Another 150 Clinton E-Mails Classified

[Nuk'EM Heels]

BREAKING: State Department says 150 more Hillary Clinton emails have been 'upgraded' to classified status in the release scheduled for tonight

• State will publish about 7,000 pages of emails at 9:00 p.m. from Hillary's private home-brew server after scouring them for classified material
• Another 150 messages will be added to the 63 that were already classified retroactively
• Clinton faces political pressure from both her right and left flanks as her email crisis deepens
• Asked if he could state categorically that Clinton 'followed the rules and the law,' a State Department spokesman said: 'I'm just not going to answer that question'

 

[BillyL]

Wut . . . ? Wait a minute. Is this a duplicate thread . . ? Is it now another 150 on top of the first 150, so, is that 300 total now . . . ?

I'm confused . .

 

[tarheelbybirth]

• Another 150 messages will be added to the 63 that were already classified retroactively

Meaning, of course, that none of them was classified at the time they were sent.

 

[UNC71-00]

• Another 150 messages will be added to the 63 that were already classified retroactively

Meaning, of course, that none of them was classified at the time they were sent.

Dont have to be. If someone passes information that is recognizable as material which should be classified, such as SIGINT, that material is to be classified and the breach reported. And everyone in DC who deals with classified info knows this.

There is a simple question which has yet to be answered: If HRC did not use her private server to send and received classifed information, then what system did she use to do so?

 

[UNC '92]

Dont have to be. If someone passes information that is recognizable as material which should be classified, such as SIGINT, that material is to be classified and the breach reported. And everyone in DC who deals with classified info knows this.

There is a simple question which has yet to be answered: If HRC did not use her private server to send and received classifed information, then what system did she use to do so?

And it isn't like she didn't receive instruction on why/when/how to know when information should be deemed as classified. Everyone who potentially handles classified info is trained. Specifically, department heads of state are bound by EO-13526. From Executive Order 13526 regarding classified national security information:

All original classification authorities must receive training in proper classification (including the avoidance of over-classification) and declassification as provided in this order and its implementing directives at least once a calendar year. Such training must include instruction on the proper safeguarding of classified information and on the sanctions in section 5.5 of this order that may be brought against an individual who fails to classify information properly or protect classified information from unauthorized disclosure. Original classification authorities who do not receive such mandatory training at least once within a calendar year shall have their classification authority suspended by the agency head or the senior agency official designated under section 5.4(d) of this order until such training has taken place. A waiver may be granted by the agency head, the deputy agency head, or the senior agency official if an individual is unable to receive such training due to unavoidable circumstances. Whenever a waiver is granted, the individual shall receive such training as soon as practicable.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

• Another 150 messages will be added to the 63 that were already classified retroactively

Meaning, of course, that none of them was classified at the time they were sent.

no, it means they were as classified on the day they were sent as they are classified today.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

BREAKING: Hillary Intentionally Originated And Distributed Highly Classified Information

A review of recently released e-mails shows that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton repeatedly originated and distributed highly classified national security information. Clinton’s classified e-mail missives were not constrained to State Department staff, either. She also sent classified information to Sidney Blumenthal, a former Clinton White House operative banned by the Obama White House.

An analysis by The Federalist of e-mails released by the State Department late Monday shows that scores of e-mails sent by Clinton contained highly confidential national security information from the beginning, even if they weren’t marked by a classification authority until later.

The original date of classification of Hillary’s e-mails can be discerned by noting the declassification dates noted next to redactions in the e-mails. Under a 2009 executive order signed by President Barack Obama, classified material in most circumstances is to be automatically declassified after 10 years. In some instances, that duration may be extended up to 25 years. In certain circumstances, classification authorities may adjust the classification duration based on the nature of the underlying information.

In this July 2010 e-mail, for example, the entirety of Hillary Clinton’s message was redacted prior to its public release under the federal FOIA law. The redactions of the material were provided pursuant to a provision of law protecting national security information. The printed redaction code “1.4(D),” cited next to the redaction and at the top of the document next to the official classification date, pertains to information on “[f]oreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources[.]” At the top of the document, a declassification date of July 1, 2025 is clearly noted:

 

[UNC71-00]

Suppose HRC has a conversation with CIA wherein CIA tells HRC something classified which will help her in negotiations with another nation.

