ADVERTISEMENT

A couple of notes from the LNWR scrimmage...

gary-7

gary-7

Hall of Famer
Jan 27, 2003
20,736
16,189
113
Parts Unknown
As many of you likely saw, it was just a 20 minute, running clock deal... a bit looser and more fun/less intense than the full Blue-Whites. In fact one time Brice was the ball-handler on a Secondary Break (picked up an assist though!), and even tried a 3 (redeemed himself by dunking his own rebound).

While neither team shot the ball well, the 2 players who had the most noteworthy games were Hicks and White. Isiah played like his hair was on fire and attacked the rim. Stilman showed he's fully healthy and showed off his savvy and overall guard skills. I mention these because it bodes very well for our depth.

Additional random observations: KW had a couple of ugly misses but I liked some little things --- good court savvy, decent handle and made some nice post entries for a Wing. I'm sure the shot will come. KM made a jump-hook (like to see that more). LM competes hard and doesn't back down, and even the football player Egbuna had a couple of strong finishes inside.

Anyway, fun night for the Heels. Can't wait for real hoops to start!
 
  • Like
Reactions: mikeirbyusa
I will get excited about Stillman when he comes off the bench and hit a jump shot other than mop up time.. The same with Washington.
 
Gonna be fun to see how much all the guys have progressed since last season plus see how Maye and Williams look.
 
Steat said:
I will get excited about Stillman when he comes off the bench and hit a jump shot other than mop up time.. The same with Washington.
Click to expand...
Well..... I'll just say that if Roy plays it by ability Stilman could see the floor at meaningful times.
 
Steat said:
I will get excited about Stillman when he comes off the bench and hit a jump shot other than mop up time.. The same with Washington.
Click to expand...

Then plan to be excited because it will happen sooner rather than later. Stilman has as much poise as any player on our team, I have complete faith in him when he's in the game. He's fully healthy and and in basketball shape now and he just rarely makes mistakes. He will battle with Williams for backup minutes at the two. That leaves Theo to gobble up most of the backup minutes at the three behind JJ.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gary-7
Archer2 said:
Then plan to be excited because it will happen sooner rather than later. Stilman has as much poise as any player on our team, I have complete faith in him when he's in the game. He's fully healthy and and in basketball shape now and he just rarely makes mistakes. He will battle with Williams for backup minutes at the two. That leaves Theo to gobble up most of the backup minutes at the three behind JJ.
Click to expand...
The 1... well at least hopefully.
Ideally, and I repeat ideally, Nate and KW should back up at the 2.
(Well said, BTW)
 
gary-7 said:
Well..... I'll just say that if Roy plays it by ability Stilman could see the floor at meaningful times.
Click to expand...

How is he getting meaningful minutes over Paige, Berry and Britt? Unless your saying White is better than Britt, which in turn I'd tell ya the hall of fame coach could see that in practice
 
Archer2 said:
Then plan to be excited because it will happen sooner rather than later. Stilman has as much poise as any player on our team, I have complete faith in him when he's in the game. He's fully healthy and and in basketball shape now and he just rarely makes mistakes. He will battle with Williams for backup minutes at the two. That leaves Theo to gobble up most of the backup minutes at the three behind JJ.
Click to expand...

Stilman white would get killed at the 2. It's not happening
 
Sk1310 said:
How is he getting meaningful minutes over Paige, Berry and Britt? Unless your saying White is better than Britt, which in turn I'd tell ya the hall of fame coach could see that in practice
Click to expand...
I'm just gonna leave that one alone... for now...
 
mikeirbyusa said:
Why do we enjoy shooting our own so much?
Click to expand...

Mikey, it's not shooting our own. We just have a lot of depth where I don't see Stilman getting meaningful minutes. That's all. If he's better than Nate, then he will and Nate won't. Just realistic thoughts..
 
gary-7 said:
The 1... well at least hopefully.
Ideally, and I repeat ideally, Nate and KW should back up at the 2.
(Well said, BTW)
Click to expand...

