Calipari Out-Calipari's Himself!
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Although this is clearly Cal pimping the system again, I truly can't say I blame him for using this to his advantage.
The new rule itself is absolutely ludicrous in the first place. Even though the NCAA couldn't care less about academics, this is a blatant slap to any academic interest the NCAA pretends to uphold. The rule simply encourages more kids to leave early. On top of that, it creates the ability for schools to essentially stockpile recruits. Kids will commit to schools with players whose positions may still be filled. Unless of course players start dragging out their recruitments until May 25th. And no one wants to see that.
Was only a matter of time before someone found a loophole in this ridiculous rule. Just didn't expect it to be so soon.
The new rule itself is absolutely ludicrous in the first place. Even though the NCAA couldn't care less about academics, this is a blatant slap to any academic interest the NCAA pretends to uphold. The rule simply encourages more kids to leave early. On top of that, it creates the ability for schools to essentially stockpile recruits. Kids will commit to schools with players whose positions may still be filled. Unless of course players start dragging out their recruitments until May 25th. And no one wants to see that.
Was only a matter of time before someone found a loophole in this ridiculous rule. Just didn't expect it to be so soon.
Calipari is the master of loopholes and represents everything wrong with college sports. Honestly, the more I have heard him speak over the years, my dislike for him has lessened. He is just trying to make as much money as possible, just like any reasonable person. It is the NCAA that I have grown to hate. They should have K represent them, because both are the biggest hypocrites in college sports.
At this point it is almost funny how open Calipari is about his system. He used to play the happy go lucky coach who just ran into some elite talent. Now he pretty much openly talks about Kentucky being a 1 year destination.
How is this rule different than what it was when Lawson, Ellington and Green tested the waters?
The main complaint then, IIRC, was that it dragged out too long and really made it hard for coaches to recruit. Then they restricted it too much, imo. So if this is something in-between then it's probably a good thing.
Which of our guys should be testing the waters under the new rules?
Justin?
Isaiah?
Berry?
Kennedy?
Justin?
Isaiah?
Berry?
Kennedy?
I loved how they managed to work some UK memorabilia and shirts into the show.
And say what y'all want about Calipari, I like him (but I hate Kentucky). He says what he thinks and doesn't sugar coat things. I like him much better than the likes of Boeheim, Gary Williams when he was still around, and some other folks.
The only reason Meeks should not do it is if he is not 100% healthy. Hicks and Jackson should do it. Berry is the only question mark.
I don't know what the exact details you refer to about Lawson, Ellington, and Green, but what I'm referring to is just what I said in the original post.
This is basically a mulligan on the declaration of a player. In theory, it's great. The problem is that it's clearly going to become something that becomes abused, like Cal is already doing.
If you have until May to say you're coming back, what do you do about the players coming in? That already drag out their recruiting longer than it should? The spot they are trying to fill may potentially still be filled if a guy gets bad draft information. This makes recruiting even more difficult for all parties involved. A lot more than it already is.
On top of all of that, it's just a small band aid trying to disguise the true problem the NCAA refuses to address.......And we all know they will avoid that conversation at all costs.
So Kalipari is going to have his walk ons apply for the draft as we? Suppose every coach in the country did this, the NBA would not be able to evaluate anywhere close to that many kids. It would become a cluster &$#@.
Kal seems to bend over backwards to link himself personally to the NBA, whey the heck don't ya just go to the NBA and be a coach if the NBA is all that you ever seem to be concerned with?
The ONLY thing Kal cares about concerning the university of Ky is that they sign his pay check, he could care less about the school, their fans, or even the players he is supposed to love. It is all about him, what moves his agenda forward, what keeps him in the spot light. The greatest day in a schools history is not draft night, it is winning the NCAAT crown, it is about establishing and continuing on your schools legacy. Not this con man snake oil salesman nonsense personal agenda to glorify himself nonsense we see from him constantly.
Here we are, in the heat of the NCAAT, his team has been dismissed, and rather than find himself out of the spot light for a few more days he has to make this stupid news splash about requiring even his walk on's to apply for the NBA draft? The dude is pathalogical...
Kal seems to bend over backwards to link himself personally to the NBA, whey the heck don't ya just go to the NBA and be a coach if the NBA is all that you ever seem to be concerned with?
The ONLY thing Kal cares about concerning the university of Ky is that they sign his pay check, he could care less about the school, their fans, or even the players he is supposed to love. It is all about him, what moves his agenda forward, what keeps him in the spot light. The greatest day in a schools history is not draft night, it is winning the NCAAT crown, it is about establishing and continuing on your schools legacy. Not this con man snake oil salesman nonsense personal agenda to glorify himself nonsense we see from him constantly.