HRC then sends an email to someone else relaying parts of the clssified information learned in the meeting with CIA.

Will this email be marked "classified"? If so, by who?

 

[UNC71-00]

I still want to know what system she used to send and receive classfied data over email if she didnt use her own server. Should be easy to find, right?

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

Classified and unclassified systems are separated physically (hardware infrastructure) and virtually (software). Never the two shall twain, as it were... The only way for someone to get verbatim classified information from a classified system onto an unclassified system (or, onto an unauthorized home-brew system as HRC concocted) is: Door #1) illegally transcribe the information from hardcopy or electronic copy from the classified system to the unclassified system; or Door #2) somehow, illegally electronically transfer the information between systems (extremely difficult, if not impossible, to do...). I think Door #2 is what has happened here. Either by HRC or one of her aides.

 

[UNC71-00]

Classified and unclassified systems are separated physically (hardware infrastructure) and virtually (software). Never the two shall twain, as it were... The only way for someone to get verbatim classified information from a classified system onto an unclassified system (or, onto an unauthorized home-brew system as HRC concocted) is: Door #1) illegally transcribe the information from hardcopy or electronic copy from the classified system to the unclassified system; or Door #2) somehow, illegally electronically transfer the information between systems (extremely difficult, if not impossible, to do...). I think Door #2 is what has happened here. Either by HRC or one of her aides.

Correct. But you are missing my point. If HRC, according to her, did not use her bathroom server to send and receive classified info, then she should be able to point us to the system she did use, correct? Ostensibly, this should be the State Dept's secure system, right?

So Hillary, just show us all where you were legitimately conducting classified affairs, since, as you say, you didn't use the bathroom server for this.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

Correct. But you are missing my point. If HRC, according to her, did not use her bathroom server to send and receive classified info, then she should be able to point us to the system she did use, correct? Ostensibly, this should be the State Dept's secure system, right?

So Hillary, just show us all where you were legitimately conducting classified affairs, since, as you say, you didn't use the bathroom server for this.

You're right, if she didn't process classified on her bathroom server, then she had to have another means of electronically processing that information. State Dept has indicated she did not maintain the required accounts on the secure government servers, so that certainly begs the question you are posing...

Now, way back in the day (+30 years ago...), message traffic was routed as hardcopy to individuals with a need to know, but as far back as I can remember such message traffic has been handled on email servers with the appropriate security levels for the information being processed. I highly doubt HRC was routed hardcopy of every single piece of classified material she ever had to process in order to do her job. Such an explanation for the question you are posing simply wouldn't hold water, especially for the FBI who knows how this should work.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

***UPDATE***
Clinton email markings changed to hide classified info - a new twist...

At least four classified Hillary Clinton emails had their markings changed to a category that shields the content from Congress and the public, Fox News has learned, in what State Department whistleblowers believed to be an effort to hide the true extent of classified information on the former secretary of state’s server.
The changes, which came to light after the first tranche of 296 Benghazi emails was released in May, was confirmed by two sources -- one congressional, the other intelligence. The four emails originally were marked classified after a review by career officials at the State Department. But after a second review by the department's legal office, the designation was switched to "B5" -- also known as "deliberative process," which refers to internal deliberations by the Executive Branch. Such discussions are exempt from public release.
The B5 coding has the effect, according to a congressional source, of dropping the email content "down a deep black hole."
The four mails are separate and distinct from another group of emails identified by the Intelligence Community Inspector General as containing two messages with "Top Secret" information.
A congressional source told Fox that a July 23rd letter to Congress from the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community made passing reference to the incident in the recommendations "...that State FOIA officials implement a dispute resolution process in regard to differences of opinion about classification levels and exemptions. State has not yet provided sufficient information for us to close this recommendations."

 

[UNC71-00]

There's the smoking bazooka we all knew was there somewhere

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

This is a steady, daily drip of evidence that makes it more likely lands in jail vice winning any elected office. No way she could ever be issued a security clearance again under these circumstances. Which is problematic should she actually hoodwink enough DEMs to win the nomination... HRC going' to jail...