I know you like Nate at the two more than at the one. But I think Berry will start at the one and Nate will be his primary backup at the one, with MP playing there occasionally. MP will primarily play SG with spot duty at point. Williams, Stilman, and possibly Theo will fill in at the two. But I see most of Theo's minutes coming at SF. He and JJ will be the best SF tandem in the league.
 
Archer2 said:
.....But I see most of Theo's minutes coming at SF. He and JJ will be the best SF tandem in the league.
Click to expand...

Argree with this. I see Theo and Justin sharing a lot of time at the 3, but don't be shocked if Roy mixes it up some early in the season with a small line-up: Two guards, Theo and Justin on the floor with a mobile big (Brice or Isaiah)
 
Oh, I can envision seeing that Oz. Roy has a bunch of versatile players who can play multiple positions. We'll see a lot of different combinations early on as Roy tinkers with his depth. Barring injuries, we're going to be good.
 
Sk1310 said:
Is Nate good enough to defend at the 2? I don't think so
Click to expand...
Defensive assignments can be and are often adjusted and are thus are not necessarily position-specific.
I was talking about our offensive personnel configuration, specifically the primary ball-handler/quarterback of the offense (the 1), as opposed to a wing position who is the secondary ball-handler but mostly off the ball (the 2).

The 1 in our system has very specific duties, and more than in about any system I've encountered, fulfilling those duties correctly triggers our entire offense... and conversely we struggle in the absence of that. The 1 must maintain floor balance and spacing, trigger the Passing Game and entries on set plays, be able to penetrate and instinctively know when to do so and how far to go, with an innate sense of geometry and passing angles, and above all, take care of the ball.

So, I'll just put this out there: Go back and watch Stilman's performance as a true Freshman getting all the minutes at the 1 in high-stakes NCAA tourney games (with zero turnovers), then check him out in the LNWR scrimmage to see his current more mature physical stature, and watch his floor presence. Literally everything he did was "winning basketball". And make no mistake, Stilman can shoot.

After you do that, tell me you wouldn't trust a healthy, mature Stilman White with the ball running our offense in any situation.

And to get to your point about available minutes, once you get past Joel B. and Marcus, ask yourself honestly given the bodies of work we've seen, whom among the rest of the roster you would trust to do all the aforementioned things a Carolina PG needs to do.

I know my answer....
 
Archer2 said:
I know you like Nate at the two more than at the one. But I think Berry will start at the one and Nate will be his primary backup at the one, with MP playing there occasionally. MP will primarily play SG with spot duty at point. Williams, Stilman, and possibly Theo will fill in at the two. But I see most of Theo's minutes coming at SF. He and JJ will be the best SF tandem in the league.
Click to expand...
I fear you are probably correct.... It would be better if you weren't ;)
 
gary-7 said:
Defensive assignments can be and are often adjusted and are thus are not necessarily position-specific.
I was talking about our offensive personnel configuration, specifically the primary ball-handler/quarterback of the offense (the 1), as opposed to a wing position who is the secondary ball-handler but mostly off the ball (the 2).

The 1 in our system has very specific duties, and more than in about any system I've encountered, fulfilling those duties correctly triggers our entire offense... and conversely we struggle in the absence of that. The 1 must maintain floor balance and spacing, trigger the Passing Game and entries on set plays, be able to penetrate and instinctively know when to do so and how far to go, with an innate sense of geometry and passing angles, and above all, take care of the ball.

So, I'll just put this out there: Go back and watch Stilman's performance as a true Freshman getting all the minutes at the 1 in high-stakes NCAA tourney games (with zero turnovers), then check him out in the LNWR scrimmage to see his current more mature physical stature, and watch his floor presence. Literally everything he did was "winning basketball". And make no mistake, Stilman can shoot.

After you do that, tell me you wouldn't trust a healthy, mature Stilman White with the ball running our offense in any situation.

And to get to your point about available minutes, once you get past Joel B. and Marcus, ask yourself honestly given the bodies of work we've seen, whom among the rest of the roster you would trust to do all the aforementioned things a Carolina PG needs to do.

