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1 - the CFP committee needs to wake up. All these teams in their top 25 keep losing, yet UNC has done nothing but win over the last 9 weeks. UNC should not only be in their top 25, but at a minimum in the top 20, probably higher given they are leading the Coastal division. Give a SEC team the same schedule and record and they are top 10. There is a huge bias out there and it is a complete joke.

2 -Next week is another key week. UNC is up for let down after two key wins. Miami is dangerous. Hopefully, the coaching staff can keep up the momentum. I think I read a UNC win and a Pitt loss and UNC is the coastal champs!
 
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I think we will be ranked. But not Top 20. Which I hope the staff and players can use as motovation still. But all they really need for there motivation is there own goals. These kids believe in each other and the staff. Totally different team than last year.
 
IMO, sports writers wrote UNC off a bit following the first game loss to a below avg team.

After reading this morning a few writers act like "who are these guys and where did they come from?" while other writers are going with "we told you this team was good, playing confidently and executing well"...curious as to how the committee" views it.

on an aside, two more really good recruits expressing interest in becoming part of the freak show we got going...:cool:
 
I understand the loss to a below average team, but other top 25 teams are the same. Look at Northwestern, they got blown out 2 weeks in a row. Oklahoma lost to Texas, who are just as bad as SC. I am just saying the CFP committee did a horrible job. Hopefully it works itself out, but as we get close to the end of the year, UNC needs to jump up.
 
I feel the same way you do Hawk. I know this team is good. But I don't really know who we have beat either. We haven beat anyone that is ranked now in the Top 25. I know Pitt was ranked when we beat them. But until we win the rest of our games like today. Not by that score . But look like from the get go there is no doubt that we were the better team. And then Beat Clemson. That's the only way we will get love from the committee. We are Carolina Football. It has been a long time since we have really been a factor in football. Case in point. The day that MW had today. And not even Nominated on Sports Centers Capital One Impact Player of the Game. A guy that had 300 passing yards 4 TDs. 2 rushing 2 passing. And he even had 2 picks. Got nominated.
 
Yeah it's like ESPN has us on "ignore". All we need to do is keep winning and attention will come. Probably will never happen, but, if we win out and somehow beat Clemson in the championship game, how does the committee treat the ACC champion then? Now I know it will probably not happen but it would make for an interesting situation.
 
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grillheel said:
Yeah it's like ESPN has us on "ignore". All we need to do is keep winning and attention will come. Probably will never happen, but, if we win out and somehow beat Clemson in the championship game, how does the committee treat the ACC champion then? Now I know it will probably not happen but it would make for an interesting situation.
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If (and it's a humongous if) we were to win out and beat Clemson, the ACC would end up being the conference left out of the playoff. There is no doubt in my mind.
 
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JuleZ '02 HEEL said:
If (and it's a humongous if) we were to win out and beat Clemson, the ACC would end up being the conference left out of the playoff. There is no doubt in my mind.
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You are right. Clemson is our only chance to get in the Final 4. And to be honest we are not a final 4 type team even if we do win out. Do you really believe we could hang with an Bama or a OSU. Remember some of your comments after the Duke win before answering.
 
grillheel said:
Yeah it's like ESPN has us on "ignore". All we need to do is keep winning and attention will come. Probably will never happen, but, if we win out and somehow beat Clemson in the championship game, how does the committee treat the ACC champion then? Now I know it will probably not happen but it would make for an interesting situation.
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Lets be honest. If the Heels win the ACC, then the ACC is getting left out of the College Football Playoff, even though the champion is 12-1. ACC gets snubbed to allow the Big 12 champion in.
 
bobby121567 said:
....Clemson is our only chance to get in the Final 4. And to be honest we are not a final 4 type team even if we do win out. Do you really believe we could hang with an Bama or a OSU........
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Playing devils advocate here but do you feel Clemson could hang with them? If the hypothetical holds true and we win out and beat Clemson, then I think there is a case to be made that we are in a final 4 conversation. That said, I don't think Clemson is really final 4 either. I don't mean to sound disrespectful to Clemson I just feel like there are 4 better teams.
 