 

[BillyL]

NukEEEE . .

HRC going' to jail...

You seem to know a lot of whats going on with this, and even more convinced you know the ultimate outcome.

You wouldn't want to wage some money on this claim of yours would you . . . ?

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

NukEEEE . .


You seem to know a lot of whats going on with this, and even more convinced you know the ultimate outcome.

You wouldn't want to wage some money on this claim of yours would you . . . ?

No, but I'm pretty sure she's heading for jail. Don't see how she avoids it...

 

[UNC71-00]

I will wager she is convicted of a crime and withdraws from election. If she gets jail time I would expect Barry to pardon her before time is served.

 

[Heels in Space]

If Petraeus didn't get jail time, what makes you think Hillary will? His offense seems significantly worse, at least based on what we know right now. And hasn't Colin Powell admitted to doing the exact same thing as Hillary when he was SOS?

 

[UNC71-00]

If Petraeus didn't get jail time, what makes you think Hillary will? His offense seems significantly worse, at least based on what we know right now. And hasn't Colin Powell admitted to doing the exact same thing as Hillary when he was SOS?

No, Petraeus was not at all worse- not even close- not even in the same universe. That's like comparing involuntary manslaughter to 2nd degree murder. And Powell admitted to occasionally using his personal email account, not setting up a whole private email server to circumvent all government email policy, protocol and keep what should be government property out of the hands of the public.

You boys are trying to downplay and confuse it into nothing. Unfortunately though for you, the FBI doesn't treat significant breaches of national security as lightly as do the Clintons. And even more unfortunately for you, the FBI is much smarter and much more determined than your average journalist who reports on HRC.

Scott Walker nailed it: The Chinese and Russians know more about Hillary's emails than do Congress and the American people.

 

[BillyL]

I will wager she is convicted of a crime and withdraws from election.

How much . . . ?

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

If Petraeus didn't get jail time, what makes you think Hillary will? His offense seems significantly worse, at least based on what we know right now. And hasn't Colin Powell admitted to doing the exact same thing as Hillary when he was SOS?

No comparison. And, there are examples of this administration prosecuting underlings for the exact same thing....

 

[strummingram]

Hillary Clinton will not be going to any prison. I don't mean to imply she's not guilty or shouldn't go. But, people like that don't go to jail... With a few rare exceptions- William Tweed comes to mind. He was just a NYC guy. Hillary is a global politician. They don't go to jail.

 

[UNC71-00]

How much . . . ?

$20?

 

[Heels in Space]

No, Petraeus was not at all worse- not even close- not even in the same universe. That's like comparing involuntary manslaughter to 2nd degree murder. And Powell admitted to occasionally using his personal email account, not setting up a whole private email server to circumvent all government email policy, protocol and keep what should be government property out of the hands of the public.

You boys are trying to downplay and confuse it into nothing. Unfortunately though for you, the FBI doesn't treat significant breaches of national security as lightly as do the Clintons. And even more unfortunately for you, the FBI is much smarter and much more determined than your average journalist who reports on HRC.

I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I'm also not out for her blood, so I'm just trying to understand. It seems to me that giving highly classified information to a writer you're banging is worse than sending potentially classified emails from an unsecured server for government business. If it came out that Hillary had an affair with a writer, and she gave him top secret information, you wouldn't think that was worse?

And we must have different understandings of Powell's situation. What I read said he used a personal email account to conduct business with other state department officials, just like Hillary, and he assumed that because he was sending official business emails to state department email addresses, they would be preserved on that end.

And what about when the Bush White House deleted 22 million emails that had been sent from a private email server hosted by the RNC? Who went to jail over that? I think you guys are just a little too excited about this story.

 

[BillyL]

$20?

I'm in.

 

[UNC71-00]

I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I'm also not out for her blood, so I'm just trying to understand. It seems to me that giving highly classified information to a writer you're banging is worse than sending potentially classified emails from an unsecured server for government business. If it came out that Hillary had an affair with a writer, and she gave him top secret information, you wouldn't think that was worse?

