... another random act of violence 
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-shooting-idUSKBN17K2DJ
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-shooting-idUSKBN17K2DJ
Allahu Akhbar
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Just another day here in the 21st century WAR that radical Islam has declared on the rest of humanity
I'll ask what I always ask, and someone please link it if it exists.......where are the Islamic religious leaders coming out and condoning this attack and other attacks? If a Christian extremist committed an act like this in some warped sense of martyrdom, the Pope and many other religious leaders would immediately publicly condemn it.
I'll ask what I always ask as well...
When does the desire to maintain free from stereotyping give way to depending on facts and statistics to target would-be mass murderers/terrorists?
Asked another way: at what point does a certain percentage of the population accounting for a disproportionate amount of a certain crime (in this case terrorism) become a problem? 1% of the country are Muslim, is it statistically significant if that small a population commits 10% of the mass murders, how about 25%, or 50%?
To be clear, I'd be saying the same thing if it were Christians, Jews, Atheists, Scientologists, or whatever group (religious or not) that were committing 10x, 25x, 50x their "fair share" of mass murders.
When does the desire to maintain free from stereotyping give way to depending on facts and statistics to target would-be mass murderers/terrorists?
Asked another way: at what point does a certain percentage of the population accounting for a disproportionate amount of a certain crime (in this case terrorism) become a problem? 1% of the country are Muslim, is it statistically significant if that small a population commits 10% of the mass murders, how about 25%, or 50%?
To be clear, I'd be saying the same thing if it were Christians, Jews, Atheists, Scientologists, or whatever group (religious or not) that were committing 10x, 25x, 50x their "fair share" of mass murders.
Oh good, this thread again.
Islamic Cultural Center condemns Fresno shootings
After the London attack, Muslims react with fear and anger
Muslim Egyptians donate blood to deadly church blast victims
Congratulations, though, on everyone eagerly lapping up the fear and hatred spoon fed to them by the media. Never mind the 102 other mass shootings that have already occurred this year in the United States. Never mind that multiple deaths occurred in a third of those shootings. Never mind that just two weeks ago, three people were killed in a shooting in Hickory. No, that "random act of violence" won't make headlines because it does nothing to confirm our deep-seated animus towards certain demographic groups. Apparently violent deaths are only concerning when perpetrated by somebody we despise. It's a lot easier to continue ascribing violence to a religion or a race rather than the other contributing factors.
None of this is to say radical Islamic terror isn't a problem. I just find most people's knee-jerk reductionist approach to the issue to be unhelpful.
The perpetrator wasn't an immigrant.
His actions might be better described as a hate crime, not an act of terrorism, since he has a documented history of supporting black nationalism and warning of a race war between blacks and whites. Or maybe we should be focusing on his mental health issues. Or his criminal recidivism. Or how a felon came to possess a firearm. Nah, that sounds way too complicated.
Fresno Muslims, faith leaders call shooter’s ‘Allahu Akbar’ cry a crime against Islam
Islamic Cultural Center condemns Fresno shootings
After the London attack, Muslims react with fear and anger
Muslim Egyptians donate blood to deadly church blast victims
Congratulations, though, on everyone eagerly lapping up the fear and hatred spoon fed to them by the media. Never mind the 102 other mass shootings that have already occurred this year in the United States. Never mind that multiple deaths occurred in a third of those shootings. Never mind that just two weeks ago, three people were killed in a shooting in Hickory. No, that "random act of violence" won't make headlines because it does nothing to confirm our deep-seated animus towards certain demographic groups. Apparently violent deaths are only concerning when perpetrated by somebody we despise. It's a lot easier to continue ascribing violence to a religion or a race rather than the other contributing factors.
None of this is to say radical Islamic terror isn't a problem. I just find most people's knee-jerk reductionist approach to the issue to be unhelpful.
See my statistics above. What percent of those murders were committed by Muslim extremists?
If you're focusing specifically on terrorist acts, then by definition that's going to result in a higher percentage of Muslim perps. Considering most of them haven't been immigrants, though, what do you propose we do about what are essentially random acts of violence?
