Bellichek to step down??????

[keysersosay#1]

Possibly as now we learn that Josh Mc daniels is NOT going to Indy as head coach but staying in NE.....HMMMM. Bellichek is under intense scrutiny for his handing of the Butler situation in the SB with Brady now taking Butler side Stay tuned................

 

[UNC71-00]

Possibly as now we learn that Josh Mc daniels is NOT going to Indy as head coach but staying in NE.....HMMMM. Bellichek is under intense scrutiny for his handing of the Butler situation in the SB with Brady now taking Butler side Stay tuned................

Hi Key. Good to see you back.

I think Belicheck was already going to retire (maybe temporarily) after the fallout with Kraft and the subsequent trade Bellichek made with SF to give up Garrafalo.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Would love to see the Patriot dynasty crumble when he leaves. Tom gets too much credit for the house the Bill built. And I hate Belichek. But damn if I don’t respect him.

 

[UNC71-00]

Would love to see the Patriot dynasty crumble when he leaves. Tom gets too much credit for the house the Bill built. And I hate Belichek. But damn if I don’t respect him.

It will crumble, but not as fast as Duke when K has his final back problem.

 

[ticket2ride04]

It will crumble, but not as fast as Duke when K has his final back problem.

If only because Chapel will get popped in short order. The K legacy is being protected.

 

[gunslingerdick]

 

[coryfly]

Hi Key. Good to see you back.

I think Belicheck was already going to retire (maybe temporarily) after the fallout with Kraft and the subsequent trade Bellichek made with SF to give up Garrafalo.

Belichek was right there as well. Should have kept him.

I hope he reties. Brady as well. Then I hope the Pats go back to sucking like they should.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Belichek was right there as well. Should have kept him.

I hope he reties. Brady as well. Then I hope the Pats go back to sucking like they should.

Who's going to take their place in that division? The Dolphins, Bills, and Jets are woefully run franchises from a player personnel standpoint.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Who's going to take their place in that division? The Dolphins, Bills, and Jets are woefully run franchises from a player personnel standpoint.

Bills and Dolphins might be on the upswing. Bills made the playoffs. They are a QB away from being decent. Belichek has been the glue that held it together all these years. He’s a hard dude to replace.

If I were him, I’d go somewhere like the Texans. Start a whole new dynasty.

 

[gunslingerdick]

If I were him, I’d go somewhere like the Texans. Start a whole new dynasty.

I'm a huge fan of Belichick but I'm not sure he could go somewhere else and start a new dynasty. Robert Kraft has been a big piece of the Pats reign. He's been very supportive of Belichick, Brady and the other major players of the Pats dynasty. Owners are fickle and not everybody will jive with Belichick and his prickly style. Plus, he's long in the tooth and a rebuild would take some time. I honestly think he would damage his legacy by attempting to create something somewhere else. It just would never live up to the Patriot's standards. I'm not sure he cares all that much about his legacy but if he leaves, I feel it only gets tarnished; not enhanced.

 

[ticket2ride04]

I'm a huge fan of Belichick but I'm not sure he could go somewhere else and start a new dynasty. Robert Kraft has been a big piece of the Pats reign. He's been very supportive of Belichick, Brady and the other major players of the Pats dynasty. Owners are fickle and not everybody will jive with Belichick and his prickly style. Plus, he's long in the tooth and a rebuild would take some time. I honestly think he would damage his legacy by attempting to create something somewhere else. It just would never live up to the Patriot's standards. I'm not sure he cares all that much about his legacy but if he leaves, I feel it only gets tarnished; not enhanced.

Yeah, but he’s a prickly SOB he doesn’t GAF what any of us think. He just might enjoy the challenge of starting or over or a change in scenery. Plus, he’s the architect behind their whole system/philosophy. Losing him is a blow in of itself. Having to coach against him would be worse. He knows everything about that team/those guys/the coaches.

None of his coordinators have had much success in general, and much less against him.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Yeah, but he’s a prickly SOB he doesn’t GAF what any of us think. .

