2018 ACC Recruiting - Offers

[What Would Jesus Do?]

While we have been caught up in last minute 2017 recruiting drama, almost everybody else is focused on the 2018 class.

I am always curious about the different strategies coaches use. Some offer few players, some rain offers far and wide. Obviously that's somewhat affected by needs, but some differences are clear.

So here's a look at the number of offers each ACC school has out at the moment, plus how many of those players are shown as "warm" on 247, plus how many commits they currently have.

Poor BC. Not only no commits, but no warms, either.

Teams are in order of 2017 ACC finish

Team       Offers Warm  Commits
UNC          6      4     2
Louisville  28     10     2
FSU         22      6     1
Notre Dame  13      3     1
Virginia    33      8     -
Duke         9      6     -
Miami       31      8     -
Va Tech     39      9     1
Syracuse    17      4     -
Wake        36      6     1
Ga Tech     38      2     -
Clemson     21      2     -
Pitt        38      2     -
NC State    23      2     -
BC          11      -     -

Note - the offers total includes players committed to the school or another school. So we have 6 offers out, including Black and White. So all 4 remaining offers are "warm."

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

With coaches who use the scattergun approach, you can also get a good idea of what the team needs. So, for example, Danny Manning has offered 12 PGs and 11 SFs.

 

[heels05champs]

This approach could bite us again this year. We should have at least twice as many offers out right now. The fact that we haven't offered any bigs is strange.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

This approach could bite us again this year. We should have at least twice as many offers out right now. The fact that we haven't offered any bigs is strange.

I wonder how much of that is that everyone seems to have believed we would sign Jairus Hamilton. And that we had a shot at Zion.

Zion seems like a long shot and Hamilton could have come on board any time and didn't - and is now picking up more offers (Duke and OSU most recently).

We now have Luke and a trio of full-size bigs. But it's hard to imagine a top-level big being scared off. A starting position could still be earned in 2018-19.

 

[Tom79]

This approach could bite us again this year. We should have at least twice as many offers out right now. The fact that we haven't offered any bigs is strange.

And each "class" is determined by need and availability, last class was slim on really good bigs, as an example. Sometimes it is pgs, or sf's/wings and so on...

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Here's a question for our gurus. When a guy like Manning puts out 12 offers to PGs, are they conditional so that the guy ranked #200 doesn't snatch the scholarship before the guys ranked in the top 25 have made up their minds?

Or could some of those offers to low-ranked players be "invited walk-on" positions?

Are there rules about this sort of thing?

For example, did we tell Jairus "we want you unless Zion commits so we're holding the scholarship for him"? Or is that scholarship on a first-come basis? Could that be why Jairus didn't commit long ago?

 

[Tom79]

Just my .02 but Roy seems to be open and honest with kids, he probably tells them, as you mention above wwjd, here is an offer to come to UNC to play, however, the position could be yours but you still have to earn starting minutes, and I am also considering Jones, Smith and another kid...if one of them agree to commit I will have to consider taking them as they want to be a Tar Heel too.

If a kid wants to be a Heel they can generally let Coach know almost right away with the thanks and I am looking at x,y and z schools. He and Coach can debate openings, how one fits and so on...still a kids decision.

 

[FlaTarHeel]

"One thing he(RW) told me was that he was going to keep it real with me. They weren't going to offer me on the spot. He was going to build a relationship with me and he did that." ---Coby White---

This is why we are the BEST program in America!

 

[Heelswin]

"One thing he(RW) told me was that he was going to keep it real with me. They weren't going to offer me on the spot. He was going to build a relationship with me and he did that." ---Coby White---

This is why we are the BEST program in America!

Roy does it right!!!

 

[RoseHeel]

Thanks to Roy securing Cam, this class has potential to be wrapped up early, just like 2014-15 was. Which is why the final few offers will prob. be very selective.

We potentially land a wing like Little or Hoard, and go all in for a top ranked guy like Langford, just like we did with R. Vaughn back then.

Gives us a solid multi-year class with lots of room to build in 2019. And maybe with the same results we saw in the following years??

Roy's gettin' it done folks!

 

[gauchoheel]

Still not sure why we wouldn't go after a 4 or 5 in 2018? Otherwise we may be starting a Freshman at 4 after Luke leaves.

 

[RoseHeel]

Still not sure why we wouldn't go after a 4 or 5 in 2018? Otherwise we may be starting a Freshman at 4 after Luke leaves.

Assuming you mean in 2019, that'd gives the 3 Junior bigs with a couple years of experience under their belt. By then, we'd likely be able to see what their potential will be.

Add in a Tony Bradley-esque type of guy that can contribute from the bench, and we've got a pretty solid frontcourt.

The most optimistic view IMO.

