Caleb put the dagger in the Rat Lords heart. His number should be retired as far as I'm concerned. I hate he's leaving.
Caleb is out
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It will come from players who don't need 30 shots to accumulate 16 points.
No player in any high major conference missed more shots than Caleb Love the past 3 years.
Get a better scorer at the 3 and 4 than you had last year and you’re probably there. Especially if you get a big upgrade from the 3.
Now, hopefully people will remember Caleb for retiring the Rat and not this year. As frustrating as our offense was this year, nothing from this year will ever take away the joy I felt from Rats last game at HIS or his shot sending them home in the final four.
Could be wrong, but I think he will have PLENTY of Power 5 to choose from, who will be courting him hard.
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I wish him the best wherever he goes. I think it was time for both sides to part ways. It will be a major indictment on our coaching staff if he goes somewhere and suddenly fixes his shot, passing, dribbling, defense, effort, decision making, team oriented approach, etc. etc...
Just another wtf moment to add to two wtf seasons. Dude hits some of the biggest shots in unc history then decides to transfer and it seems to be the right thing to do for everyone. These past two seasons have been so bizarre.
It's sad that they still trash Caleb after he's decided to leave. And I know personally that it was not his first choice. His parents and family heard a lot of the negative taunts directed toward Caleb during games and on social media. I personally think those folks are the minority. At least I hope so. I hoped that Caleb would stay to prove folks wrong, but after reading these boards, I'm kinda glad he moved on. I'm beginning to hope Hubert will do the same and take his recruits with him. Let UNC hire the next Golden Boy and let him recruit transfers from the Ivy league and CAA.
It gets old seeing old men criticize young kids recruited to this school and say they have a low IQ.
It gets old seeing old men criticize young kids recruited to this school and say they have a low IQ.
Love him or hate him, Caleb Love has one of the biggest moments in Carolina history. Always a Tar Heel
A player like Love, that would be a senior, is now transferring to another school for his senior year... it's another example of how effed-up the UNC basketball program has become.
I do believe those heat check 3's (from 25 feet) that missed, are really just turnovers called misses. Davis and Bacot will do what they do. Someone will show up and score for us. Is it gonna be wojcik? Probably not, but I bet he can average 8 for us (even though I think he is just a shorter version of Puff.) That is half of it right there if he gets 15 minutes of playing time. Washington will score more than Leaky if he is on the court. Zayden High will be there if Washington still has issues with his injuries. Wilcher can score in bunches but I think the majority of scoring will come from the bigs.
What I would love to see if two things....When in transition...I had two plays...Go and get back. GO was push it up the court with designated spots on the court people get to push it up the court with a trailer coming to top of key if defense gets back to stop layups. And Back was hustle back on defense if we score or dont score. In a halfcourt set (which KILLED us this year) mimic Bellarmine's offense of passing and cutting instead of dribble dribble dribble. (speaking to RJ here). This forces these players to MOVE on offense and open the lane for Bacot and the other big. We just dont want Bacot dribbling.
I truly wish Love well. In the right environment I think he can live up to his potential. Just wasnt the right fit for him here. Square peg round hole. Streaky shooter with great athleticism, but rarely used that athleticism for defense. Part of that was playing the whole game and taking plays off cuz he was just tired. I think some of those heat check 3's were just from exhaustion. 25 min a game for starters should be the norm. It keeps your starters fresh and develops a bench.
Replacing Loves scoring will not be a problem. Shot mechanics on the incoming guys are much better. High and Wilcher can shoot. Washington can shoot. Wojcik can shoot. I am sure there are some shooters on the cusp of signing from the portal. Hubert has to have seen that some of his deficiencies were bad shooters. i hope so at least.
We gonna be fine either way cuz UNC is freaking awesome.
The 16.7 points will come from moving the ball for better shots. With better shot selection I’m expecting that we get more than 16.7 points out of Caleb’s 15.1 shots.