I tend to agree but I'm not sure. If indeed Belichick doesn't really care how he's remembered, then yeah, sure, go start anew somewhere else. Personally, I'd enjoy seeing if he can get close to the Pats success elsewhere.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Any time I see the phrase "step down" I think of the Incubus song "Megalomaniac."

Just in case y'all were wondering.

 

[ticket2ride04]

I tend to agree but I'm not sure. If indeed Belichick doesn't really care how he's remembered, then yeah, sure, go start anew somewhere else. Personally, I'd enjoy seeing if he can get close to the Pats success elsewhere.

I personally wanted to see Brady retire and Bill stay there with Jimmy. I think he is pissed that Jimmy was shipped off. He had found his Brady replacement.

 

[carolinablue34]

I personally wanted to see Brady retire and Bill stay there with Jimmy. I think he is pissed that Jimmy was shipped off. He had found his Brady replacement.

We all want to see Brady retire at this point. Except for patriots fans.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

We all want to see Brady retire at this point. Except for patriots fans.

I don't. He's the GOAT. It's not like Brady is standing in the way of the Panthers reaching the promised land, lol. That particular Super Bowl was a longggg time ago.

 

[TarHeelMark]

It's not like Brady is standing in the way of the Panthers reaching the promised land

John Fox did a good enough job of getting in the Panthers way.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

That particular Super Bowl was a longggg time ago.

People sure do seem to hold a grudge over it though.

 

[heelz2345]

He's the GOAT.

Let me preface this by saying I don't disagree, nor am I singling you out when I raise the following point, just using it as a jumping off point to mention something I saw on twitter in the past few days.

Brady's record in the past 6 Super Bowls he's been in is 3-3, and one of the 3 he won was due to him leading the largest comeback in Super Bowl history, and he is commonly considered the GOAT.

Lebron James is 3-3 in his past 6 NBA finals and one of those 3 was due to him leading the largest comeback in Finals history, yet many people try to point to his losses as a glaring weakness and why he will never be considered one of the true greats.

I know they are different sports, there are a lot of variables in both situations, and I'm personally a fan of both players (at least in the sense I recognize both among the greatest in their respective fields), but I just found it interesting that Lebron seems to take a lot more criticism for the times he couldn't close the deal than Brady does (not that I think either of them deserve a very high level).

 

[nctransplant]

Let me preface this by saying I don't disagree, nor am I singling you out when I raise the following point, just using it as a jumping off point to mention something I saw on twitter in the past few days.

Brady's record in the past 6 Super Bowls he's been in is 3-3, and one of the 3 he won was due to him leading the largest comeback in Super Bowl history, and he is commonly considered the GOAT.

Lebron James is 3-3 in his past 6 NBA finals and one of those 3 was due to him leading the largest comeback in Finals history, yet many people try to point to his losses as a glaring weakness and why he will never be considered one of the true greats.

I know they are different sports, there are a lot of variables in both situations, and I'm personally a fan of both players (at least in the sense I recognize both among the greatest in their respective fields), but I just found it interesting that Lebron seems to take a lot more criticism for the times he couldn't close the deal than Brady does (not that I think either of them deserve a very high level).

My issue with Lebron is that for him to win titles he needs to be surrounded by 2 or 3 other greats. He's a title chaser. My bet is that he leaves Cleveland to join another "super team". Brady hasn't done it that way nor did the real GOAT.

 

[heelz2345]

My issue with Lebron is that for him to win titles he needs to be surrounded by 2 or 3 other greats. He's a title chaser. My bet is that he leaves Cleveland to join another "super team". Brady hasn't done it that way nor did the real GOAT.

Well, I think you could argue that Brady has had plenty of other greats on the teams that have reached the top, and I think the same is accurate for 95% of teams that have won championships in any sport.

ETA: I will agree Brady has been loyal to the Patriots, but I don't necessarily have a problem with a player seeking a better situation when the management totally mismanages the need to build a team around your star player as was the case when Lebron left for Miami.

 

[nctransplant]

Well, I think you could argue that Brady has had plenty of other greats on the teams that have reached the top, and I think the same is accurate for 95% of teams that have won championships in any sport.

ETA: I will agree Brady has been loyal to the Patriots, but I don't necessarily have a problem with a player seeking a better situation when the management totally mismanages the need to build a team around your star player.