I would rather not be ranked. Keeps the team and players hungry and they play with a chip on their shoulder. Just keep winning games and everything will take care of itself.

Go Heels!!!!
 
Clemson would destory OSU. Have you seen them. They struggle with Minnesota and Indiana. UNC would beat OSU TODAY, yes right now. I think UNC is better than most you ppl think. Quise is on another level and a different place right now. UNC offense should be unstoppable. Its defense is getting better weekly. UNC vs. Clemson could be classic
 
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JimmyinVA said:
that's exactly why clemson will get very friendly officiating in the acccg.
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I don't think they would need it. Clemson is playing like Achilles and the Myrmidons. As much as I'd love to be in the ACC Championship game... it would be bittersweet due to the competition. ALthough, it would make the win even more amazing, if it occurred. Like TarHeelMark said, it's hard to be too optimistic, even at 8-1, when you're expecting the inevitable let-down.
 
JuleZ '02 HEEL said:
If (and it's a humongous if) we were to win out and beat Clemson, the ACC would end up being the conference left out of the playoff. There is no doubt in my mind.
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I don't disagree with this at all. But it would be great to at least be part of the conversation. I'm certainly not saying we are final four caliber, but with teams that have been unbeaten starting to lose and the possibility of upsets to some others, you never know how things might work out. I'm just hoping we get to the ACCCG and hang in with Clemson, but, hey, this is fun to think/talk about.:cool:
 
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UNCGridironFanatic said:
Our D played its worst game of the year Saturday. First time we've given up 500+ yds all year. Very worrisome w/ a talent-laden Miami squad, Beamer's last home game, and the mooers semi-annual hatefest on the horizon.
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That's what I noticed as well. Our defense played similar to last season overall. That was WAY too many points and yards allowed.
 
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OTOH, the subpar D performance may be just what the staff needs to keep the kids' heads out of the clouds after a dominating SCORE such as yesterday.

Although, truth be known, we've got nothing to get the bighead about, as we've accomplished exactly NOTHING as of yet. Haven't clinched the division, haven't broken the 8 W barrier that has been the ceiling since 97, haven't swept all in-state schools yet, still have a Coastal team left that simply needs to win out to put extreme pressure on us in 2 end of season road games in hostile environs. Bottom line, lots of business to tend to yet.
 
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UNCGridironFanatic said:
OTOH, the subpar D performance may be just what the staff needs to keep the kids' heads out of the clouds after a dominating SCORE such as yesterday.

Although, truth be known, we've got nothing to get the bighead about, as we've accomplished exactly NOTHING as of yet. Haven't clinched the division, haven't broken the 8 W barrier that has been the ceiling since 97, haven't swept all in-state schools yet, still have a Coastal team left that simply needs to win out to put extreme pressure on us in 2 end of season road games in hostile environs. Bottom line, lots of business to tend to yet.
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perfectly stated
 
Mighty tough audience in here. We beat our instate division by 35 and it could have easily been worse. We have an awful lot to be proud of. Our defense gave up a lot of yards but we're going to continue to get better defensively. Our offense is hitting it's stride. Eagerly anticipating the Miami game.
 
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Archer2 said:
Mighty tough audience in here. We beat our instate division by 35 and it could have easily been worse. We have an awful lot to be proud of. Our defense gave up a lot of yards but we're going to continue to get better defensively. Our offense is hitting it's stride. Eagerly anticipating the Miami game.
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But the point is that our D REGRESSED yesterday, Archer. Not calling it a trend, as I thought WF, uva, and Pitt were steps forward. Just concerning. No panic. Coaching staff needs to use the D struggles yesterday constructively to keep everyone hyper-focused.
 