Best to you Caleb, I hope he makes it to league. He is a Heel forever imho
In AJ's video discussing Caleb he says "...there's no curl in their offense. Caleb would have been a great curl guy."
He prefaced that by saying "they didn't run enough stuff to get him catch and shoot shots."
Someone will hopefully explain "curl" for dunces like me, but it sounds like those 2 criticisms could be leveled in general for this team. Who was getting stuff run for them and how well was that stuff working?
This worries me in general but also because a TOS evaluation of Timberlake includes these comments:
Sounds like Timberlake needs the kind of help Caleb wasn't getting and maybe nobody was getting. Is Hubert going to make that adjustment?
He prefaced that by saying "they didn't run enough stuff to get him catch and shoot shots."
Someone will hopefully explain "curl" for dunces like me, but it sounds like those 2 criticisms could be leveled in general for this team. Who was getting stuff run for them and how well was that stuff working?
This worries me in general but also because a TOS evaluation of Timberlake includes these comments:
They're running him through two to three screens curling towards the basket or in the half court set. They're running them through elevator screens, running them from left to right to get him open looks.
"I think wherever he ends up next year, teams are going to have to do that to make sure that he is getting those open looks.
Sounds like Timberlake needs the kind of help Caleb wasn't getting and maybe nobody was getting. Is Hubert going to make that adjustment?
Caleb's scoring will be easier replaced because Nance & Leaky were weak jump shooting starters that are no longer there. Assuming we get better jump shooting from the 3 and 4 spots our 2 guard should not have to deal with all the double teams that Caleb had to work thru.
In NC I as a former LEO would have charged him with conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder based on the elements of the crime committed, and his role in said crime. I don’t think the DA would have an issue with prosecuting same.
I hope Caleb flourishes going forward. That kids got a ton of talent and I hope he makes generational money off of that talent. It wasn't going to happen here. He was a YouTube/Instagram player here. Great for 15 seconds here and there and good enough to have a really impressive highlight reel.
I listened to the podcast and it's the first time I've really consumed it ever. It was very pro-Caleb IMO. The main reason it was probably best for Caleb to go elsewhere is he didn't play well here. Sure, some of that may have had to do with his teammates or the system wasn't 100% conducive to his strengths... Welcome to the real world! Life is about making the most out of the situation you're dealt with. I'm not saying Caleb's teammates or coaches helped him enough. But Caleb sure as hell didn't really change as a player when it was abundantly clear he needed to change his game. Many of you will blame that on Hubert (especially those of you that don't like Hubert). But some, if not a lot, of the accountability is on the player who continues to do things that don't make him or the team better.
Caleb's had 3 versions of offenses to play with at UNC.
- Roy's up tempo system with 2 traditional big guys. And he really struggled with it. Like worst player at his position in the country struggled.
- Let's count the second half of year 2 as the primary offense that year which was a true spread, 4-out, man-movement offense. If the line of demarcation was when Dawson Garcia left the program and Hubert went to a 7-8 man rotation, that happened for the Virginia Tech game. Here are Caleb's splits.
With Dawson Garcia: 14.6 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 3.3 APG, 42% FG, 42% 3PT
Without Dawson Garcia for the rest of the reg season: 17 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 4.3 APG, 34% FG, 34% 3PT
Conference tournament: 10 PPG, 4 RPG, 4.5 APG, 18% FG, 25% 3PT
NCAA Tournament: 18.8 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 37% FG, 33% 3PT, 18.8 PPG, 3 RPG, 3.3 APG
So Caleb really struggled when we were rolling and the offense was more in favor of his skillset. The lane was wide open and he had the ability to get downhill.
- And this year he obviously really struggled with a limited offense without an identity.
Do you really think we won't run action for a great shooter? Caleb wasn't a good shooter and you want to run pin downs and curls for him? Who's setting the screen? It better not be on the side Leaky is or his defender can just blow the play up. We want to run more action for a sub 40% FG shooter and a borderline 30% 3-point shooter? What planet are we living on?
