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In all seriousness, can we cut the number of teams that make the field? Having this tournament last Tuesday - Saturday is beyond ridiculous. Attendance will be atrocious (even when it isn't in D.C.). Any suggestions?
I think you should have to have a .500 or better record in the league to participate.
My two suggestions:
Plan 1:
- restrict it to the Top 12 teams (thus making the regular season meaningful.)
- 12 vs. 7, 11 vs 8, 10 vs. 9 -- games take place at 7, 8, 9's home court, respectively, on the previous Sunday. Three teams move on, leaving you with 9 teams like in the 90's. Run the tournament Thursday through Sunday like always (with a play-in game on Thursday night, all games on Friday, Sat, Sun).
Plan 2:
- allow all 15 teams to make the tournament
- the bottom 6 or 7 seeds (depends on if you want to wittle it to an 8- or 9-team field) play at the higher seed's homecourt on the preceding Sunday. Run a couple games concurrently or something. Market it as "ACCT Qualifying Round."
- once those games happen, you've got your 8-team field. No byes. #1 plays lowest remaining seed, and so on. Start on Thursday, end on Saturday. Or start Friday and end Sunday. That condenses it and keeps it exciting, while making it easier for fans to attend more of the tournament.
ETA: I guess on plan 2, what you'd have to do is make the bottom 6 seeds play and wittle it down to a 9-team field. Then just have a play-in game on Wednesday night or Thursday night, depending if you're shooting for a Saturday or Sunday championship game.
Plan 1:
- restrict it to the Top 12 teams (thus making the regular season meaningful.)
- 12 vs. 7, 11 vs 8, 10 vs. 9 -- games take place at 7, 8, 9's home court, respectively, on the previous Sunday. Three teams move on, leaving you with 9 teams like in the 90's. Run the tournament Thursday through Sunday like always (with a play-in game on Thursday night, all games on Friday, Sat, Sun).
Plan 2:
- allow all 15 teams to make the tournament
- the bottom 6 or 7 seeds (depends on if you want to wittle it to an 8- or 9-team field) play at the higher seed's homecourt on the preceding Sunday. Run a couple games concurrently or something. Market it as "ACCT Qualifying Round."
- once those games happen, you've got your 8-team field. No byes. #1 plays lowest remaining seed, and so on. Start on Thursday, end on Saturday. Or start Friday and end Sunday. That condenses it and keeps it exciting, while making it easier for fans to attend more of the tournament.
ETA: I guess on plan 2, what you'd have to do is make the bottom 6 seeds play and wittle it down to a 9-team field. Then just have a play-in game on Wednesday night or Thursday night, depending if you're shooting for a Saturday or Sunday championship game.
^^ would be interested on y'alls thoughts on my plans. I really think if you could get it to a 3-day tournament, that's best for fans, schools, and marketability. It would give you much bigger matchups.
I like plan 1. But they are never going to play less games because more games equal more money. It's odd that basketball has figured that out and football hasn't. Imagine how much more money they could make if it went to an 8 team playoff.
I can't see them making the prelim round be at one of the team's homecourt. While it's good in theory, that ultimately costs the tournament venue money, from having a game at another location, and I imagine the teams that are 7-8-9 getting that additional home game would get extra revenue from that - so whoever is 6th may be tempted to throw an end of season game to get that additional home game revenue? Not sure how likely that is, but it could factor in.
I agree that there should be some alternative method, because the way it is currently clearly isn't ideal. But its tough to get that when trying to balance a bunch of things. I think its important to make the regular season meaningful - which I would say as making sure at least the #1 and #2 teams have less games to play to win than anyone else. It'd be nice if it were something like 1 and 2 get double byes, 3 and 4 get single byes, 5 plays 8, 6 plays 7 (those winners then play 3 and 4, and then in turn the winners of those games play 1 and 2), and the bottom half of the conference isn't invited. That would be a 4 day tourney, but would significantly cut down on the amount of games played, which as 0910 alluded to above, would probably get nixed by the money hungry conference officials. Although when you think about it, I can't imagine they're making a killing off today's FSU/BC game in DC anyways. I'd be surprised if the two of those teams totaled 1000 fans in attendance for the game, on a Tuesday - when their teams are almost assured to be playing in only one game.
I agree that there should be some alternative method, because the way it is currently clearly isn't ideal. But its tough to get that when trying to balance a bunch of things. I think its important to make the regular season meaningful - which I would say as making sure at least the #1 and #2 teams have less games to play to win than anyone else. It'd be nice if it were something like 1 and 2 get double byes, 3 and 4 get single byes, 5 plays 8, 6 plays 7 (those winners then play 3 and 4, and then in turn the winners of those games play 1 and 2), and the bottom half of the conference isn't invited. That would be a 4 day tourney, but would significantly cut down on the amount of games played, which as 0910 alluded to above, would probably get nixed by the money hungry conference officials. Although when you think about it, I can't imagine they're making a killing off today's FSU/BC game in DC anyways. I'd be surprised if the two of those teams totaled 1000 fans in attendance for the game, on a Tuesday - when their teams are almost assured to be playing in only one game.
I'm in favor of any plan that reduces the number of tournament days from 5 to 3. This current format is mind-numbing.
Who would y'all rather face in the first game - Pitt or Syracuse? I'm not jazzed about either. I think both present equally daunting tasks. If it's Pitt, we better be rebounding at full force. They hit the boards hard. If it's Syracuse, that zone will give us fits if we can't hit anything from outside (see duke).
