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Quick question..is this the first year ever that unc struck out on every single recruit we went after?..we had over 10+ offers on the table and everyone said no!!..I know Brown is still an option,but most feel he's headed elsewhere...kenny williams already told us no once..chances of #2 is very strong!!..I just can't recall this ever happening..I know we got maye,but he isn't even coming in on a scholarship...I can't even remember us offering him..This has got to be a first..right?
 
Step away from the ledge. BI is gonna be a really good player and obviously would have made UNC a lot better than we will already be...but remember: Team Chemestry > Collection of individual talents.

UNC will be just fine. They were already projected to be top 5 with or without BI.
 
AND get the dern NCAA out of town!
I don't post a lot but I read every day,.Im just glad im still a unc fan. and not a dook nerd. the ncaa is just wasting time to hurt us and our recruiting. This lull on the ncaa part is intentional in my belief. dook can have ingram and he went there after k got thornton to reclassify and k s threats of unc sanctions. That's the k way. but u still have to play the games !! and we will be fine!!! Go Heels!!
 
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The NCAA is very smart. Their plan is to hold off notifying UNC of the NOA until after the signing period.

I'll take this starting line-up and walk into the Final Four:

Berry
Paige
Jackson
Brice
Meeks

Berry and Paige will be the BEST backcourt in the country. The trio of Brice, Meeks and Jackson will be in the top 5 front court. Duke will be good, but the Heels will be better.
 
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Step away from the ledge. BI is gonna be a really good player and obviously would have made UNC a lot better than we will already be...but remember: Team Chemestry > Collection of individual talents.

UNC will be just fine. They were already projected to be top 5 with or without BI.

Tell that to Wisconsin.
 
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The NCAA is very smart. Their plan is to hold off notifying UNC of the NOA until after the signing period.

I'll take this starting line-up and walk into the Final Four:

Berry
Paige
Jackson
Brice
Meeks

Berry and Paige will be the BEST backcourt in the country. The trio of Brice, Meeks and Jackson will be in the top 5 front court. Duke will be good, but the Heels will be better.
Don't forget about Hicks...
 
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Eh, his best days will be long after he has left Duke IMO. He'll help them though. It won't be enough to be better than us. To be honest, simply for next year, Williams is the best fit. Now, for branding purposes or whatever I think Ingram would have been the bigger 'get'. Regardless, he was a DUKE fan. It is no surprise to me he went there.
 
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BI is obviously a liar. he said he would have committed to us in Nov if not for the sanctions cloud. He later said he believed what Roy was telling him. Now, unless Roy told him we were gonna get popped, BI told Roy and all of UNC a lie.

Here is how I see it. UNC probably isnt gonna get hit for a few more years with any sanctions, if any at all. BI is a OAD. How could he base his decision on the NCAA cloud when he wouldnt have been around to see or feel the consequences.

BI is trash to me.
 
Jaylen Brown cuts UCLA and both his hometown schools Georgia and Georgia Tech. probably wont get him but it makes me wonder.. if kids are scared of the potential sanctions, why do we seem to make most kids final cut?
 
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Back to the OP:

Quick question..is this the first year ever that unc struck out on every single recruit we went after?..

Don't know if it's the first year or one of the very rare occasions. What also hurts is that it comes on the back of a few misses in recent years: McGary, Randle, Wiggins, Vaughn, Skal, Zimmerman, etc.

There's two reasons from the view here in the cheap seats:
1. The "Scandal" and threat of sanctions
2. Playing time - relating to a crowded roster and Roy's preference for upperclassmen (real or perceived)

IMHO PT is a much bigger reason than any other. Modern top 10 talent wants to start and I don't think Roy could have guaranteed BI a starting role. I reckon he knew in November when Jackson was there for tip-off and he certainly would have known it when Jackson confirmed his return to play as a soph.
 