Here we are, in the heat of the NCAAT, his team has been dismissed, and rather than find himself out of the spot light for a few more days he has to make this stupid news splash about requiring even his walk on's to apply for the NBA draft? The dude is pathalogical...
There's a lot of conjecture at best, and straightup BS at worst, in this post.
"The ONLY thing Kal cares about concerning the university of Ky is that they sign his pay check, he could care less about the school, their fans, or even the players he is supposed to love. It is all about him, what moves his agenda forward, what keeps him in the spot light."
I get that y'all hate Kentucky, and Calipari by association, but the above is some pretty ridiculous conjecture.
I do agree that most of what you quoted is conjecture - but I do think it's pretty clear that Cal has a large ego, and enjoys (borderline needs) the spotlight to be on him frequently. Not that that makes him any less of a coach or that he doesn't care about his players/school because I'm sure he does.
^^ Perhaps Calipari does like the spotlight because of his ego (lots of other coaches do too -- Jim Harbaugh comes to mind immediately), but that does not equate to him not caring about Kentucky or his players. These types of things do not exist in a vacuum; if players at Kentucky disliked Calipari, they would make it known after they left and recruits would be informed of that.
The one-and-done caliber players Calipari convinces to go to UK could go to literally any D1 college and still be drafted in the first round. They could to go Providence like Kris Dunn. They could go to LSU and play on a terrible team, not make the tourney, and still go Top 5 if they're good enough. It's not like UK has a magical quality that gets these guys noticed and drafted high. These guys are just that good already. So my point is if Calipari didn't give a crap about his players, he wouldn't continue to recruit so well.
Hate him all you want for utilizing the OAD rule (nothing illegal or sinister about this by the way), but it's silly to opine that Calipari doesn't care about his players. His recruiting would've long dried up by now.
The one-and-done caliber players Calipari convinces to go to UK could go to literally any D1 college and still be drafted in the first round. They could to go Providence like Kris Dunn. They could go to LSU and play on a terrible team, not make the tourney, and still go Top 5 if they're good enough. It's not like UK has a magical quality that gets these guys noticed and drafted high. These guys are just that good already. So my point is if Calipari didn't give a crap about his players, he wouldn't continue to recruit so well.
Hate him all you want for utilizing the OAD rule (nothing illegal or sinister about this by the way), but it's silly to opine that Calipari doesn't care about his players. His recruiting would've long dried up by now.
And the wonderful thing is YOU are NOT required to agree with it. And by the way, who woulda thought conjecture would be found in a forum dedicated to discussion...LOL
Let me rephrase it another way: can you find evidence (quotes, writer's opinions, former player's comments) that backup what you're opining? Because it seemed like you stated it as fact.
And yes, I'm aware that the point of forum is to discuss things/events from multiple viewpoints, not just one side of the debate -- that's something Tar Heel Radar forgot a long time ago.
I stated my opinion, which I am actually free to do, do you understand the difference between opinion and fact? Is it opinion or fact that someone that craves the constant spotlight care more about themself than those around them? Consider it which ever you need, it is my opinion and you are not required to agree with my opinion.
As for fact, yeah, Kalipari cared so much for memphis and their players, he cared so much for Umass and their players, he cared so much in fact that that he ran out on both of them just as actions undertaken under his watch resulted in final 4 banners being pulled down. Yeah, he cares so much for his program that he declares the greatest day in their history to be NBA draft day? He can not even respect the NCAAT enough to wait until after it is over to go find him yet another spotlight with NBA linkage?
Does a carpenter love his hammer or is it just a tool that he needs to get what he wants done finished? As a Tar Heel you really should understand the difference by the examples set by Dean and continued now by Roy.
Yes, I do. You didn't couch it as "it's my opinion that...." so I apologize for thinking you were stating fact vs. stating your opinion.
This is a good argument for him caring ultimately about himself. IIRC, he's never officially been punished for/linked to the wrongdoing that caused UMass and Memphis to vacate wins -- but it's not a big stretch to infer that he had to have done SOMETHING wrong. I guess I would offer up Pete Carroll as another example that befuddles me. By all accounts, he's the epitome of a player's coach, yet he also bailed on USC before sanctions could come down. I'm not sure how to square those two things in my mind. I see Calipari as being in a similar situation -- a "player's coach" but yet he still bailed when the going got tough. I'm not sure what to make of that.
Calipari's made it pretty clear that he cares about his players' advancement to the NBA. Why? Because everyone he recruits is destined for NBA success. It kinda makes sense. As for not respecting the NCAAT....that's not really his prerogative or his responsibility. He's trying to gain good PR for Kentucky, which will help recruiting, which is a big part of his job. He doesn't owe the other coaches, teams, or the NCAAT anything, in my opinion.