 

[UNC&ME]

Garrison Brooks is on scholly after Maye graduates/power forward-big forward

 

[gauchoheel]

Assuming you mean in 2019, that'd gives the 3 Junior bigs with a couple years of experience under their belt. By then, we'd likely be able to see what their potential will be.

Add in a Tony Bradley-esque type of guy that can contribute from the bench, and we've got a pretty solid frontcourt.

The most optimistic view IMO.

Nope, I meant 2018. If we don't bring in a 4 or 5 next year, that leaves really only Brooks or a freshman as a potential 4 in 2019 after Maye leaves.

Garrison Brooks is on scholly after Maye graduates/power forward-big forward

Sure, but I don't think Roy would leave a spot on the floor to just one player, particularly a mid-level recruit. Take our 2016 team, with Meeks and James at Center and Brice and Hicks at the 4. That is the ideal depth I think, and we still added a 5th big to that team (Luke).

 

[RoseHeel]

Nope, I meant 2018. If we don't bring in a 4 or 5 next year, that leaves really only Brooks or a freshman as a potential 4 in 2019 after Maye leaves.

The 2018-19 season gives us a senior Maye and Sophomore Brooks. Assuming Maye hits his stride and we don't take any bigs in the 2018 class, Maye likely starts at the 4 with Brooks on deck.

In 2019, unless we pick up a big that's OAD and/or a very talented freshman like Hurt, that spot more than likely goes to a Jr. Brooks. More than likely we land at least 1 big in 2019 no matter where in the rankings, and he will play in front or behind Brooks, depending on how good whoever that may be is, and how good Brooks will be.

In contrast to 2016, this year we had Hicks and Meeks as starters, with Bradley and Maye providing solid backup minutes.

 

[gauchoheel]

The 2018-19 season gives us a senior Maye and Sophomore Brooks. Assuming Maye hits his stride and we don't take any bigs in the 2018 class, Maye likely starts at the 4 with Brooks on deck.

In 2019, unless we pick up a big that's OAD and/or a very talented freshman like Hurt, that spot more than likely goes to a Jr. Brooks. More than likely we land at least 1 big in 2019 no matter where in the rankings, and he will play in front or behind Brooks, depending on how good whoever that may be is, and how good Brooks will be.

In contrast to 2016, this year we had Hicks and Meeks as starters, with Bradley and Maye providing solid backup minutes.

Sorry, I wasn't very clear in my wording. I am saying we need to pick up a big in the 2018 recruiting class, otherwise Brooks is the only options we'll have besides possibly a freshman in the 2019-2020 season. I'm questioning why we wouldn't pick up a big this recruiting season.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Where are Huff and Manley going in 2018?

 

[RoseHeel]

Sorry, I wasn't very clear in my wording. I am saying we need to pick up a big in the 2018 recruiting class, otherwise Brooks is the only options we'll have besides possibly a freshman in the 2019-2020 season. I'm questioning why we wouldn't pick up a big this recruiting season.

2016 our main rotation was Brice (Sr.), Hicks (Jr.), Meeks (Jr.), and James (Sr.)
2017 was Hicks (Sr.), Meeks (Sr.), Maye (So.), and Bradley (Fr.)

In 2020, why couldn't we have Brooks (Jr.), Huffman (Jr.), Manley (Jr.), and a Top 100 (preferably Top 50) Frosh?

Take a guy in 2018 and we start to get a bit crowded. I know some people have been listing Steere, but IMO, I'd rather take our chances in 2019 with a higher rated frosh big than one of the lower guys in 2018.

 

[gauchoheel]

2016 our main rotation was Brice (Sr.), Hicks (Jr.), Meeks (Jr.), and James (Sr.)
2017 was Hicks (Sr.), Meeks (Sr.), Maye (So.), and Bradley (Fr.)

In 2020, why couldn't we have Brooks (Jr.), Huffman (Jr.), Manley (Jr.), and a Top 100 (preferably Top 50) Frosh?

Take a guy in 2018 and we start to get a bit crowded. I know some people have been listing Steere, but IMO, I'd rather take our chances in 2019 with a higher rated frosh big than one of the lower guys in 2018.

Well, I am with you on taking a top big. The issue is just that I don't think we should be so bullish on Huffman, Manley, and Brooks. I think we can expect one of them at least to be a good starter by the 2019-2020 season, but two out of three would be fairly fortunate, and all three working out would be quite the coup.

So lets say one of them is a guy we're excited to have start by 2019 (their junior year), another is a solid rotation player, and the third still hasn't shown enough. We would be pretty short-handed wouldn't we? We'd need another starter and another rotation guy. That's a lot to ask from what will have to be two freshman (or a grad transfer). It would be like if Bradley had started this past year with Hicks, and then we'd had another freshman to go along with Luke on the bench.