Because, in spite of the naysayers, we are STILL CAROLINA!
Mike. unfortuanately a lot of unc fans dont just get it?? until the storm ends we will be fortunate to get the players we really want. But unc fans must unite and cause the ncaa storm to be ineffective. The unc fans are the cure! jmo
 
I will take what we have next year no matter what. Kids really don't care about national championships any more. They are all about themselves. Sorry, I have coached for years and they don't want to win. It's me, me, me! Will say this now, I HATE dook, but if they win it next year I will switch teams. Not worried at all, tarheel born and will be tarheel dead.
 
If this Ingram thing don't put a chip on the 15/16 teams shoulder then they have no business on a basketball court.
 
If this Ingram thing don't put a chip on the 15/16 teams shoulder then they have no business on a basketball court.

Why would UNC not getting Ingram put a Chip on the current players' shoulders? I'm sure they were interested in whether Ingram was coming, but why would they go out and be more fired up that he didn't say yes to Roy?

They should be fired up to win regardless of Ingram.
 
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Don't know if it's the first year or one of the very rare occasions. What also hurts is that it comes on the back of a few misses in recent years: McGary, Randle, Wiggins, Vaughn, Skal, Zimmerman, etc.

There's two reasons from the view here in the cheap seats:
1. The "Scandal" and threat of sanctions
2. Playing time - relating to a crowded roster and Roy's preference for upperclassmen (real or perceived)

IMHO PT is a much bigger reason than any other. Modern top 10 talent wants to start and I don't think Roy could have guaranteed BI a starting role. I reckon he knew in November when Jackson was there for tip-off and he certainly would have known it when Jackson confirmed his return to play as a soph.

I don't understand why this is so hard for folks to accept, the recruiting is off for 2 major reasons, as Oz offers one of them is PT as it applies to this particular cycle, there just was not a lot of projected PT for these kids that think themselves one & done. WE are solid 2 deep at every position with the exception of the center position and we look strong in the recruiting area for that position in 2016.

While the NCAA stuff is widely discussed and now discussed to the point that the discussion is driving perception more than reality, the reality is no one really believes UNC basketball is going to get hammerred by the NCAA. Folk (UNC fans) look at what happened to Syracuse and because things have not gone well for us lately automatically assume the worse will happen, they assume Syracuse got hammered so we will as well, no maatter the circumstances are VERY different. The NCAA stuff is more a minor issue than major, there is another probllem that fewer want to discuss and fewer still want to even consider.

That "other" problem is the very real perception that UNC is just not the gretest place for a one & done level talent to play, that at UNC they don't feature their freshmen and a freshman that cannot be a feature player will see his one & done goals vanish.

There were a lot of people that watched Hansbourgh and saw him stay for the full 4 yrs and wondered why he wasn't one & done, saw what they thought his draft stock was drop well out of being lotto. Then comes JMM, assumed to be for sure one & done level talent and all the buzz was he was maybe top 3 pick after his freshman season only so see his draft spot drop out of the first round when he finally entered after his Jr season. Add in the drama of transfers and the PJ stuff and all that stuff brings a lack of belief that the better talents, the one & done level talents just don't thrive at UNC like they do at some other programs, like Ky, duke, Kansas.

Now it is a flawed perception, Hansbourgh for all he was to us was still a near 6'7" power forward that was not goingto translate his skills well inthe NBA. JMM< we all saw it, he wasn't nearlyt he player he was hyped to be, no offense to JMM but when you try to compare him to Anthony Davis the guy he battled for best in that class, it was not nearly a close call. Playing for Roy JMM became a better player in each of his seasons but he was never going to live up to the hype he was given before coming to college.

Look at Meeks right now, was hyped as 2nd or 3rd best center in his class, the kid couldn't dunk at 6'9" coming to UNC, a kid like that is not going to dominate at the center position. he has improved a ton since coming to UNC and still has a ton to go, he nor any payers we have had would have been any better as payers had they attended any of those 1 & done factory programs but the perception is different from the reality.

