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Blue2010 said:
Guys, I know the Super Bowl loss was gut-wrenching
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I think @TarHeelNation11 and I have both explained that UGA football is what people actually care about in Atlanta. The Falcons don't even come close to UGA, so there is only about 7 people who found the loss "gut-wrenching."

Blue2010 said:
Burning down bridges on the interstate
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You're a little late to the party on this one.

Blue2010 said:
not shooting up a kid's birthday party
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First I've heard about. Atlanta isn't really known for their low crime rate though.
 
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So you know how Charlotte technically has a bigger population than Atlanta, even though metro Atlanta is way more populous than metro Charlotte? It's because parts of Atlanta keep annexing into their own municipality.

Why? It makes Atlanta's crime rate look better. That shooting spree didn't happen in Atlanta; it happened in College Park!!!11!!!!!
 
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TarHeelNation11 said:
So you know how Charlotte technically has a bigger population than Atlanta, even though metro Atlanta is way more populous than metro Charlotte? It's because parts of Atlanta keep annexing into their own municipality.

Why? It makes Atlanta's crime rate look better. That shooting spree didn't happen in Atlanta; it happened in College Park!!!11!!!!!
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Ah...that makes it better.
 
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tarheel0910 said:
I think @TarHeelNation11 and I have both explained that UGA football is what people actually care about in Atlanta. The Falcons don't even come close to UGA, so there is only about 7 people who found the loss "gut-wrenching."


You're a little late to the party on this one.


First I've heard about. Atlanta isn't really known for their low crime rate though.
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Not late to the party. I commented on it weeks ago. Just referencing for the sake of the argument towards labeling Atlanta a dumpster fire. No harm intended.
 
Blue2010 said:
Ah...that makes it better.
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Lol yeah it's political/economic version of concealer makeup. Atlanta's politics and policy are FUBAR and have been for years and years. There's an underlying cause for all of it.

And to @tarheel0910's point about UGA Football, here's how obsessed they are. People are legit pissed because they think only 60,000 people are going to show up to Georgia's spring game tomorrow. That's been the talk all week is "how many people will show up?! Is it going to be a bad number?" Their definition of a bad number is like 50,000 lol. This is after 93,000 people showed up -- tickets aren't even free -- as paying customers to last year's spring game.
 
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tarheel0910 said:
Just out of curiosity, why are you reading the AJC? That paper seems like the exact opposite of something you would read.
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Nice try. I saw the story on the AP twitter feed but the link didn't work. I googled and grabbed the first result.
 
tarheel0910 said:
Don't you want to expand on this? I need some Friday entertainment and I know that will provide it. This thread could become epic.
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You're welcome. This place has gotten very dull lately. I'm a big picture kind of person...

Have at it (grabbing popcorn).
 
I'm not going down this road on a public forum though lol. I'll leave it at this, the SunTrust Park vs. Mercedes Benz Stadium comparison is a perfect example of why Atlanta has so many problems.

Cobb County oversaw the development and building of SunTrust Park and it was finished on schedule and on budget. Atlanta city government is financing a chunk of MBS and thus is involved in helping select the contracts for building it. MBS is now 2 months behind schedule, won't be done until late August, and is already 600 million dollars over budget (i.e. 37.5% of the cost of the whole damn thing).

^^for those who don't know, Cobb is a different county. Atlanta is Fulton County.
 
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FWIW, I have never been to Atlanta. But I have been to Augusta a few times and that was enough for me. It was a warning to stay away from GA altogether.
 
Blue2010 said:
FWIW, I have never been to Atlanta. But I have been to Augusta a few times and that was enough for me. It was a warning to stay away from GA altogether.
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I think you jump to half-cocked sweeping generalizations even quicker than I do. Which is impressive.

What's wrong with Augusta? It's a little boring if you're there in any other month besides April, but it's a nice enough town.
 
TarHeelNation11 said:
I think you jump to half-cocked sweeping generalizations even quicker than I do. Which is impressive.

What's wrong with Augusta? It's a little boring if you're there in any other month besides April, but it's a nice enough town.
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Both times I was there in August...as someone who loves hot weather, that place was unbearable. And the town itself just felt "dirty"...my impression was that there was a well-known golf course that has completely isolated itself to how rundown the rest of the town looks...and the interstate driving in from SC was seemingly filled with factories that made it smell like the nation was sending all it's sewage to that location.

Other than that, it was cool. Nacho Mama's was awesome.
 
Blue2010 said:
Both times I was there in August...as someone who loves hot weather, that place was unbearable. And the town itself just felt "dirty"...my impression was that there was a well-known golf course that has completely isolated itself to how rundown the rest of the town looks...and the interstate driving in from SC was seemingly filled with factories that made it smell like the nation was sending all it's sewage to that location.

Other than that, it was cool. Nacho Mama's was awesome.
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I think Durham blows, but that doesn't mean I assume the whole state sucks. But I see your point. Sometimes bad experiences can shape our opinion... the infamous "it was raining when I went there so I don't like that place" type of deal.

There are plenty of shitty places in Georgia, but there are plenty of awesome places too.
 