Hopefully I'm displaying this clearly enough. Basically I think we need another (top 50 caliber) big in the 2018 class, or 2019 will look thin unless our current guys outperform a lot. Contrast with our backcourt situation, where we seem pretty stocked with talent. Between 7th, Felton, White, B-Rob, Leaky we've already got 5 guys for 2019 (pending early entrants), and Roy is looking at wings in 2018 plus whatever comes in for 2019.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Our bigs simply need to develop like UNC history suggests they will to be successful by their Jr years! Our staff develops bigs well and I see plenty of potential in the three we have on board! I see no reason to believe we won't get a clear starter and at least one top level backup within 2-3 years. I fully expect all three, barring injury especially to Manley, to be very capable post player by the time they leave UNC and for Brooks to develop into a player teams have to focus on to stop. This optimistic view is supported by as much evidence as the negative viewpoints we see so often on here about them.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Where are Huff and Manley going in 2018?

I think Gaucho's assumption is that they will handle the post. And if one of them isn't as good as hoped, Brooks could fill in there. But we don't have that same flexibility at PF. So he wants to recruit another 4 or 4/5.

I agree. We may be fine. I feel better about Manley after watching the game that was just posted. He was the one I worried about most. Not so worried now. All of these guys may take a year to be able to play at this level, but I am now more confident that they will be able to play at this level.

Miller, too, for that matter. And if Miller comes along, he might be the PF option we need. Not a banger (yet) but moves well and seems to have a decent touch.

Still, there are plenty of questions about our front line for the next couple of years. Snagging a good one in the 2018 class would be welcome.

 

[RoseHeel]

Quick list of Top 50 uncommitted Bigs in 2018:

Marvin Bagley
Bol Bol
Jordan Brown
Simisola Shittu
Moses Brown
Naz Reid
Emmitt Williams
Silvio De Sousa
Joey Hauser
Bryan Penn-Johnson
Kamaka Hepa

Only counting the ones who haven’t cut us from their list and the ones we’ve been listed to have made contact with at least once in the past couple of months, that leaves us with:

Silvio De Sousa, Simisola Shittu and Moses Brown*. And I put an asterisk by his name because Roy was at an event full of UNC targets, as opposed to a visit solely for him.

So that would pretty much leave us with, realistically, 2 targets in 2018 we have at best a decent shot with. And we’re already pretty late to the game. These guys are seniors now.

My point is this: If we can find a guy within that range who’s still got our attention, then by all means offer him. But I’d much rather see Roy spin the wheel in 2019 with guys a fresh wheel. Let’s be realistic here, we’re late into the game to be snagging away top guys with their lists already being cut down. And I’d much rather see Roy snag a Frosh who can contribute day 1 in 2019 than have to snag a 2018 big that would take a few years to develop.

JMO.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Anything can happen with the flexibility of our peeps coming in. CJ will probably still be here and Leaky is still growing. we could be 6'6", 6'8", 6'9 at 2-4 by then and that is without Brooks!

 

[gauchoheel]

Quick list of Top 50 uncommitted Bigs in 2018:

Marvin Bagley
Bol Bol
Jordan Brown
Simisola Shittu
Moses Brown
Naz Reid
Emmitt Williams
Silvio De Sousa
Joey Hauser
Bryan Penn-Johnson
Kamaka Hepa

Only counting the ones who haven’t cut us from their list and the ones we’ve been listed to have made contact with at least once in the past couple of months, that leaves us with:

Silvio De Sousa, Simisola Shittu and Moses Brown*. And I put an asterisk by his name because Roy was at an event full of UNC targets, as opposed to a visit solely for him.

So that would pretty much leave us with, realistically, 2 targets in 2018 we have at best a decent shot with. And we’re already pretty late to the game. These guys are seniors now.

My point is this: If we can find a guy within that range who’s still got our attention, then by all means offer him. But I’d much rather see Roy spin the wheel in 2019 with guys a fresh wheel. Let’s be realistic here, we’re late into the game to be snagging away top guys with their lists already being cut down. And I’d much rather see Roy snag a Frosh who can contribute day 1 in 2019 than have to snag a 2018 big that would take a few years to develop.

JMO.

I agree with this. And Roy certainly knows what he's doing. If he's not going after guys there is a reason. Just trying to understand, because to my eye we look a little short for the future. A lot depends on how the three freshman develop, and Roy knows a lot more about their progress than me. Optimistic based on our recruiting pattern that Roy thinks they'll be pretty good, because if he didn't I think we'd be pushing hard for 2018 bigs. We don't want multiple seasons in a row with a thin front line.

 

[Archer2]

I think we'd all be happy to sign a top 50 PF from the '18 class, I know I would. I'm sure Roy would too.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Roy's gettin' it done folks!

WORD!