I have no knowledge of the backstory here - but I'd be willing to wager he didn't come into possession of it legally. Of course, that won't stop the anti-gun crowd from using this as a soap box for increasing restrictions on legally purchasing firearms. Please correct me if he bought the gun legally after being a felon though.
Yes, that's what I'm hoping for an answer on. Since we already know of 1 of the 102 that is Muslim - any additional ones would put them ahead of the 1% of the population that they make up.
How are terrorist acts by definition higher percentage Muslim?
Yes - if they're not primarily immigrants - then immigration reform would be similar to the gun reform straw man I referenced above. In this case - it would make sense to target groups living in the country that are committing a disproportionate amount of these crimes than their population size would indicate. If there is no such group - then focus on the population as a whole.
hahahahahahahahaha.....absolutely brutal....and uncalled for.....very funny tho!!!!
fair and valid points raised by @Raising Heel good post though that made me stop and think!! Thank You!!!
We are doing such a good job of preventing the daily shootings in Chicago and they have some of the strongest gun laws on the books. Wonder how many of those are considered "mass shootings"?
This could have easily been prevented if someone would have put up a few gun-free zone signs.
Black on black crime isn't a big concern for the national media. Until the national media starts to put a focus on Chicago not much will change. In my opinion that situation is an example of racism at an institutional level.
I don't see the racism as much as the political correctness.
I tend to agree. The media only cares about black victims if it's a white assailant. If a deranged white dude went to Southside Chicago and shot and killed three black people, the media fallout would be of titanic proportions. But... when 55 people are shot -- 5 of them fatally -- in a single weekend like this past New Year's, it's not really a big deal apparently.
Maybe, but I think it's more than that when it comes to Chicago. The amount of murders and shootings that are happening there is just crazy. 176 dead so far this year and over 900 shootings. It's not just a bunch of drug dealers that are getting killed either. There are kids getting killed and no one gives a shit for the most part.
45 people shot, 2 of them fatally, on Easter weekend. I guess they are making progress on the holidays.
I have no idea either but agree it'll become a talking point for gun control activists. My point was that there are often multiple contributing factors, or sometimes systemic failures, when senseless violence like this occurs. I still believe that despite our best efforts, if someone is determined enough to perpetrate acts of violence there's little that can be done to stop them.
Police have initially classified the Fresno shooting as a hate crime, not an act of terror. The Fort Lauderdale airport shooting was similarly classified: Investigators stated that during initial interviews, the suspect said that he had been under "government mind control" and "hearing voices" before the attack. This discussion could just as easily be about our failures in mental healthcare, but it's not nearly as much fun to vilify crazy people.
10 of the 102 from the linked list, which is obviously disproportionately high. The statement that Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws is a bit misleading, according to Chicago Police and the Mayor, since 60% of illegally owned guns are purchased out of state. Take that for what it's worth.
Ya. Blacks killing Blacks doesn't drive pageviews - so they don't give an F about it. Only when there is some sort of angle that can be played is when they decide to cover the story (racist white guy kills black guy... thug black guy kills white honor roll student... etc.)
Not sure I agree with the last sentence, but the rest of it sure. Bottom line is it only makes headlines if it has shock value: the guy live-streaming a shooting spree on Facebook, racially motivated shootings (hate crimes), religiously motivated shootings (terrorism), etc. Any run-of-the-mill bar shooting like the one in Hickory is just taken in stride.
ETA: ^^^ Hark beat me to it. The media sucks. Kill your TV, and maybe your other electronic devices too.
Agreed on this. That might stem from it being difficult to prove things such as that. I hope that people who truly need mental healthcare get the help they need. However, I could go out and commit a bunch of crime and then say I heard voices and that my dog told me to do it. There'd be some people out there who would feel bad for me and believe me and condemn the mental healthcare in this country - which is an issue.
Ya. Considering Jesus was Arab, he probably didn't look anything like what this guy thought he did.
Never said you did. I thought it was funny as well, for the reason I stated.