And we must have different understandings of Powell's situation. What I read said he used a personal email account to conduct business with other state department officials, just like Hillary, and he assumed that because he was sending official business emails to state department email addresses, they would be preserved on that end.

And what about when the Bush White House deleted 22 million emails that had been sent from a private email server hosted by the RNC? Who went to jail over that? I think you guys are just a little too excited about this story.

First off, Petraeus should have gone to jail too.

Second, what Petraeus did was akin to going to the classified vault, removing a few pieces of information and passing it to someone he knew. Hillary went to the vault, took out a huge stack, and left it sitting on a park bench where she was known to frequent. This same park bench happened to be sitting outside a 24hr Kinkos with tinted windows. And no security cameras within miles.

Powell occasionally used personal email to send out State dept memos. He did not set up a whole server and have every single email that he sent or received processed and stored on that outside of purview email server.

Again, there's a very simple question that Hillary could answer that would make this all go away: "Mrs. Clinton, if you didn't use your private server to send and receive classified emails, then what government email system did you use to do so?"

As far as the Bush server, it has been determined that it was set up so as to avoid government archival. No one alleges that any classified material went through this server. Hillary did the exact same thing as the RNC server, but went ahead and used it for classified information as well as those which are just politically damaging. So she should be skewered twice.

And furthermore, no one is accusing GWB of anything- only his minions. The trail from Hillary's server leads straight to her, which is a monumental difference.

You are trying to compare apples to unicorns.

 

[Heels in Space]

First off, Petraeus should have gone to jail too.

Second, what Petraeus did was akin to going to the classified vault, removing a few pieces of information and passing it to someone he knew. Hillary went to the vault, took out a huge stack, and left it sitting on a park bench where she was known to frequent. This same park bench happened to be sitting outside a 24hr Kinkos with tinted windows. And no security cameras within miles.

Powell occasionally used personal email to send out State dept memos. He did not set up a whole server and have every single email that he sent or received processed and stored on that outside of purview email server.

Again, there's a very simple question that Hillary could answer that would make this all go away: "Mrs. Clinton, if you didn't use your private server to send and receive classified emails, then what government email system did you use to do so?"

As far as the Bush server, it has been determined that it was set up so as to avoid government archival. No one alleges that any classified material went through this server. Hillary did the exact same thing as the RNC server, but went ahead and used it for classified information as well as those which are just politically damaging. So she should be skewered twice.

And furthermore, no one is accusing GWB of anything- only his minions. The trail from Hillary's server leads straight to her, which is a monumental difference.

You are trying to compare apples to unicorns.

I admit there are differences between these situations, but they are matters of degree. Apples to pineapples maybe, but not unicorns.

I do take issue with a couple of your characterizations, though. No one knows what Powell or the Bush White House sent on those private email addresses, because every last email sent on them was destroyed. Would any of it have implicated Bush? No one knows because ALL 22 MILLION were intentionally destroyed before investigators could see them. Did Powell send classified information over private email? We have no idea because he didn't save any of them.

Look, I'm not saying that what Hillary did was right (or even necessarily legal). It just doesn't seem that much different from what others have done in the past when no one went to jail. And that was my only point from the beginning: She may suffer politically, but she won't go to jail.

 

[UNC71-00]

I admit there are differences between these situations, but they are matters of degree. Apples to pineapples maybe, but not unicorns.

I do take issue with a couple of your characterizations, though. No one knows what Powell or the Bush White House sent on those private email addresses, because every last email sent on them was destroyed. Would any of it have implicated Bush? No one knows because ALL 22 MILLION were intentionally destroyed before investigators could see them. Did Powell send classified information over private email? We have no idea because he didn't save any of them.

Look, I'm not saying that what Hillary did was right (or even necessarily legal). It just doesn't seem that much different from what others have done in the past when no one went to jail. And that was my only point from the beginning: She may suffer politically, but she won't go to jail.

Not true. Emails have a sending party and receiving party. Destroying only half doesn't wipe anything out. Hillary was outed by another source long after her superficial hard drive deletion.

