Brice technical: Roy vs K

[LakeHickoryHeel]

I know that Roy gets a lot of heat for in-game coaching, especially vs the likes of K, Wright, Smart, Izzo and some other coaches, but I want to point out something that really jumped out at me this morning: how Roy handled Brice's badly timed technical. Brice gets pulled. Sits for 5 minutes. Gets threatened before he is graciously allowed back in the game.... "Make me yell at you and you're back on the bench with me" (more or less). All during the second half of the most important game of the year, when the game was at a pivotal turning point and the score was close. And the reason he let him back in the game.... Brice was hurting the team by being on the bench as much as he was hurting the team by his selfish in-game antics. Roy is constantly trying to teach these kids, and for better or worse, considers the values and principles he is trying to instill in these kids more important than winning at all costs. To me, that is what sets Carolina apart and what sets Roy and Dean apart.

How do you think K would have handled that "technical situation" if it was one of his best players? I, for one, am proud to be associated with our coach.

My two cents.

Thoughts?

 

[jah420]

K sat Vanilla Whip for all of like 2 minutes at the beginning of a game for purposely tripping people as if he were a third grader who was losing. I think we all know the answer to this question. It is worth noting also that while Roy was teaching Brice, he also had very little choice with Brice picking up his 3rd foul in that situation.

 

[Sk1310]

Roy sat Brice earlier in the year for almost the entire first half for screaming a cuss word.

 

[ChiShankCity]

I have no problems with the way Roy handles his players. I like that Roy is diplomatic on the sidelines to refs. I don't like the hypocrisy in college basketball where the player can't say or behave in any way negatively towards refs... Yet coaches can literally act like animals without any punishment. That's wrong. But I like the way Roy behaves on the sideline.

But some of the players in the NBA are troubling. Felton and Lawson have had some significant legal issues, more so Lawson. And I can't help but think if a Coach K title winning guard that stayed for 3 seasons had multiple DUI's like Lawson, we wouldn't sweep it under the rug. If a title winning guard that was coached for 2 seasons by K pleaded guilty to attempted criminal possession of a weapon and criminal possession of a firearm, we wouldn't sweep it under the rug.

Realistically, the majority of players that go through UNC seem to be really good guys and Lawson, McCants may be lost kids that every coach produces a small number of. But there is a bit of a double standard IMO.

The Ty Lawson stuff is really troubling. He seems like he needs a lot of help.

It might not be a coaching problem and it might be my mistake for insinuating a connection between the 2 but realistically, I think if that connection was with Coach K, we wouldn't treat it the same. A lot of UNC fans would assume that it speaks bad about Coach K at the least and some would outright blame Coach K.

 

[grillheel]

I have no problems with the way Roy handles his players. I like that Roy is diplomatic on the sidelines to refs. I don't like the hypocrisy in college basketball where the player can't say or behave in any way negatively towards refs... Yet coaches can literally act like animals without any punishment. That's wrong. But I like the way Roy behaves on the sideline.

But some of the players in the NBA are troubling. Felton and Lawson have had some significant legal issues, more so Lawson. And I can't help but think if a Coach K title winning guard that stayed for 3 seasons had multiple DUI's like Lawson, we wouldn't sweep it under the rug. If a title winning guard that was coached for 2 seasons by K pleaded guilty to attempted criminal possession of a weapon and criminal possession of a firearm, we wouldn't sweep it under the rug.

Realistically, the majority of players that go through UNC seem to be really good guys and Lawson, McCants may be lost kids that every coach produces a small number of. But there is a bit of a double standard IMO.

The Ty Lawson stuff is really troubling. He seems like he needs a lot of help.

It might not be a coaching problem and it might be my mistake for insinuating a connection between the 2 but realistically, I think if that connection was with Coach K, we wouldn't treat it the same. A lot of UNC fans would assume that it speaks bad about Coach K at the least and some would outright blame Coach K.

JJ Redick seemed to have had a few problems-marijuana charges that mysteriously went away and DUI. Greg Newton, I think it was, cheating scandal; Lance Thomas, jewelry scandal; Christian Laettner and Brian Davis, shady business deals. I'm not saying these are k's fault, but are you?

 

[ChiShankCity]

JJ Redick seemed to have had a few problems-marijuana charges that mysteriously went away and DUI. Greg Newton, I think it was, cheating scandal; Lance Thomas, jewelry scandal; Christian Laettner and Brian Davis, shady business deals. I'm not saying these are k's fault, but are you?

When the JJ Redick stuff happened, I'm pretty sure people here criticized K for it.

I'm not saying it's any of the coaches faults. I just hope people can view things like this somewhat objectively.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I don't think the Lawson stuff has much to do with Roy. Ty would have been a similar person, that just can't refrain from drinking and driving, regardless of where he went to school, IMO. Similar to Jahlil Okafor. Do I blame K for Okafor thinking it's ok (on multiple occasions) to attack fans? No - that's just Okafor being a moron on his own.