I actually really enjoyed this analogy! Definitely gives me something to ponder.
Very, very few programs are as lucky to have as good of people as head coaches as we have had with Dean and then Roy.
I would say opinion, but in this case I think you're probably right. That being said, one of your previous posts said the only thing he cares about is himself. That's different than saying he cares more about himself than those around them.
I can't say if @TarHeelNation11 knows the difference between opinion and fact, but I'm pretty sure he is free to state his opinion as well.
Kal kinda has to have guys move from frosh season to the NBA for a couple reasons:
1) He needs the roster spot, maybe better stated he needs the open starters spot to be able to offer to the next set of top 10 talents. These one & done kids need the exposure and they crave a starting spot that allows them to be show cased. They are not looking for 6th man of the year awards.
2) He needs to be able to show the next set of one & doners he is now recruiting that his last set all went straight to the NBA after their last Ky game was played. His whole pitch is I told them the same thing and see, yet again it worked just like I will work it with you.
3) Continued branding that he is the one & done coach, so no matter where he is he is the guy that will deliver them to the NBA and no one will do it faster. Same reason Doritos are the center piece of multi-million dollar super bowl commercials, not to brand but to continue on the established brand.
4) Creates a cycle, the more NBA players that he has coached the more he can point to with his next group of recruits.
My point is his approach is IN MY OPINION he uses the situation to move forward his own personal agenda as opposed to the program, players, or fans of that school. His agenda just happens to fit well with the one & done players own agenda, it tends to as well fit the Ky fans agenda because greater talent usually wins and fans are about winning games, titles, and championship more than any one else. I agree, his agenda aligns well with their agendas, and the more he can unite his former players to talk him up again his agenda is played in to.
BUT, IN MY OPINION< it is not about the school any more than it is not about the hammer, it is about the carpenter. That is NOT the approach Dean began at UNC and we now see carried forward with Roy. Both those 2 men cared as much about the walk on kid they coached as they did the super star, their door was and is always open for anything even the lowest walkon kids needs help with many years after they are done as players.
With Dean it was always about the kids first, not getting them to the NBA as quickly as he could but about helping them become fine young men equipted with the tools and skills to succeed in this world of adults. Go back and listen to Marcus Paige's words on senior night about what Roy has done for him, not as a player but as a young man. That is putting the player above your own personal agenda. Dean NEVER looked for the spotlight, that was reserved for his players, Dean shied away from the spot light, he always blamed his success on his players. I love Roy because he learned that lesson well from Dean and carries it forward.
Dean and Roy were and is about selfless sacrifice for your team mates, the program, the school. Not only did and does Roy live that he preaches it to his players, that it about more than themselves, that it is about a whole lot more. Yes, Dean had some knuckle heads, Roy has had some to but the message has not changed.
In the military it is about God, country, family and in that exact order as all more important than the individual much more so that the grandstanding General that dreams of being president one day.
I don't believe I took away his right to state his opinion and I do not believe I was rude to him in any way. Is my opinion and right to express it to be removed because I do not agree with another's opinion and I express that?
You are a stickler for exact wording, I kinda think you understand that the manner in which I expressed that was that "only thing he cares about is himself" and " he cares more about himself than those around them" is saying the same thing. And that is my opinion, my opinion that I do NOT offer as fact. You & I have had this conversation before, do we really need to repeat it on yet another thread?
I actually agreed with your opinion, so I don't have a beef with you there. You asked if it was opinion or fact, so I answered. I never said anything about you being rude because I don't think you were. I actually enjoy reading your post and have no problem with you. That being said, you come across as a little passive aggressive sometimes so that's why I responded. I realize that the post was not directed at me, so in the future I will try not to respond to you unless you ask me a direct question.
Passive aggressive, yeah, I can be guilty of that. My thing is it is at times really hard to totally understand where someone is coming from in a medium like this, pretty much why I use so many words when I reply, even then my tone does not come across as I intend it many times.
I hit back a little hard only because you & I went down the road of opinion vs fact and I felt we were past that and I took your reply as back to that same discussion and didn't really want to go back down a road we had already visited. I did struggle initially to get a feeling where you were coming from but you seem like a reasonable guy and I do not want you to shy away from a discussion. I like our exchanges and I have a better feel for where you come from now so in my book you are good.
I actually do welcome your input on what I say and hope it continues, I promise to try to temper our exchanges a lil better from my end and if you feel I am not being fair to ya please let me know.
By the way, my intention was not to defend Calipari necessarily. I just do not think he's the evil, egomaniacal villain that some on here believe. I just think he goes about building his teams and his program in a 180-degree different way than Roy does. That doesn't make him evil or sinister -- it's just different than what we're used to with Carolina's program.
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