My point is, other than Pippen, who else did the GOAT have. And I understand about management. I don't think Lebron has the ability Jordan did to make the ones around him better.

 

[heelz2345]

My point is, other than Pippen, who else did the GOAT have. And I understand about management. I don't think Lebron has the ability Jordan did to make the ones around him better.

Dennis Rodman is a HOFer and was a crucial part of titles 4-6. Admittedly, Pippen was the only reliable wingman for the first 3. I'm not arguing Jordan is the GOAT, I believe he is. My point is only that people are very quick to point out Lebron's perceived flaws when they don't seem to be as quick to point out Brady's. Maybe it's because there has not been as clear an answer for football's GOAT and Brady has enough accomplishments for it to be questioned less. Just thought it was interesting, as I said, I think Brady and Lebron (and Jordan) are among the best to ever do what they do.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Let me preface this by saying I don't disagree, nor am I singling you out when I raise the following point, just using it as a jumping off point to mention something I saw on twitter in the past few days.

Brady's record in the past 6 Super Bowls he's been in is 3-3, and one of the 3 he won was due to him leading the largest comeback in Super Bowl history, and he is commonly considered the GOAT.

Lebron James is 3-3 in his past 6 NBA finals and one of those 3 was due to him leading the largest comeback in Finals history, yet many people try to point to his losses as a glaring weakness and why he will never be considered one of the true greats.

I know they are different sports, there are a lot of variables in both situations, and I'm personally a fan of both players (at least in the sense I recognize both among the greatest in their respective fields), but I just found it interesting that Lebron seems to take a lot more criticism for the times he couldn't close the deal than Brady does (not that I think either of them deserve a very high level).

Fantastic post and observation.

The QB position is kind of like the President. They get way too much credit when things are good and way too much blame when things are bad. Brady and Belichek are the perfect marriage. They created a system that absolutely highlighted Brady's considerable skill. Beyond that, Belichek remained way ahead of the league on innovation with both sides of the ball. You'll never convince me that the Patriots wouldn't have had the same (or more success) with guys like Manning, Brees, Marino, or Rodgers.

The narrative has always been Brady gets the credit for the wins or his team let him down for the losses. The reality is, he has mostly been excellent when the team does well and struggled when things break down around him. But that is true for any QB. If Brady was this mythical force, he wouldn't have lost to the Giants during their perfect season run. Lastly, Brady and the team as whole always play within the system. They never deviate. Never panic. They let the other team mess up.

 

[heelz2345]

I agree about Brady and Belichek being a great union. You often find that in basketball as well that the great players won with great coaches (Michael-Phil, Kobe/Shaq-Phil, Wade/Shaq-Riley, Duncan-Pop). You don't have to have a great coach to win (if you have good enough talent) but it won't hurt you, that's for sure

 

[TarHeelNation11]

@heelz2345 main reasons LeBron doesn't get as much credit as Brady / people refuse to say LeBron is as good as MJ:

1. Basketball is a much more individual sport than football. The perception exists that LeBron "chases titles" from moving from team to team like @nctransplant said. We can debate the merits of that perception, but that perception does exist and is a commonly held view.
2. The way he conducts himself. He's such an attention whore that it's astounding. Of the truly generational-level talented elite athletes we have in American sports right now (or have had in the past two decades), he's by far the biggest attention whore. And to cap it off, he's a whiny B when he doesn't get his way. He doesn't conduct himself like a professional (or at least, how a lot of people think a professional should conduct himself... again, we can debate the merits of this) and it really rubs people the wrong way. The Decision; the falling out with Kyrie, the most recent disinformation campaign by his camp that EVERYONE knows was his doing, etc. etc. It's a turn off to a lot of people.

Talent-wise, LeBron is easily one of the Top 3 best ever. But the way he carries himself turns a lot of people off.