It is naive to think that if GWB White House had been routing classified emails through a unsanctioned server that others (the senders or recipients) would not have outed him by now. And in the cases of both Bush and Powell, they can point to the sanctioned servers they used to handle classified data. Why doesn't Hillary do the same?

It is easy to get caught up in the minutiae of this, but bottom line is that when our intelligence communications are compromised, our nation becomes less secure and sometimes, real live people serving our country actually die as a direct result.

Not only did Hillary compromise our security, she conspired to compromise our security. She needs to be charged, convicted and removed from public service, at least those positions which require any level of security clearance. I don't believe that she will go to jail, but I am confident she is on her last leg. This is serious shit.

 

[Heels in Space]

Not only did Hillary compromise our security, she conspired to compromise our security.

This is where the rubber meets the road IMO. When it comes to criminal offenses, intent matters. If she's telling the truth that the emails were not classified when she sent them, then it seems like a much lesser offense than if she intentionally sent emails that she knew to be classified through an unsecured server. The former might be negligent, but the latter is criminal.

 

[UNC71-00]

This is where the rubber meets the road IMO. When it comes to criminal offenses, intent matters. If she's telling the truth that the emails were not classified when she sent them, then it seems like a much lesser offense than if she intentionally sent emails that she knew to be classified through an unsecured server. The former might be negligent, but the latter is criminal.

There is no way she didn't know the emails were classified in nature. Anything that comes from SIGINT is always classified. And there is no way to not know that the material came from SIGINT.

 

[Heels in Space]

There is no way she didn't know the emails were classified in nature. Anything that comes from SIGINT is always classified. And there is no way to not know that the material came from SIGINT.

Isn't this just a couple of them, though, out of thousands? And the rest were only marked later? I confess I haven't been following it as closely as you and Nuk'. At any rate, if this takes down her presidential ambitions, I won't lose any sleep. I just doubt she'll go to jail, but I've been wrong before.

 

[UNC71-00]

Isn't this just a couple of them, though, out of thousands? And the rest were only marked later? I confess I haven't been following it as closely as you and Nuk'. At any rate, if this takes down her presidential ambitions, I won't lose any sleep. I just doubt she'll go to jail, but I've been wrong before.

Shes not going to jail, I agree.

And saying it was marked later is semantics. If Hillary sent out an email which contained classified information, it is up to Hillary to mark it as classified and send through the properly secured servers. Just because she didnt mark an email as classified doesnt get her off the hook for disseminating classified info over a server less secure than the one at your public library.

To simplify:
Step 1- Hillary sends out email which should have been marked classified
Step 2- Recipient opens email, recognizes it should have been marked classified, and then marks it as classified before forwarding.
Step 3- Hillary claims email wasn't marked classified when she sent it, so therefore, she did nothing wrong.

Well no shit Hillary. And the reason it wasn't marked was because you didn't mark it.

 

[prlyles]

This brings up an interesting question. Could we elect a person president that can't pass a security clearance? With Trump and Clinton running it is something to think about....lol

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I'm also not out for her blood, so I'm just trying to understand. It seems to me that giving highly classified information to a writer you're banging is worse than sending potentially classified emails from an unsecured server for government business. If it came out that Hillary had an affair with a writer, and she gave him top secret information, you wouldn't think that was worse?

And we must have different understandings of Powell's situation. What I read said he used a personal email account to conduct business with other state department officials, just like Hillary, and he assumed that because he was sending official business emails to state department email addresses, they would be preserved on that end.

And what about when the Bush White House deleted 22 million emails that had been sent from a private email server hosted by the RNC? Who went to jail over that? I think you guys are just a little too excited about this story.

The difference is that HRC's case has now been referred to the FBI and they are conducting a serious investigation. No such investigations have been opened against CP or GWB's WH personnel. The FBI will pursue this vigorously if that agency has any integrity left in the wake of the complete politicization of DOJ by Obama and Holder.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

***UPDATE***
Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton and her family reportedly paid a State Department staffer to maintain the private email server she used during her tenure as secretary of state.

