Will be interesting to see how this unfolds. UVA is most certainly not the team they were in January/February, largely because of the Anderson injury. There is no way that offense gets to the Final Four.
Are UVA and dook still #1 seeds??
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IDK bleed, out of the conference teams just are not going to be ready for the way UVa defends and with therm it is always about their defense more than their offense. It really depends on how much Anderson can be ready to play, he really struggled last night with that hand and in truth the luck of the draw when it comes to matchups.
Are duke & UVa still 1 seeds, yeah, I think so but Arizona & Villinova could knock one of them out and we all know that isn't likely to be duke. So Uva could find themselves dropped to the 2 line, at best they are more likely to have to play out west as a one in the tuffest bracket while duke will some how find themselves in what looks like more of a cake walk to the elite 8.
IF and I say IF we are able to beat ND tonight the way the selection committee has treated us over the last few years I suspect keeps us as a 4 (I think we locked up a 4 seed last night, how could we not after just beating Lville and Uva).
I think so. It's not as if there are a host of #2s that obviously needed only to win their conference and be proven #1 seeds.
That said, while I think Nova's #1 the most most questionable, it is assured with a Big East tourney title. And if both Arizona and Wisconsin were to win their tourneys, they each would have a great argument for a #1.
I think the committee willl decide tonight, probably keeping both UVA and the team from Durham as #1s. If they do that and give Nova either Arizona or Wisconsin as its #2, and give UK Gonzaga as its #2, then the top 8 will be as good, as balanced, as we could hope.
And as UVA may not get back to its full power before the injury, I'd say make either Arizona or Wisconsin its #2.
That said, while I think Nova's #1 the most most questionable, it is assured with a Big East tourney title. And if both Arizona and Wisconsin were to win their tourneys, they each would have a great argument for a #1.
I think the committee willl decide tonight, probably keeping both UVA and the team from Durham as #1s. If they do that and give Nova either Arizona or Wisconsin as its #2, and give UK Gonzaga as its #2, then the top 8 will be as good, as balanced, as we could hope.
And as UVA may not get back to its full power before the injury, I'd say make either Arizona or Wisconsin its #2.
I would imagine both will stay #1's, but they may be stuck in a bad bracket or out west somewhere for the later rounds. Of the two, I think UVA has more to worry about because they have not looked the same since Anderson went out. He doesn't look confident out there right now and almost looks like he is in some pain.
I think dook will stay a #1 because the NCAA loves them and K and for some reason so do a lot of idiots out there. Make no mistake about it, they won't get near as many favorable calls in the tourney because most refs come from other conferences and aren't going to listen to K's crap. And you sure as hell won't see Winslow come in with a flying kick on another player and get away with it. Dook, despite being so "disadvantaged" with only 8 scholarship players, is still a dangerous team, but given their history over the last few years I sure wouldn't bet on them to make it past the Sweet 16. My guess is this loss yesterday wakes them up some and they will play good for their first two games, but then will struggle. Like I said, they might be an elite 8 team, but I sure wouldn't bet on it.
I think UVa has the talent and type of game that can carry them deep, but as we saw last night when they have to stretch things out they are vulnerable. They also rely heavily on making shots deep into the shot clock so if they get behind they seem to struggle more. They just don't look comfortable playing from behind.
If Lunardy is even close with his latest predictions dook has a pretty easy bracket and could go far. We look to be screwed with our bracket that he just put out, but fortunately Joe has been hit and miss on most predictions over the years, so I don't put a lot into his "bracketology". Either way, this is an odd year because outside of UK no one else looks unstoppable. Usually there are a couple of teams that you figure will be shoe-ins, but this year it really isn't that way. Any number of teams could make it to the Final 4, but I still think this is UK's year. If they lose today I look for them to be so focused that they will be like our last title team and will roll over just about everyone.
Should be interesting either way.