Piggy backing on this is the other fact, that UNC as a team just has not gone deeper in the NCAAT than expected for a while now. It is the notion of as a team, have we over achieved, under achieved, or achieved expectation. Duke for example blew away expectation this last season, I could suggest that Ky last season did as well, going from being a low NCAAT seed to playing in the title game. While we may have achcieved close to expectation if we were looked at with reality, the common perception, even amoung UNC fans is that we have under achieved as a team for the last few years, actually since out last natty. While I can site reason after reason for our finishes it does not change the perception of a blue blood like us not playing in final 4s, being considered under dogs when/if we get in to a sweet 16 game.

Now I look at things from the view that reallay since our last Natty we just have not had UNC level front courts, the Henson/Zeller front court was solid but JMM didn't give that front court a lot of back up until the NCAAT and that didn't happen until Henson was hurt. Look at us since Henson & Zeller left, our front court just has not been able to stop many of the opposing big men we have faced. Average big men last season gave us fits, that isn't UNC level front court play.

let's face it, the most prized recruits, the guys that every one wants, the guys who the NBA covet more than any others are the big men that have special talent. Guys like Ochafor, Towns, MIles Turner, Tarc, Ashley, those are the guys that change the game from the front court position and they were all dreaming of being one & done. Zimmerman believes he is one & done, clearly Ingram fully believes he is but the perception that UNC does not feature freshmen and that you are not likely to be able to be one & done at UNC kills our chances.

To turn this around we need to do something special, we need to have a season where we over achieve. If we do not make the final 4 next season, that perception will continue, even with a heck of a lot of PT to offer a really talented kid. 2016 is the recuiting class that we really need to score big in and things look good for exactly that right now but it is a long time before most of that 2016 class makes its college decisions, we need at least 4 top level players, we desperately need Bradley & Bam and either Dennis Smith or Matt Coleman from that class as a absolute minimum.
 
Why would UNC not getting Ingram put a Chip on the current players' shoulders? I'm sure they were interested in whether Ingram was coming, but why would they go out and be more fired up that he didn't say yes to Roy?

They should be fired up to win regardless of Ingram.


I kinda agree with that, these kid sneed to get fired up based on what they have or maybe haven't been able to get done since they have come to UNC. We should not have to have exterior reasons to get fired up to play a single game, we should be fired up because you under achieved last season, that should be enough to fire you up for every game next season. I don't get this lack of intensity from one game to the next we have seen for the last 2-3 seasons, the chip should live on your shoulder for every game, not just when we see duke, Ky, or NC State. This team needs to attack the opponnents and not sit back and take the blows, that is what made Hansbough special, he attacked in every game for every second he was out there, he delieved the blows rather than sit back and take them. We are considered soft because we are taking the blows rather than delievering them for 40minutes.

The mindset of this team has to change, we try to play to pretty, like the boxer that dances for 12 rounds in a title fight, we need to become knock out punchers. If you are not sure what I mean by this, watch Winslow or Jones in the NCAAT the NCAAT a few weeks ago.
 
Despite whatever reason and excuses we want to latch on to, Roy has laid more eggs on the recruiting trail than any of us would like to see.

The leader of a big time AAU program here in the southeast was recently quoted as saying that the perception is that Roy isn't keeping up with the times and his refusal to let freshman play big minutes in comparison with other elite programs is killing his sales pitch on the recruiting trails with kids who now more than ever see college as a quick stop before the NBA.
 
I'm not a cop. I just wanted to know if racist comments are OK. Sounds like they are.
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Just got a message from someone who is offended by your user name.

No kidding.

Says it should be French-CanadianChuck and asked me to ban it.

Be careful what you ask for.
 
I'm not a cop. I just wanted to know if racist comments are OK. Sounds like they are.

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Is using the term "Nazi" offensive? Isn't "gook" used to refer to the Viet Cong? They were our enemies...and bad people. Who would care that we're offending them?

I'm not arguing. I'm just seeing how you define the word.
 
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