ACC stands behind phantom fair catch signal
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Raise your hand if you're surprised.
No, you have to raise it above your head. Otherwise it doesn't count.
No, you have to raise it above your head. Otherwise it doesn't count.
ah no but to add another lie to the mix instead of just saying we erred.
I guess it is time for a follow-up email to the ACC Coordinator for League Officials. I sent him two photos of GT's phantom first down. I'm gonna stay after this guy until he answers or replies that he refuses to answer.
This anti-UNC agenda on the part of the officials has got to be challenged, and vociferously so.
This anti-UNC agenda on the part of the officials has got to be challenged, and vociferously so.
Ron Cherry is, in the world of football officials, the ultimate in untouchable 3rd Rail. Cherry could toss an entire coaching staff out for 'Givin' Me the Bizzness,' and the ACC office would refuse to speak ill of him.
Valid Signal
ARTICLE 2. A valid signal is a signal given by a player of Team B who has obviously signaled his intention by extending one hand only clearly above his head and waving that hand from side to side of his body more than once.
2015 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations
Whatever Switzer did with his arm, it didn't even resemble an attempt at a fair catch signal; that's just blatantly obvious CYA on the part of the ACC.
#LOLACC
ARTICLE 2. A valid signal is a signal given by a player of Team B who has obviously signaled his intention by extending one hand only clearly above his head and waving that hand from side to side of his body more than once.
2015 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations
Whatever Switzer did with his arm, it didn't even resemble an attempt at a fair catch signal; that's just blatantly obvious CYA on the part of the ACC.
#LOLACC
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Officials err to the side of caution when calling fair catch. This is to protect the returner. No way the official knew switz would go the distance so to say it was done to spite unc doesnt make sense. U just cant make any motion with your arm if u dont want fair catch called.
Lol, i only watched the vid once but didnt he like wave his hand towards his chest or something? Kinda like "i got it"? I think he was trying to fool them myself and was hoping the kicking team would think it was a fair catch signal but the refs wouldnt.
I tend to agree with heelmanwilm. How bout if Switzer had gotten blasted and hurt (The complete other end of the spectrum from 70 yard punt return, 1st and goal at the 5 yard line.)? We'd be equally up in arms.. "dude, didn't have his arm fully extended, but the ref knew he was calling for a fair catch. throw the SOB out of the game!"
Knowing Switzer's happy go lucky style or just flat out brashness (which makes him who he is and darn glad to have him), it's plausible he was trying to dupe the ref and Deacs. In the end, we won the game very decidedly. Let's take it to the 'Hoos this Saturday as well.
Knowing Switzer's happy go lucky style or just flat out brashness (which makes him who he is and darn glad to have him), it's plausible he was trying to dupe the ref and Deacs. In the end, we won the game very decidedly. Let's take it to the 'Hoos this Saturday as well.
Nope. That would be RS's fault for not calling a fair catch. Punt returners failing to call a fair catch and then getting blasted happens every single Saturday.
He did no such thing. He touched his hand to his chest and then lowered it. Rule states you clearly have to put your hand above your head and wave it back and forth.
The problem was the refs and Wake Forest assumed he'd call a fair catch since they were closing in on him. But he didn't. They were so flabbergasted that he didn't that they just assumed they should blow the play dead.
This is analogous to a basketball ref anticipating a foul that never happens, which also bugs the **** out of me.
Touched his hand to his chest, waved his hand to his chest, whatever. I loved the attempt on his part and the refs blew it. But the message is clear, dont motion with your arm. I just looked again and he made a movement with his arm toward his chest that, to me, signals "i got it" or something similar. A player wont risk creaming someone and getting a huge penalty in a game in doubt when they see anything remotely resembling a fair catch signal. And yes for chrissakes i know it didnt meet the criteria but in the heat of the moment u cant take that chance. Thats why an attempt to deceive is a penalty. I think the players and refs did assume like u said but the movement of the arm added to their confusion imho. I wager he doesnt do it again.
To me the issue is if he HADNT of made that wave/touch/whatever would wake have let up and the refs have blown the whistle?
Screw the ACC and Swofford. Lets say for arguments sake he made a fair catch signal. Well, a Wake player hit him. Why not flag for that. Swofford needs to step down. He is trying so hard not to seem pro UNC he is actually being anti UNC (despite what all the moronic abc'rs think).
If the officials were just trying to protect the returner, why didn't call Wake for a personal foul - they did hit Switz before he ever ran anywhere.
So what are you supposed to do with your arms then? At some point he has to raise them to catch a football you know.
What?.................. So the rule is not the rule. You're saying he must stand there in a comatose state, and not move a muscle? There was NOTHING remotely resembling a fair catch according to the written rule. Nothing.
Yes he must freeze, unblinking, no twitches, hold his breath, and count to ten.
Yes, clearly you must catch the ball without raising your hands to your chest. Or making any last-second adjustments or sudden movements. I mean haven't you ever seen a punt return before?
P.S. The ruling on the field was a delay of game penalty for running after making a fair catch signal, NOT a penalty for an "invalid fair catch signal." The ref blew the call and the ACC is simply wrong in defending it. No excuse.
Officiating needs to be overhauled, but Swofford absolutely needs to STAY where he is. His maneuvers with respect to expansion have been shrewdly perfect.
Any Carolina fan calling for Swofford to step down......well, that makes me scratch my head.
Just the ones i returned in high school. And yes, we were taught to gesture to our chest as the ball was falling. It shows the ball where to land.
well he could continue motioning/waving/pointing/genuflecting to his chest in some ambiguous manner and just stand there. That'll prob work well.
Except that didn't happen. He tapped his chest. That's why the call sucks.
obviously a botched call. back to the discussion of why most horrible calls in carolina games go against carolina -- whether that reflects referee bias or merely incompetence. why not both? i.e., third rate officials who also for personal reasons don't like unc. maybe they didn't get accepted to unc coming out of high school and hold a grudge (like most woofpeckers).
He raised his hand no higher than the bottom of the #'s on his jersey. Most all players move their arms/hands slightly as they move up to field the punt The wake guys had gotten too close or it would have been kick catch interference . Bottom line Refs fuked up.
Both were pathetic calls. Just more proof at how incompetent the refs are... Fair catch signals should be some of the easiest calls in the game, for gawds sake.
The specific language in the rule defines an invalid fair catch signal as "any waving signal" that doesn't meet the requirements of a valid fair catch signal (hand above head, etc.).
The problem with that definition is the word waving. The motions made by Switzer and Reid in no way resembled waving. If the effing rule is that the returner can't make any signal that could be misconstrued as a fair catch signal, then just say that. But don't say it can't be a waving signal, because that's not how the rule is being interpreted. Mark is exactly right that fair catches should be one of the simplest determinations in football.
The problem with that definition is the word waving. The motions made by Switzer and Reid in no way resembled waving. If the effing rule is that the returner can't make any signal that could be misconstrued as a fair catch signal, then just say that. But don't say it can't be a waving signal, because that's not how the rule is being interpreted. Mark is exactly right that fair catches should be one of the simplest determinations in football.
Typical rhetoric from the ACC. Either you flag Wake for illegal contact after the fair catch or you let the punt return stand. He made no motion to indicate fair catch.
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