I think dook will stay a #1 because the NCAA loves them and K and for some reason so do a lot of idiots out there. Make no mistake about it, they won't get near as many favorable calls in the tourney because most refs come from other conferences and aren't going to listen to K's crap. And you sure as hell won't see Winslow come in with a flying kick on another player and get away with it. Dook, despite being so "disadvantaged" with only 8 scholarship players, is still a dangerous team, but given their history over the last few years I sure wouldn't bet on them to make it past the Sweet 16. My guess is this loss yesterday wakes them up some and they will play good for their first two games, but then will struggle. Like I said, they might be an elite 8 team, but I sure wouldn't bet on it.
I think UVa has the talent and type of game that can carry them deep, but as we saw last night when they have to stretch things out they are vulnerable. They also rely heavily on making shots deep into the shot clock so if they get behind they seem to struggle more. They just don't look comfortable playing from behind.
If Lunardy is even close with his latest predictions dook has a pretty easy bracket and could go far. We look to be screwed with our bracket that he just put out, but fortunately Joe has been hit and miss on most predictions over the years, so I don't put a lot into his "bracketology". Either way, this is an odd year because outside of UK no one else looks unstoppable. Usually there are a couple of teams that you figure will be shoe-ins, but this year it really isn't that way. Any number of teams could make it to the Final 4, but I still think this is UK's year. If they lose today I look for them to be so focused that they will be like our last title team and will roll over just about everyone.
Should be interesting either way.
UVA is a 1. Duke is borderline 1/2. Losing to UNC isn't really a big deal. We are 12th in the RPI. Notre Dame is right there too.
Cookies currently ranked ahead of Wahoos in AP poll....they both lost...my logic tells me if anybody slips to a #2 it would be the Cavs
I know the ACC is the best conference but it really should not have 2 at large 1 seeds. Dook didnt win the regular season or the tournament compared to a team like Wisconsin or Arizona who will likely win both
Bleed, I would LOVE that, too! But I don't see it as too likely. I am just thinking there will likely be UVA and Duke there as 1's or 2s , but the way Lunardi shows the brackets, can they work it to also have us (a 4 most likely, or a 3 if somehow the NCAA all of a sudden loves us)..... in that same close to home region?
I live in a suburb of Minneapolis, but my sister lives in Charlotte, and got us tickets long ago. I am looking forward to the vacation time, regardless of who is playing, but it would just be awesome if it were the heels.
Bleed if you are at the games, maybe we could meet up if it works out. I can send you my e-mail if you wish. Let me know. I'll have lots of time to kill at the games. I'll buy you a beer.
You gotta think that Kentucky, 'Zona and Wisky are locks for a #1 seed right now. I think UVA snags that last #1.
I can't recall another #1 that wasn't either their reg. season or tournament champions. . . and honestly, there's not a heck of a lot of difference between a 1 and a 2.
I can't recall another #1 that wasn't either their reg. season or tournament champions. . . and honestly, there's not a heck of a lot of difference between a 1 and a 2.
It's funny how a loss at the same level of the tournament affects UVA one way and Dook another way?
Just like there big can run over the player guarding him everytime he touches the ball but every other big man is fouling when he does the same thing!
Dook loss they stay a 1 UVA loss they fall I don't get it, can anyone help with the logic and not the logic that we all know but the talking heads reason for this?
This post was edited on 3/14 5:58 PM by notashelbyfan
Just like there big can run over the player guarding him everytime he touches the ball but every other big man is fouling when he does the same thing!
Dook loss they stay a 1 UVA loss they fall I don't get it, can anyone help with the logic and not the logic that we all know but the talking heads reason for this?
This post was edited on 3/14 5:58 PM by notashelbyfan
Sounds great dude .. yeah drop me an email at: rshabh7977@aol.comOriginally posted by Heelicious:
Bleed, I would LOVE that, too! But I don't see it as too likely. I am just thinking there will likely be UVA and Duke there as 1's or 2s , but the way Lunardi shows the brackets, can they work it to also have us (a 4 most likely, or a 3 if somehow the NCAA all of a sudden loves us)..... in that same close to home region?