UNCGridironFanatic said:
Our D played its worst game of the year Saturday. First time we've given up 500+ yds all year. Very worrisome w/ a talent-laden Miami squad, Beamer's last home game, and the mooers semi-annual hatefest on the horizon.
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Whoa. You do realize our defense was on the field 68% of the game. Duke had over 10 possession. With our offense scoring so quickly. Honestly what did you expect. Its not rocket science. Why you think Oregon or b12 schools give up so much on defense. Itis literally impossible to be fresh when your offense scores in 2 mins or less. Smh
 
Catastrophic plays. 105 yds. on just 2 of them. Our D had not been giving those plays up since Illinois RB got free for about 50 on one run. Far too many 2nd and 2, 2nd and 1 down/distance combos for the Blew Imps.

Understand your point about us scoring quickly, and it is a good one. But SOME of that responsibility lies w/ our O coaches. I was paying intense attention to UNC's clock mgmt. in the second half, given the lead we had at the half. We were CONSISTENTLY snapping the ball w/ 12-15 sec left on the play clock. Think about it. If we had 30 plays in the 2nd half, we could've burned a full 5 more minutes of game time off the clock without the ball in play. That is roughly a third of the time the opposition would've have had it in a normal possession game...much more akin to the 2nd half than 1st half yesterday. Our O coaches need to help the D in these clock/score situations. At some point, the clock becomes the opponent. "I Got Your Back" needs to include coaches, too.

Great O performance yesterday, but just enough stuff to chew on and correct that it should keep us salty.
 
bobby121567 said:
You are right. Clemson is our only chance to get in the Final 4. And to be honest we are not a final 4 type team even if we do win out. Do you really believe we could hang with an Bama or a OSU. Remember some of your comments after the Duke win before answering.
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I agree if we were to win out and beat Clemson , there would probably be 4 teams with a more valid claim.
 
Champ_24 said:
Clemson would destory OSU. Have you seen them. They struggle with Minnesota and Indiana. UNC would beat OSU TODAY, yes right now. I think UNC is better than most you ppl think. Quise is on another level and a different place right now. UNC offense should be unstoppable. Its defense is getting better weekly. UNC vs. Clemson could be classic
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I just want to beat Miami ,VT and moo anything more is gravy.
 
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As a heels fan I would like to think we have earned it. However from a ranking/analysis perspective, we haven't beaten many good teams and have beaten a lot of times with below 500 records. And we loss to South Carolina who is awfuk
 
We deserve to be top 25, somewhere in the 20-23 range in my opinion. If we win out Which would put us in the acc championship against a likely national title contender in Clemson, we will be in the 10-12 range I believe.
 
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However from a ranking/analysis perspective, we haven't beaten many good teams and have beaten a lot of times with below 500 records. And we loss to South Carolina who is awfuk
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Couple of points. One, there aren't many teams whose collective W resume is OU, ND, Clemson, Southern Cal, Utah, Mich. St., LSU, and Alabama. I get really tired of the double standard applied to UNC. We have to beat elites to avoid the "weak schedule" label, but dook and Pitt, or moo from the other division, could and has gotten ranked (not playoff ranked, but polls) by beating a much weaker set of teams.

Illinois and Pitt are better than any team dook has beaten, but nobody takes them to task for the fact that 4-5 VT and 3-6 GT are by far dook's best wins. And they were ranked for weeks.
As for moo, they've beaten, by far, the 2 worst teams in the ACC....and 4 OOC tomato cans. But those mouthbreathers claim our schedule is "not worthy" of a ranking. We have FIVE Ws better than ANY W they have! And SCar is Alabama by comparison to any of the midgets they played OOC.
 
2nd, SCar isn't awful. A late turnover caused defeat snatched from the jaws of victory inside Tenn. 5 yd line at UT last night. They sttod toe to toe for most of their game w/ LSU, and turned it over 3 times in Missouri's redzone, again, on the road.

They aren't good, but they're not Troy, E. Ky., Howard, or N. Texas, either.
 