I know my answer....
Click to expand...

I get it. Stilman is a good little player, although you look at 0 turnovers as the key. I looked at how our offense was very very stagnant during that game. Their was absolutely no rhythm, no tempo. Again, I don't see meaningful minutes for Stilman. They just aren't available.
 
Sk1310 said:
Mikey, it's not shooting our own. We just have a lot of depth where I don't see Stilman getting meaningful minutes. That's all. If he's better than Nate, then he will and Nate won't. Just realistic thoughts..
Click to expand...

Then say it like this and not like you said it before!!! The guy is a Heel but the way some of you talk about him you act like he sucks….and you act like you know more than coach!!!!! Think before you post!!!!!
 
Sk1310 said:
I get it. Stilman is a good little player, although you look at 0 turnovers as the key. I looked at how our offense was very very stagnant during that game. Their was absolutely no rhythm, no tempo. Again, I don't see meaningful minutes for Stilman. They just aren't available.
Click to expand...
He's a "good little player" huh?
Alrighty then.....
 
I don't like ragging on a player, and I like the bickering on here less, so lets take a moment to see how great it is to have the luxury of debating whether a pretty good player (Stillman) will get minutes or not?

I mean the last time he got significant minutes he was a frosh and Roys only choice!!!
 
I love stillman.... but,if he's getting meaningful minutes...something bad has happened to a couple of key players!!
 
I want everyone to take a breathe, you are basing your opinions on Stillman on one single game he was put in to as a freshman in the most intense time of the season. I think we can all agree, Stillman did really well considering what many would have expected under the circumstances at the time.

But that is all ya know about him folks, he was first on a Morman mission and last season he was hurt the whole season, how can any of you have such absolute feels for what Stillman can do based on basically no sample size of games he has played?

Help me to understand how your opinions of Stillman White and what he can do for this current team can be so solidly cast in stone based on one game he played nearly 3 years ago as a freshman?

For the record on Stillman I have no expectations or projection other than he will be a fine representitive of the school and the program. All I know for now is the kid is more mentally and physically mature than he was as a wide eyed frosh having to be our starting PG in a NCAAT game 3 years ago. There are really only 3 things about that game that stick out in my memory, Stillman had no TOs, we didn't win the game, and our starting PG was hurt by a thug like team in the prior game.

I want to see what Stillman has now before I form an opinion of what he can bring to this team.
 
A famous quote by Allen Iverson is applicable here: "You talkin bout practice".... .
 
Many clamor every season for the scrappy tough kid who can knock down wide open shots. When we potentially have one, they just complain about what they think he can't do.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gobblercalls
DSouthr said:
I want everyone to take a breathe, you are basing your opinions on Stillman on one single game he was put in to as a freshman in the most intense time of the season. I think we can all agree, Stillman did really well considering what many would have expected under the circumstances at the time.

But that is all ya know about him folks, he was first on a Morman mission and last season he was hurt the whole season, how can any of you have such absolute feels for what Stillman can do based on basically no sample size of games he has played?

Help me to understand how your opinions of Stillman White and what he can do for this current team can be so solidly cast in stone based on one game he played nearly 3 years ago as a freshman?

For the record on Stillman I have no expectations or projection other than he will be a fine representitive of the school and the program. All I know for now is the kid is more mentally and physically mature than he was as a wide eyed frosh having to be our starting PG in a NCAAT game 3 years ago. There are really only 3 things about that game that stick out in my memory, Stillman had no TOs, we didn't win the game, and our starting PG was hurt by a thug like team in the prior game.

I want to see what Stillman has now before I form an opinion of what he can bring to this team.
Click to expand...
Dave, my eyes don't lie. Never have, never will.

BTW: He started two NCAA games that year after the Creighton thuggery cost us Butter:
1 win - 32 minutes, 6 assists, 1 steal, 0 turnovers
1 loss - 28 minutes, 7 assists, 1 steal, 0 turnovers
Literally the only thing he didn't do well was shoot the ball (the "wide-eyed frosh" thing --- he got some nice open looks), but he was 4-4 from the FT line.