I live in a suburb of Minneapolis, but my sister lives in Charlotte, and got us tickets long ago. I am looking forward to the vacation time, regardless of who is playing, but it would just be awesome if it were the heels.
Bleed if you are at the games, maybe we could meet up if it works out. I can send you my e-mail if you wish. Let me know. I'll have lots of time to kill at the games. I'll buy you a beer.
We'll know in 24 hours where we're playing ... fingers crossed.
The biggest reason UVA will be a 2 seed is because of the uncertainty surrounding Justin Anderson.
Any other team that goes 29-3 in the ACC with all losses to ranked teams by a total of 12 points is a 1-seed lock.
Because UVA just hasn't looked as good lately will be why we drop to a 2.
Any other team that goes 29-3 in the ACC with all losses to ranked teams by a total of 12 points is a 1-seed lock.
Because UVA just hasn't looked as good lately will be why we drop to a 2.
Had Nova lost, they would have been a #2 seed. They're clearly a #1. If Wisconsin wins they'll be a #1 as well. The last #1 seed is clearly either Duke or UVA and I think Virginia is going to get it. They have the regular season title (Duke hasn't), they have fewer losses overall and fewer bad losses compared to Duke. I don't think Duke playing a tougher inter-conference, out conference, and a head-to-head win at Virginia is going to offset that.
I don't see Arizona getting a #1 seed. ACC >>>>> Pac 12. Virginia has better wins than Arizona. Virginia's losses were to top 20 teams, Zona's losses were to teams that may not be in the NIT let-alone the NCAA tournament.
I don't see Arizona getting a #1 seed. ACC >>>>> Pac 12. Virginia has better wins than Arizona. Virginia's losses were to top 20 teams, Zona's losses were to teams that may not be in the NIT let-alone the NCAA tournament.
Don't wanna be that guy, but some of you are being kinda irrational.
I hate Duke too, but they beat Virginia head to head, on their homecourt. I think that holds significant weight if they had to pick one over the other, seeing as only one loss separates the two teams.
and they also did beat Wisconsin at their place, which is one of the hardest places to play, so I don't see Wisco jumping them.
Duke is very easy to shit on, for obvious reasons, but you can't look at their resume and deny them a #1 seed, as good as the ACC has been this year.
For what its also worth, I still think Virginia keeps their #1 seed as well, they had a light ACC schedule, but regardless they won the league, and it's the best league in college basketball.
I hate Duke too, but they beat Virginia head to head, on their homecourt. I think that holds significant weight if they had to pick one over the other, seeing as only one loss separates the two teams.
and they also did beat Wisconsin at their place, which is one of the hardest places to play, so I don't see Wisco jumping them.
Duke is very easy to shit on, for obvious reasons, but you can't look at their resume and deny them a #1 seed, as good as the ACC has been this year.
For what its also worth, I still think Virginia keeps their #1 seed as well, they had a light ACC schedule, but regardless they won the league, and it's the best league in college basketball.
Good post, piheadlarry93 . . . and welcome to the board.
dOOk also had a pretty bad home loss to Miami (16 points) and a road loss to NCState by 12 . .
I don't think the ACC gets 2 #1 seeds for the tourney . . going by the BPI, I think the top 4 teams UK, Wisky, 'Zona and UVA get the top seeds. Conference season and tourney winners usually get rewarded and dOOk was neither.
I still say Nova , Zona , Wisky and UK get the top seeds. They each won regular season (not sure if wisky and uk have played their TC games yet?) and tournament. If they don't win both then this call is null and void. UK losing to Arkansas is about as likely as snow in Miami today.
I don't know about Zona man...Pac 12 is bad, and everyone knows its bad, and they managed to lose 3 games to 2 middle of the pack teams in it, and a UNLV team with double digit losses in the Mountain West.
I don't see anyone showing them love with a #1 seed this year, that's how weak their conference is.
I don't see anyone showing them love with a #1 seed this year, that's how weak their conference is.
Two middle of the pack teams that will be in the tournament.
Middle of the pack in a bad conference
and middle of the pack in the best conference, are 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. It's comparing apples to oranges.