The Washington Post, citing an unnamed campaign official, reports the arrangement helped Clinton maintain her personal control over the server that she used to conduct public and private business. The official also said it also ensured that taxpayers weren’t paying for the upkeep of the server that was shared by Clinton, her husband, the former president, and their daughter as well as former aides, the Post reports.

The State Department staffer in question, Bryan Pagliano, told a congressional committee that he would invoke his Fifth Amendment rights instead of testifying about the private server. A congressional source told Fox News on Friday that investigators on the Benghazi Select Committee hoped to question Pagliano, a former IT specialist, over possible destruction of evidence.

Pagliano served as Clinton’s IT director of her 2008 campaign committee and then on her political action committee, according to The Post. He installed and managed her server and left his IT job at the State Department in February 2013, the same month Clinton stepped down as secretary.

The Post reports the Clintons paid Pagliano $5,000 for “computer services” prior to him joining the State Department, according to a 2009 financial disclosure form he filed. After he arrived on the State Department’s staff in 2009, he continued to be paid by the Clintons to maintain the server, a campaign official and another person familiar with the arrangement told The Post.

When asked about whether the former IT specialist had been paid privately to maintain the server, a State Department official said the agency “found no evidence that he ever informed the department that he had outside income,” The Post reports. This week, a different State Department official, couldn’t clarify to the newspaper Pagliano’s pay situation.


Pagliano reportedly didn’t list any outside income in the required personal financial disclosures he filed each year. The Post reports he remains a State Department contractor doing work on “mobile and remote computing functions,’ according to the State Department.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

***UPDATE***

A new review by two intelligence agencies has backed up an earlier conclusion that at least two emails on Hillary Clinton's personal server contained "top secret" information.

The review by the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency went back to the original source documents, and follows the finding last month by the intelligence community inspector general that emails on the former secretary of state's system contained information at the highest classification level. This included intelligence on special programs about North Korea's nuclear weapons.

Fox News is told the CIA and NGA did the review because their intelligence was at issue. Only the intelligence agency that gets the information in the first place has the authority to determine its classification.

In both emails, the State Department did not generate the intelligence, and therefore did not have classification authority. The inspector general's August report simply transmitted the classification findings of the CIA and NGA.

In a statement, Andrea Williams, a spokeswoman for the intelligence community inspector general, said "the overall classification of those two emails remains unchanged. Both emails were classified when they were created and remain classified now."

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

***UPDATE***

WASHINGTON – There are gaps totaling five months in the Hillary Clinton emails released by the State Department, the watchdog group Judicial Watch announced Monday morning.
The revelation emerged after a court ordered the release of State Department documents as part of Judicial Watch’s effort to obtain Clinton emails under the Freedom of Information Act.

Emails sent and received by Clinton on her private server are missing over periods totaling five months, beginning when she took office as secretary of state in February 2009.
Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said the gaps indicate Clinton lied under oath when she said all her emails had been turned over, and it suggested government officials had not turned over everything they were required to deliver.
Fitton said other State Department officials, including the one in charge of email production, Patrick Kennedy, previously had been informed of the five-month gap.

The gap in emails received by Clinton run from Jan. 21, 2009 to March 17, 2009. The gaps in emails sent by Clinton from from Jan. 21, 2009 to April 12, 2009, and from Dec. 30, 2012 to Feb. 1, 2013.
Judicial Watch said the revelation of the email gap casts doubt on whether Clinton told the truth when she declared under oath, “I have directed that all of my emails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or potentially or potentially were federal records be provided to the Department of State.”

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

***UPDATE***
Most interesting:
"The source also told Fox News an FBI "A-team" is leading the "extremely serious" investigation into Clinton's server and the focus includes a provision of the law pertaining to "gathering, transmitting or losing defense information. The section of the Espionage Act in question is known as 18 US Code 793."

"A separate source, who also was not authorized to speak on the record, said the FBI will further determine whether Clinton should have known, based on the quality and detail of the material, that emails passing through her server contained classified information regardless of the markings. The campaign's standard defense and that of Clinton is that she "never sent nor received any email that was marked classified" at the time."

 

[BillyL]