 

[UNC&ME]

some people cannot handle success some people cannot handle failure..as a kid well before college dreams are formed-watching adults(in their personal lives--or in videos).."when I get my car I will do this/that"...its not a matter of whih school attended..IMO..remember fans have personal lives which never get revealed

 

[strummingram]

If Lawson's "crimes" occurred after he left Chapel Hill... then Lawson made bad choices and Lawson is accountable.

 

[gary-7]

It might not be a coaching problem and it might be my mistake for insinuating a connection between the 2

You should have started and ended right there.

 

[Steat]

I have no problems with the way Roy handles his players. I like that Roy is diplomatic on the sidelines to refs. I don't like the hypocrisy in college basketball where the player can't say or behave in any way negatively towards refs... Yet coaches can literally act like animals without any punishment. That's wrong. But I like the way Roy behaves on the sideline.

But some of the players in the NBA are troubling. Felton and Lawson have had some significant legal issues, more so Lawson. And I can't help but think if a Coach K title winning guard that stayed for 3 seasons had multiple DUI's like Lawson, we wouldn't sweep it under the rug. If a title winning guard that was coached for 2 seasons by K pleaded guilty to attempted criminal possession of a weapon and criminal possession of a firearm, we wouldn't sweep it under the rug.

Realistically, the majority of players that go through UNC seem to be really good guys and Lawson, McCants may be lost kids that every coach produces a small number of. But there is a bit of a double standard IMO.

The Ty Lawson stuff is really troubling. He seems like he needs a lot of help.

It might not be a coaching problem and it might be my mistake for insinuating a connection between the 2 but realistically, I think if that connection was with Coach K, we wouldn't treat it the same. A lot of UNC fans would assume that it speaks bad about Coach K at the least and some would outright blame Coach K.

When someone gets the courage to break the Duke "code" it's going to be an eye opener. K got caught on tape just like Ray Rice got caught on tape. Now it is out that K did the same thing back in 2007. A book will be written about the Dule "code" and it will be a best seller. It will not happen until K retires.

 

[Tom79]

I know that Roy gets a lot of heat for in-game coaching, especially vs the likes of K, Wright, Smart, Izzo and some other coaches, but I want to point out something that really jumped out at me this morning: how Roy handled Brice's badly timed technical. Brice gets pulled. Sits for 5 minutes. Gets threatened before he is graciously allowed back in the game.... "Make me yell at you and you're back on the bench with me" (more or less). All during the second half of the most important game of the year, when the game was at a pivotal turning point and the score was close. And the reason he let him back in the game.... Brice was hurting the team by being on the bench as much as he was hurting the team by his selfish in-game antics. Roy is constantly trying to teach these kids, and for better or worse, considers the values and principles he is trying to instill in these kids more important than winning at all costs. To me, that is what sets Carolina apart and what sets Roy and Dean apart.

How do you think K would have handled that "technical situation" if it was one of his best players? I, for one, am proud to be associated with our coach.

My two cents.

Thoughts?

Nice post, LakeHickoryHeel. My thoughts as well. Your last sentence sums it up, that is what sets UNC apart and our coach.

 

[jah420]

It helps to be a private university

 

[TarHeelMark]

Does anyone blame Dean because Phil had a drinking problem? Nope.
Likewise, Ty's issues are not Roy's fault. The man is not handling his life.

 

[Ozheelfan]

........
It might not be a coaching problem and it might be my mistake for insinuating a connection between the 2 but realistically, I think if that connection was with Coach K, we wouldn't treat it the same. .

Calling you out on this one. You've taken a thread comparing each coach's handling of on-court behaviour in game and at press conferences and hijacked it to include past players and their lives beyond college ball.

Two entirely different discussions.

 

[tarh33ls]

Someone on their site had of players they deemed as bad eggs who had played at UNC. He fails to see that it's just as easy to make a list with former Duke players.

We have Okafor running amok as soon as he leaves Duke. Duhon is so drunk that's he's asleep at the wheel as he's being arrested. Casey Sanders beating on his girlfriend. JJ drunk driving. Who the hell knows what really went on with Sulaimon....

Then they comment about the academic scandal when guys like William Avery admitted to not going to class and guys like Greg Newton and Ricky Price were allowed to go back to the team and play even after they were caught cheating on exams and plagiarizing. The hypocrisy at times is.....amazing.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Once again the might DSPN hack shows his true colors! What do the actions of grown men misbehaving in their personal lives many years after they leave college have to do with how a coach handles in-game problems with current players? You contribute so little to our discourse and so much to our discord, dude! It's a good thing we aren't as stupid as you think we are!

Is NBC Sports responsible for Perv Albert's deviance?

 

[Archer2]

The difference between the way Roy handles losses vs the way K does is class vs ass.

 

[duckfook]

The difference between the way Roy handles losses vs the way K does is class vs ass.

Lol nail meet head!