I'm just one of those guys that has a lot of respect in the conference. Our league is good, we water it down when we shit on teams for losing to squads that lower in the standings. We all know Moo U brings it every-time they play us and dook, shit they beat us in the Dome, and Miami is a few bounces from wins against each of our league's top 5.
Gotta look at the big picture when talking about seeding, and you gotta look at the makeup of the college basketball world outside of our backyard, you can't look at Wisco, Zona, or even damn Kentucky on just paper, because the conferences they play in are truly just not that good, and in some cases VERY bad (SEC).
I highly respect Nova though, the Big East this year was very underrated, 6 tournament teams and some damn good competition.
When it comes to Kensucky...well they beat everyone they played, so the argument against the SEC being shitty is irrelevant since they won every game in front of em, can't help it that it's just a down year, and that graduations finally caught up to Florida.
Middle of the pack in a bad conference
and middle of the pack in the best conference, are 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. It's comparing apples to oranges.
I'm just one of those guys that has a lot of respect in the conference. Our league is good, we water it down when we shit on teams for losing to squads that lower in the standings. We all know Moo U brings it every-time they play us and dook, shit they beat us in the Dome, and Miami is a few bounces from wins against each of our league's top 5.
Gotta look at the big picture when talking about seeding, and you gotta look at the makeup of the college basketball world outside of our backyard, you can't look at Wisco, Zona, or even damn Kentucky on just paper, because the conferences they play in are truly just not that good, and in some cases VERY bad (SEC).
I highly respect Nova though, the Big East this year was very underrated, 6 tournament teams and some damn good competition.
When it comes to Kensucky...well they beat everyone they played, so the argument against the SEC being shitty is irrelevant since they won every game in front of em, can't help it that it's just a down year, and that graduations finally caught up to Florida.
Just something worth considering, when looking at the RPI, KenPom, Sagarin and BPI ratings . . and yes, I am sure the committee looks at many other things.
'Zona is a 6, 2, 3 and a 4 . .
dOOk is a 5, 7, 7 and a 5 . .
Wisky is a 4, 3, 3 and a 2
'Nova is a 3, 5, 5 and a 6
UNC is a 12, 16, 10 and a 8
'Zona is a 6, 2, 3 and a 4 . .
dOOk is a 5, 7, 7 and a 5 . .
Wisky is a 4, 3, 3 and a 2
'Nova is a 3, 5, 5 and a 6
UNC is a 12, 16, 10 and a 8
So ya say the dukies deserve it? They didn't win the regular season, UVa did, they didn't win the ACCT or even more than a single game in the ACCT, same as UVa, isn't that right? yeah, they did beat UVa once this season but your dukies also lost by double digits to 2 teams that may neither make the NCAAT. I am not able to see the clearly deserve or clearly earned part there cowboy.
Historically the #1 seeds have been regular season conference champs, something that the dukies CLEARLY did not earn and thus CLEARLY did not deserve. NEXT...
UVA lost their games this season by a total of like 10 points. Dook gets stomped out by NC State and Miami. UVA get rewarded with winning the regular season almost wire to wire by a #2 seed and Izzo and Michigan State in round 2 (same team that knocked them out last year). Duke gets the #1 seed and a joke of a bracket. I'm not normally one to claim that Duke gets it easy all the time with the committee, but damn that has to be a hard pill to swallow as a UVA fan.
As a Duke fan, I feel horrible for UVA. They should have gotten the last #1 seed over us. I guess the committee was more impressed with our SOS and maybe the Justin Anderson factor for Virginia.
I think it could have gone either way, but I do think Duke had more impressive OOC wins. But honestly, I dont think it matters that much. UVA as a 2 seed has a regional final in Syracuse, where as Duke as a 1 has a regional final in Houston. So from a location standpoint, I think UVA actually got the better end of that deal. Plus, last year the finals was between a 7 and 8 seed. It's one thing if a team is either way over or under seeded, but arguing about seeding is rather meaningless IMO, you still have to win games no matter where you are seeded.
