mostrosity of a basketball team.
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And to participate in this thread, the 2012 Heels with a healthy Kendall Marshall would beat this UK team, so yes, the 2009 Heels would dominate this UK team.
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You surely must be correct. This UK is so big, nobody could hanlde it. Porr little ND, with a no-name recruit 6-10 C, whose backup is a 6-5 (repeat: a 6-5 #2 C), little ND with a 6-5 G playing BF (and leads his team in rebounding at only 6-5), an ND team that plays only 7 per game -
Such a short team with no depth: bet all you own that UK will win by at least 15 without breaking a sweat.
The only advantage that the 2009 has over the 2015 UK squad is Ty Lawson, but that is a huge advantage. Lawson was and still is a fast break waiting to happen, plus he was a great 3 point shooter that year. I think this years UK squad could do a decent job against everyone else but Lawson would push the 09 squad over the top more times than not and I'm a UK fan.
I see the same problem with Kentucky's 2010 team as well. No way the twins could stay in front of Wall and Cousins would just be way too big and strong for WCS and KAT. And Bledsoe was a whole other animal in his own right too. Same with Patterson. Along with our 2012 team I would argue 2010 UK is the best team since 2000 to not make a Final Four
The Johnson over Davis quip never made sense to me, amongst other portions of the player matchups. That vaunted frontcourt just combined for 18 points, total. Our guys scored 27 against Wisky, with an injured Meeks. But of course a senior Hansbrough, Thompson, Davis and Zeller would've put up 18 or less....come on man.
UK hasn't shown nowhere near the dominance Psycho T and the boys showed in 09.Even though I was expecting UK to win it all,the way they have been playing except against a very weak WVU team,I have not been impressed at all.Wisky showed me how tough they are with their comeback win over us.
Highlighted the important part. It's been proven that guard play wins in March. That's all that needs to be said here.