I'm really up in the air but I'll go with Pitt simply because I don't like having to play a team that we beat twice in the reg season.
I'm really up in the air but I'll go with Pitt simply because I don't like having to play a team that we beat twice in the reg season.
Pitt because Syracuse plays that daggum zone and our jump shooting is, well, bad.
Yeah, I get the seeding but does it seem weird to anyone else that ND as the 4 seed may be the beneficiary of playing a team that has already played twice while the Heels will get a team that has only played in one game. I know duke might beat either WFU or moo, but then again, they may not. And having the 4 seed get to play a team that's tired instead of the team that earned the easier path doesn't make sense. It's the same on the other side of the bracket for UVa and Miami. Miami is the beneficiary there. I'm not real sure how to fix that though because UNC shouldn't have to play duke in their first game but they also should be given the easiest path. That's what earning the #1 seed is all about. Y'all know what I'm saying?
Which is why my plan makes a lot of sense. You play 3-4 days before the official ACCT even starts, and get the field down to 9. This means the top 9 teams get a de facto bye, but that's it....no other byes, unless you count it as a bye that the 8/9 would have to play a play-in game. Everybody else has the same amount of rest.
I don't like byes. Play the dang game. It's a tournament. I don't like playoffs in general, in any sport, but I especially don't like byes. If you can't beat a team that's as low a seed as possible from you, then you don't deserve to win it all.
It's equally as bad to have to play a team you embarrassed early in the season.
I can't even imagine the despair / lack of feeling y'all older guys have for these modern day ACC Tourneys....
I'm not even old enough to have lived through the 'golden period' of the ACC, but even I can feel a noticeable lack of excitement and lack of those 'fuzzy feelings' that the ACCT used to give me. Back in the early and mid 2000s I was really, really into Carolina basketball and ACC basketball. My mom would allow me to check out of school and come home and watch the tournament on that Thursday and Friday. I used to know a lot of the players on all the teams. Now I could hardly name you 12 non-UNC ACC players, and can't even pretend to be very excited about this tournament. I just wanna see the Heels win. Bleh.
Also, on the Moo game, they just showed the ACCT bracket and it made my head hurt. A bracket shouldn't look as crazy as these ones look now with all the byes and crap. Also LOL the crowd is pro-Wake in this game.
I'm not even old enough to have lived through the 'golden period' of the ACC, but even I can feel a noticeable lack of excitement and lack of those 'fuzzy feelings' that the ACCT used to give me. Back in the early and mid 2000s I was really, really into Carolina basketball and ACC basketball. My mom would allow me to check out of school and come home and watch the tournament on that Thursday and Friday. I used to know a lot of the players on all the teams. Now I could hardly name you 12 non-UNC ACC players, and can't even pretend to be very excited about this tournament. I just wanna see the Heels win. Bleh.
Also, on the Moo game, they just showed the ACCT bracket and it made my head hurt. A bracket shouldn't look as crazy as these ones look now with all the byes and crap. Also LOL the crowd is pro-Wake in this game.
Ugh, I hate the arc lighting up red every time someone shoots a three. I keep thinking it has something to do with the shot clock. Just another unnecessary gimmick.
They could always reseed like they do in NHL and NFL playoffs - which would ensure that the top seed was always playing the lowest remaining seed (which would also mean the team that has played the most games). It would prevent people from filling out ACCT brackets - but I don't think thats all that popular to begin with.
Playoffs are stupid and you'll never convince me otherwise. Why on God's green earth would you play a 162-game season and then have the champion determined by 3-4 best-of-seven series? Ditto with NBA and its 82-game regular season.
And if you're going to do playoffs, quit allowing half the damn league make said playoffs.
That's what you get for your un-American stance on tournaments. 
Disagree with all this. Byes are a reward for success in the regular season.
Think about how many 3 vs. 14 upsets happen in the NCAA tourney. That crap simply doesn't happen in football. There's no way the 12th-ranked football team would lose to the 56th-ranked football team, so there's no point in having a bye. But those kinds of upsets happen so regularly in basketball, baseball, etc. that the pros play 5- and 7-game series. Since college basketball doesn't have that luxury, I'm all in favor of byes.
Complete aside, I find it so stupid that they decided to keep the name Wake Forest University after moving it to Winston-Salem.
Still not as bad as renaming your entire university because you whored yourself out to a wealthy donor.
Wake had a couple decent looks at a tying 3-pointer. Would've been awesome to send the wolpfack packing on the first day.
Or they could've driven it to the hoop since they had 17 seconds left, and besides Cat no one else on Moo can shoot FTs
Okay, you couldn't pay me to watch this FSU - BC game, so I guess I'm gonna get back to work now. Boston College is the suck in revenue sports. Holy moly.
TOBy never should've left. I still don't understand why he did. He could've retired there and been revered forever in the annals of BC football.
The ACC should give them the boot from the conference. The only sport they're any good at is hockey (#3 in the country), which obviously isn't an ACC sport - so they're beyond useless for the conference. One full academic year without winning a conference game in football and basketball should be grounds for expulsion.
We can't kick them out. They're Notre Dame's reliable slampiece -- the one who's sloppily gross and you don't really feel good about or want your friends to know about, but she always answers your call, even when it's 3 a.m. and you're hammered drunk. And she's always down.
it's been my argument since this last major expansion....top eight teams should only be eligible for a tournament.
as far as state, who the f decides on their uniforms?....that hideous football deal with the dragon on the cleat and now these with the extra large belt area color thingy is just flat out wrong.
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