Was there any criticism once Manek got inserted into the lineup that we didn't run enough action for him? We ran the Golden State Warriors split action constantly with Manek in the tournament and it was really hard to guard.
If we bring in some dude who can shoot the ball, we're going to run action for him. There's been evidence of this in the past.
You mean having to play thru constant double teams limited Caleb's success then yeah, it did.
Caleb had the ball in his hands too often to run much for him. If he had fully embraced giving the ball up he could have been our go to scorer.
I listened to it as well and they failed to mention anything about defense! That was a lot of the problem…if his shots weren’t falling he lacked defensive intensity and effort! He was one of our worst defensive players if not the worst! Especially off the ball..I know RJ struggles some but he gives so much effort.…he stared at the ball and lost his player too many times to count. He has all the attributes to be a solid defender. No matter what system is being ran on offense, effort and defense shouldn’t be an issue! I also don’t agree with his catch and shoot ability. Never thought he was a great catch and shoot guy and he mainly needed the ball in his hands and had to dribble 1000 times to create his shot
After some thought it seems he is transferring to obtain better coaching to hopefully set him up better for the nba. Because he had the green light from the moment he woke up. Not sure he will find someone that will let him shoot 100x a game. Best of luck to him unless he plays us.
Trying to find some specific numbers for Caleb.
As a sophomore he shot 44% on catch-and-shoot jumpers, which is pretty solid.
Through March 11 of this season he has a 51% true shooting percentage on catch-and-shoot jumpers. This was defined as "much less efficient than last year."
Also, in late clock situations through March 11 (last 5 seconds of the shot clock). And these shots are generally going to be contested.
RJ: 55% TS%
Caleb: 25% RS%
The logic of having specific action for Caleb is faulty IMO. There's really one offense that we ran with any consistent success and that was Nance passing the ball to Bacot (mostly on high-lows). After the Notre Dame game, that combo (Nance to Bacot) 33/49 shooting, 13 drawn fouls, 9 turnovers, 15 offensive resets. So our best offense was Nance being our triggerman to Bacot. If you turn Bacot or Nance into screeners for Caleb, I doubt it results in anything all that efficient. Also, you better run that offense opposite of the side Leaky is on.
The podcast felt to me like a people who like Caleb personally and that's fine. But I don't know if it would've been a good basketball move to run sets for him.
Can you give some examples from the Hubert era? I can't think of any.
I'm not saying we never run set plays or set screens. Of course were do. Some. But when I think of Brady, that was usually just him (and RJ and Caleb knowing to get the ball to him), not because of a play to get him open. Nor do I recall seeing many plays to get RJ open. He's a shooter (when his appendages are healthy).
So when I see comments about players running off 3 screens, I don't think of Carolina.
Even when I think back to some of Roy's better shooters, I'm not remembering a whole lot. Justin Jackson for example, was brilliant moving without the ball. He got open, other people were seldom involved. Maybe the occasional screen, but mostly his own effort.
But I'm no expert and could be wrong.
Manek thrived in the freelance but the pick and pop on the perimeter he excelled at was designed as a 2 way play.
Roy loved the elevator screen. We ran that like 3 times a game usually to the top of the 3pt line.
I won't say that we ran set after set for Manek to get open 3's. A lot of it was freelance and Manek knew how to play without the basketball. Something that most good shooters do really well naturally. But we ran some stuff because Manek had the tools to do so. The team might use different language, but here goes.
Split action: Manek and a guard converge (Manek fakes a screen) and they split where the guard cuts backdoor while Manek pops out for the 3. Puts the defense under pressure so any miscommunication that leaves Manek open for 3 will usually result in a quality look. In this case, Leaky was also in inbounder so his defender was out of the picture. And Bacot was the trigger at the top of the key so the lane was wide open. This was a staple for the Warriors early dynasty days.