And yes, he is now more physically and mentally mature, and he is a more accomplished shooter and hasn't lost any of that court savvy and PG instinct. Get him some quality minutes, IMO he will deliver.

You and I tend to see a lotta the same things, Dave, so, let me pose you an honest question:
Hypothetical:
2 minutes to go in a tie ballgame in front of a hostile hillbilly crowd at State,
JB and Marcus have fouled out.
Who on the roster would you trust to run the offense and get the ball to the right guy in the right place and not get themselves caught in no-man's land and turn it over? Hmm?

I know my answer... (and I also know who it ain't)
 
if you want it to go to the wrong guy in the wrong place, Britt is your guy...we learned that much in those few minutes he gave Wiscy the game last year in the tournament....
 
Stillman was overmatched both games. Stalled our offense because he couldn't penetrate or not pick up his dribble when checked by his defender.

Not gonna happen for him playing meaningful minutes. Berry Britt then him aith Paige tossed in at point ahead of him also.
 
The Heels are ranked #1 in the country and Stillman has nothing to do with that ranking. I have not seen one write-up that mentions Stillman in it .....not even as a back-up. I'm sorry if I upset some of you, but IMO he should get more attention when he actually does something. I have never seen someone get so much attention that has done absolutely nothing but shine in a fun practice game. I'm coming to join you Elizabeth!!!
 
Last edited:
DSouthr said:
I want everyone to take a breathe, you are basing your opinions on Stillman on one single game he was put in to as a freshman in the most intense time of the season. I think we can all agree, Stillman did really well considering what many would have expected under the circumstances at the time.

But that is all ya know about him folks, he was first on a Morman mission and last season he was hurt the whole season, how can any of you have such absolute feels for what Stillman can do based on basically no sample size of games he has played?

Help me to understand how your opinions of Stillman White and what he can do for this current team can be so solidly cast in stone based on one game he played nearly 3 years ago as a freshman?

For the record on Stillman I have no expectations or projection other than he will be a fine representitive of the school and the program. All I know for now is the kid is more mentally and physically mature than he was as a wide eyed frosh having to be our starting PG in a NCAAT game 3 years ago. There are really only 3 things about that game that stick out in my memory, Stillman had no TOs, we didn't win the game, and our starting PG was hurt by a thug like team in the prior game.

I want to see what Stillman has now before I form an opinion of what he can bring to this team.
Click to expand...
agreed and I need more than a 20 minute scrimmage..
 
You guys want to talk about hating on somebody?? How about the hatorade for Britt. Britt .384 FG % , .366 3P% .882 FT% and 1.0 TO per game Berry .404 FG% , .354 3p% , .757 FT% and .7 TO per game , minutes 15.3 Britt and Berry 13.2. Looks pretty close to me. Seems like everybody hating on Britt for one game(Wisky) and thinking they know more than COACH. Some on here look at those stats and determine Berry is 2nd coming of Steph Curry and Britt is not worthy of a walk on. I love Berry and look for him to step up this year and play a much larger role this year but I will take a year older and a much more battle tested Britt any day over Stillman who has played a couple of games of sequence and a 20 minute scrimmage in his whole career. Stillman could turn out to be "a good little player" time will tell. So yeah posters need to think before they write.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TPFKAPFS and soap - new and improved
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

andrew jones

Wake Forest-UNC Postgame Notes

Replies
0
Views
225
Blue Heaven
andrew jones
andrew jones
andrew jones

Dayton-UNC Postgame Notes

Replies
0
Views
173
Four Corners
andrew jones
andrew jones
NathanFielder

Postgame Thoughts

Replies
1
Views
725
Tar Heel Radar
tarwhiz
T
andrew jones

American-UNC Postgame Notes

Replies
0
Views
204
Four Corners
andrew jones
andrew jones
andrew jones

UNC-BC Postgame Notes

Replies
0
Views
189
Blue Heaven
andrew jones
andrew jones
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT
Top Bottom
Back