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Playing devils advocate here but do you feel Clemson could hang with them? If the hypothetical holds true and we win out and beat Clemson, then I think there is a case to be made that we are in a final 4 conversation. That said, I don't think Clemson is really final 4 either. I don't mean to sound disrespectful to Clemson I just feel like there are 4 better teams.
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Your right about that too. But if we win out and then lose to Clemson. By that time we will be Top 12 if not Top 10. And Clemson then would have beaten 3 Top 15 teams. That will get them in because of the resume. If we win out and beat Clemson. It looks great. But the Powers that be will look at it we only beat one ranked team.
 
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if we win out and beat clemson everyone will talk about how bad the acc is when the champion can't even beat a many loss sc team.
 
UNCGridironFanatic said:
Catastrophic plays. 105 yds. on just 2 of them. Our D had not been giving those plays up since Illinois RB got free for about 50 on one run. Far too many 2nd and 2, 2nd and 1 down/distance combos for the Blew Imps.

Understand your point about us scoring quickly, and it is a good one. But SOME of that responsibility lies w/ our O coaches. I was paying intense attention to UNC's clock mgmt. in the second half, given the lead we had at the half. We were CONSISTENTLY snapping the ball w/ 12-15 sec left on the play clock. Think about it. If we had 30 plays in the 2nd half, we could've burned a full 5 more minutes of game time off the clock without the ball in play. That is roughly a third of the time the opposition would've have had it in a normal possession game...much more akin to the 2nd half than 1st half yesterday. Our O coaches need to help the D in these clock/score situations. At some point, the clock becomes the opponent. "I Got Your Back" needs to include coaches, too.

Great O performance yesterday, but just enough stuff to chew on and correct that it should keep us salty.
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Massive holds on the inside (3 different dookie linemen) sprung the QB for his 53 yard td scamper. They tried the same thing later and sprung him loose again (again with massive interior holding) but the refs whistled dook on that one.

We did give up way too many third and longs though, something UNC defenses have all seemed to do thru the years. Drives me bonkers.
 
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But the point is that our D REGRESSED yesterday, Archer. Not calling it a trend, as I thought WF, uva, and Pitt were steps forward. Just concerning. No panic. Coaching staff needs to use the D struggles yesterday constructively to keep everyone hyper-focused.
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Agreed, but we all knew coming into the season that our offense was going to have to carry us. Just because our defense has exceeded expectations considerably, we can't forget that it is still a year or two away from being a true strength. A little more experience and talent, on the OL in particular, and it will be IMO. The caveat is keeping our staff intact.
 
It sure is nice to be seeing these posts rather than the alternative!
I am sure this week is going to be a "teaching" set of practices on defense.
I still think we win out, and I'll take an ugly "W" or two heading to the barn...:cool:
 
We're vastly improved over last year. A legit top 20 team. Thats freaking awesome!! Realistically though we are no better than that...yet. We're not a top ten team and certainly not top 4. But i aint complaining considering where we were coming off surrendering 70 pts to ezu.
 
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Couple of points. One, there aren't many teams whose collective W resume is OU, ND, Clemson, Southern Cal, Utah, Mich. St., LSU, and Alabama. I get really tired of the double standard applied to UNC. We have to beat elites to avoid the "weak schedule" label, but dook and Pitt, or moo from the other division, could and has gotten ranked (not playoff ranked, but polls) by beating a much weaker set of teams.

Illinois and Pitt are better than any team dook has beaten, but nobody takes them to task for the fact that 4-5 VT and 3-6 GT are by far dook's best wins. And they were ranked for weeks.
As for moo, they've beaten, by far, the 2 worst teams in the ACC....and 4 OOC tomato cans. But those mouthbreathers claim our schedule is "not worthy" of a ranking. We have FIVE Ws better than ANY W they have! And SCar is Alabama by comparison to any of the midgets they played OOC.
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Calling moo's OOC schedule "tomato cans" is an insult to tomato cans every where,
 
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