A counter to the split action: Here, Cam gets a wide open backdoor opportunity. This was probably a backdoor set because Bacot takes the ball from the opposite elbow and dribbles it hard towards Cam and Manek. So I'm guessing this is the backdoor counter off the split action. Cam ends up getting the shot blocked because Leaky is in the opposite corner and the defender can over help off him. But it's a quality set if you have some shooting. Leaky also could've cut to the basket here too to have an open layup on a drop off.
Manek screen for the screener: This is like America's play set for a stretch 4 open 3 look. Manek sets a screen for the ball screener (Bacot) and pops out of the traffic to get an open look. Duke didn't defend this well, but if they did, we have a high-low opportunity to counter off it. But this is a pretty classic set with several screen for the screener variations.
Manek iso: Pretty basic here. In this case, Manek is able to do a high post up and isolate from the top of the key. I'm not sure this is a set action, but it's something you can literally go to on any possession if you have a skilled 4 who has an offensive advantage of size or quickness.
Another example of a Manek iso: Almost 100% certain this was a designed set to get Manek a look. He hadn't made a FG to this point. He gets a curl (which people say we never ran... No, we never ran them for bad shooters) from McCoy and takes Wendell Moore to the hoop. Good awareness here from Manek, the coaching staff or both. Mark Williams was out of the game so no rim defense for Duke. Manek has the size advantage over Wendell More. Take him to the front of the rim and be bigger than your smaller opponent. Beautiful.
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#45, Brady Manek, was a friggin' basketball force! When you look at showcases like this... it's amazing! It makes the March '22 Heels look so good.I won't say that we ran set after set for Manek to get open 3's. A lot of it was freelance and Manek knew how to play without the basketball. Something that most good shooters do really well naturally. But we ran some stuff because Manek had the tools to do so. The team might use different language, but here goes.
Split action: Manek and a guard converge (Manek fakes a screen) and they split where the guard cuts backdoor while Manek pops out for the 3. Puts the defense under pressure so any miscommunication that leaves Manek open for 3 will usually result in a quality look. In this case, Leaky was also in inbounder so his defender was out of the picture. And Bacot was the trigger at the top of the key so the lane was wide open. This was a staple for the Warriors early dynasty days.
A counter to the split action: Here, Cam gets a wide open backdoor opportunity. This was probably a backdoor set because Bacot takes the ball from the opposite elbow and dribbles it hard towards Cam and Manek. So I'm guessing this is the backdoor counter off the split action. Cam ends up getting the shot blocked because Leaky is in the opposite corner and the defender can over help off him. But it's a quality set if you have some shooting. Leaky also could've cut to the basket here too to have an open layup on a drop off.
Manek screen for the screener: This is like America's play set for a stretch 4 open 3 look. Manek sets a screen for the ball screener (Bacot) and pops out of the traffic to get an open look. Duke didn't defend this well, but if they did, we have a high-low opportunity to counter off it. But this is a pretty classic set with several screen for the screener variations.
Manek iso: Pretty basic here. In this case, Manek is able to do a high post up and isolate from the top of the key. I'm not sure this is a set action, but it's something you can literally go to on any possession if you have a skilled 4 who has an offensive advantage of size or quickness.
Another example of a Manek iso: Almost 100% certain this was a designed set to get Manek a look. He hadn't made a FG to this point. He gets a curl (which people say we never ran... No, we never ran them for bad shooters) from McCoy and takes Wendell Moore to the hoop.
With Roy we didn't really run as many set plays, Roy wanted them to push pace, get out and run and in half court play thru free lance. On the other hand last season we were having set plays called nearly every time down, was every time off a made basket. We ran our set plays to death, Roy used them situationally, as in we need a big basket lets run a elevator for Marcus. The sad part is we practiced very little free lance last season yet the vast majority of our sets fell back to free lance, it was head scratching?
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