Blue2010 said:
FWIW, I have never been to Atlanta. But I have been to Augusta a few times and that was enough for me. It was a warning to stay away from GA altogether.
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Augusta will never be confused with Atlanta. It makes no sense to use Augusta as a measuring stick for Atlanta, or most parts of rural GA for that matter.
 
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TarHeelNation11 said:
I think Durham blows, but that doesn't mean I assume the whole state sucks. But I see your point. Sometimes bad experiences can shape our opinion... the infamous "it was raining when I went there so I don't like that place" type of deal.

There are plenty of shitty places in Georgia, but there are plenty of awesome places too.
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I get that. I do try to be somewhat aware and there were parts of Augusta that really were cool, but each time I was there the overwhelming feeling I had was that it stinks (b/c of the factories), the downtown was littered with trash (not the people, the litter), mostly consisting of cigarette butts and empty beer cans, and it was H-O-T. You could almost feel your own skin melting. But I kinda liked the restaurants around there.

As for associating it with Atlanta -- I am pretty sure the heat is similar, and I added in all of the other things I've heard and read about the traffic and crime rates. And then there's the Falcons franchise, which easily tips the scale for me.

And yes, Durham / Roxboro / Greensboro (mostly)...sucks. Wilmington and Charlotte are awesome.
 
Blue2010 said:
As for associating it with Atlanta -- I am pretty sure the heat is similar, and I added in all of the other things I've heard and read about the traffic and crime rates.
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So, after saying that, you follow it up with this...

Blue2010 said:
Charlotte are awesome.
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You do realize that you can make the exact same statement about Charlotte right? It's hot there, traffic is bad (although not as bad as ATL) and it's not exactly held up as an example of low crime. Nice try though.
 
tarheel0910 said:
I think @TarHeelNation11 and I have both explained that UGA football is what people actually care about in Atlanta. The Falcons don't even come close to UGA, so there is only about 7 people who found the loss "gut-wrenching."
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Ok, so can we have people pick a story and stick to it here? When I was railing on Atlanta a few months ago for being a shitty pro sports town I got backlash that "hey it's not bad, people around here care". Same when I was calling it small market (from a pro sports perspective). Just because there's a lot of people in the metro area doesn't mean they're all in the "market" if they don't partake in watching the pro sports. They can be in the "target market" but if they're not engaged - it's small market.
 
tarheel0910 said:
So, after saying that, you follow it up with this...


You do realize that you can make the exact same statement about Charlotte right? It's hot there, traffic is bad (although not as bad as ATL) and it's not exactly held up as an example of low crime. Nice try though.
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#Panthers

You're ignoring the importance of this.
 
Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
When I was railing on Atlanta a few months ago for being a shitty pro sports town I got backlash that "hey it's not bad, people around here care".
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I must have missed that one. I've always said that pro sports are a distant second to UGA football.

Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
Same when I was calling it small market (from a pro sports perspective). Just because there's a lot of people in the metro area doesn't mean they're all in the "market" if they don't partake in watching the pro sports. They can be in the "target market" but if they're not engaged - it's small market.
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I guess it depends on how you define sports market. By every normal definition, sports market includes the surrounding metro area and is almost always defined by TV numbers. By that definition, it is not a small market. Also, as mentioned many times, people who live in Atlanta aren't actually from Atlanta. People tend to pull for the team that they have always pulled for. You normally don't switch teams just because you move. People watch pro sports here, but a lot of them don't watch Atlanta teams because they aren't their favorite team.
 
tarheel0910 said:
I guess it depends on how you define sports market. By every normal definition, sports market includes the surrounding metro area and is almost always defined by TV numbers. By that definition, it is not a small market. Also, as mentioned many times, people who live in Atlanta aren't actually from Atlanta. People tend to pull for the team that they have always pulled for. You normally don't switch teams just because you move. People watch pro sports here, but a lot of them don't watch Atlanta teams because they aren't their favorite team.
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Which is why UGA Football is king here. The Northerners that move down already have their NFL team and either have an MLB team already or don't give a shit about baseball. But they either went to one of those tiny liberal arts colleges up North who didn't have sports or they went to something like Temple or Delaware or something else that might technically have football, but it isn't a thing.

They come down here and see how HUGE college football is, and they want to be part of the party, so they pull for UGA. You can tell by the accents of folks that call in to radio shows. As expected, most who call in to talk UGA sound the part, good ol' country boy UGA fan. But more than a few callers will call in and it's obvious they're from New York or the Midwest, but they're diehard UGA Football fans now because they've probably been following them for the 10 years they've lived here.

It's not rocket science why Atlanta pro teams don't draw well. It's because it's a transplant city. Same reason why when the Giants come to BOA to play the Panthers, half the stadium is pulling for NYG

@Hark_The_Sound_2010 the thread you're talking about was an article bashing Atlanta as a pro sports town. People do like pro sports here, they just either 1) like a different team, 2) live too far away from downtown so they don't go to games. People avoid living in actual Atlanta like the plague. Everyone flocks to the suburbs... and not just the close ones. Places like Canton and Cumming are developing like wildfire, and those are both 45+ minute drives from downtown Atlanta, without traffic. It's inaccurate to call the Atlanta market "not a pro sports town." It's just not a good attendance town. College sports is bigger in Atlanta, but it's not like Atlanta hates pro sports. It consistently has the highest NBA ratings.
 
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