 

[nctransplant]

@heelz2345 main reasons LeBron doesn't get as much credit as Brady / people refuse to say LeBron is as good as MJ:

1. Basketball is a much more individual sport than football. The perception exists that LeBron "chases titles" from moving from team to team like @nctransplant said. We can debate the merits of that perception, but that perception does exist and is a commonly held view.
2. The way he conducts himself. He's such an attention whore that it's astounding. Of the truly generational-level talented elite athletes we have in American sports right now (or have had in the past two decades), he's by far the biggest attention whore. And to cap it off, he's a whiny B when he doesn't get his way. He doesn't conduct himself like a professional (or at least, how a lot of people think a professional should conduct himself... again, we can debate the merits of this) and it really rubs people the wrong way. The Decision; the falling out with Kyrie, the most recent disinformation campaign by his camp that EVERYONE knows was his doing, etc. etc. It's a turn off to a lot of people.

Talent-wise, LeBron is easily one of the Top 3 best ever. But the way he carries himself turns a lot of people off.

True dat

 

[tarheel0910]

Since they are in different sports, you can't compare the two. You have to compare them to others in their sport. No one has done what Brady has in football. No one has done what Jordan has in basketball.

I don't necessarily have a problem with a player seeking a better situation when the management totally mismanages the need to build a team around your star player

Here's the problem though. LeBron has largely contributed to the way Miami was set up and especially how the current Cleveland team is set up. Cleveland's management knows their roster is long term and short term crap, but LeBron has basically built the team he wants. He deserves just as much blame as the management.

 

[ticket2ride04]

@heelz2345 main reasons LeBron doesn't get as much credit as Brady / people refuse to say LeBron is as good as MJ:

1. Basketball is a much more individual sport than football. The perception exists that LeBron "chases titles" from moving from team to team like @nctransplant said. We can debate the merits of that perception, but that perception does exist and is a commonly held view.
2. The way he conducts himself. He's such an attention whore that it's astounding. Of the truly generational-level talented elite athletes we have in American sports right now (or have had in the past two decades), he's by far the biggest attention whore. And to cap it off, he's a whiny B when he doesn't get his way. He doesn't conduct himself like a professional (or at least, how a lot of people think a professional should conduct himself... again, we can debate the merits of this) and it really rubs people the wrong way. The Decision; the falling out with Kyrie, the most recent disinformation campaign by his camp that EVERYONE knows was his doing, etc. etc. It's a turn off to a lot of people.

Talent-wise, LeBron is easily one of the Top 3 best ever. But the way he carries himself turns a lot of people off.

Counterpoint - Brady bitches more than anyone and gets the benefit of almost every call.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Counterpoint - Brady bitches more than anyone and gets the benefit of almost every call.

Lol you're an idiot if you think Brady bitches more than LeBron. Sorry.

Now if you wanna argue that lately Brady has become a lot more like LeBron in terms of trying to get attention and build his brand, I would agree with you.

 

[heelz2345]

I don’t really agree that LeBron is an attention whore, but that is part of the perception for people. I’ve never really seen him as that. I agree that the Decision was part of that for people, and I think that was a bad move and he admitted it was a mistake to do that. But I don’t think he’s an attention whore any more than any other great talent, the attention is often paid to the best in any area. I think how much ESPN covers him may lead people to think that, but I don’t know how much of it is his doing.

As for management, I agree that he helped construct Miami how he wanted and the current version of the Cavs, but I meant specifically his first run. They got him 0 help, and he dragged an otherwise sorry Cavs roster to the Finals in 07 (and got wrecked by the Spurs) and kept making conference finals with no help while the Celtics made their Big 3 of Pierce, Garnett, and Allen, plus the Pistons were still good and the Magic has talent also. So he along with Wade and Bosh figured this Miami situation out to try and win, and they did. Because he did it, we’ve seen more teams lately try it, and the Cavs accommodated him to get him back, but his first run in Cleveland I think they took him for granted and didn’t try to get him the help he needed.

 

[heelz2345]

Also @TarHeelNation11 i do agree with you point of basketball being more of an individual sport and the perception is there that one tremendous talent can overcome the other weaknesses easier than one can in football.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Lol you're an idiot if you think Brady bitches more than LeBron. Sorry.

Now if you wanna argue that lately Brady has become a lot more like LeBron in terms of trying to get attention and build his brand, I would agree with you.

You’re an idiot if you didn’t understand I meant Brady bitches more than anybody in football.


GFY too