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CFP committee needs to wake up

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It seems they are only holding a weak schedule against UNC. Look, yes the SC loss is bad and the OOC was not great, but UNC is the only team being penalized for it.

UNC was only one a few (maybe one or two) teams that played 2 P5 OOC opponents.
This weekend, FSU and Alabama played absolute cupcakes
Florida barely beat a 2-8 team
Notre Dame barely beat a bad BC team
Oklahoma still has that Texas loss, which is just as bad as SC.

They are just looking for a reason to keep UNC out at this point. The SEC is not as good as everyone at ESPN would like to believe.
 
Does anyone actually believe this team is one of the 4 best in the country? I'm sorry, but I just can't get there. I'm tickled to death to even be in the conversation for the CFP, and this season has been an absolute gift. This team has proven to have tremendous heart and I know we have some truly talented athletes that care about each other and UNC, but I simply don't believe we have the quality depth to actually win the thing.

If someone had told me before the season we'd be positioned where we are I would have been nothing short of ecstatic and I simply cannot bring myself to feel slighted. We shat the bed on national TV against a USuC team that has proven they do indeed suck. No way can I equate that to OSU losing to the chokies last year. USuC is a joke...the chokies made a bowl.

I have enjoyed this run far too much to taint it by tilting at windmills. I refuse to let anything that happens from here on out ruin what has already been magical season, at least to me. It will be made perfect by beating moo (and watching their slack-jawed fans die inside while we do it), winning the ACC and earning the absolute best bowl we can get. But even if we lose the next two, I'm good with knowing UNC won the Coastal and we made the nation take notice.

UNC football is BACK! Eat it moo.
 
Does anyone actually believe this team is one of the 4 best in the country? I'm sorry, but I just can't get there.

I think most would agree with you. But, if we were to finish 12-1 and beat #1 Clemson you would have to give us some serious consideration as one of the top 4.
 
Clemson is going to destroy USuC. Dabo can own recruiting in that state for the foreseeable future and further cement themselves atop the standings. They may score 80.
 
Does anyone actually believe this team is one of the 4 best in the country? I'm sorry, but I just can't get there.....
right now we're a top 15 team (which is GREAT!), but way too inconsistent to be top 10, also no wins over top 10 teams. with a lopsided win over moo u and giving clemson a very tough game in the acccg... maybe top 10. beat clemson and i can talk about top 4 without chuckling.
 
right now we're a top 15 team (which is GREAT!), but way too inconsistent to be top 10, also no wins over top 10 teams. with a lopsided win over moo u and giving clemson a very tough game in the acccg... maybe top 10. beat clemson and i can talk about top 4 without chuckling.

I don't disagree, but you could say the same about several other teams. Who is OSU's win of note? UF's? Heck, Alabama's big win against lsu is looking less and less impressive by the week.
 
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I don't disagree, but you could say the same about several other teams. Who is OSU's win of note? UF's? Heck, Alabama's big win against lsu is looking less and less impressive by the week.
it's seems like a lot of good teams fall apart after raising their hopes and investing their bye week to stop bama, only to get their butts whooped. comparing our tar heels against alabama is not a very convincing argument. LSU is not alabama's only impressive win, in fact their strength of schedule was ranked #3. our strength of sched will get a boost when we play clemson, that's why i say let's beat clemson then we can try to argue our way into the playoffs.
 
Stop dreaming!!!!!! We took ourselves out of it yesterday. Before the game the only hope I saw was we need to blow out VT and MooU like we did Miami and Duke. And of course beat Clemson. But with the close game against a team that may not even become bowl eligible. The only way I think we make it is we need to blow out MooU and Clemson. I'm talking 20 or more point wins. And of course a lot of help with other teams losing
 
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Does anyone actually believe this team is one of the 4 best in the country? I'm sorry, but I just can't get there. I'm tickled to death to even be in the conversation for the CFP, and this season has been an absolute gift. This team has proven to have tremendous heart and I know we have some truly talented athletes that care about each other and UNC, but I simply don't believe we have the quality depth to actually win the thing.

If someone had told me before the season we'd be positioned where we are I would have been nothing short of ecstatic and I simply cannot bring myself to feel slighted. We shat the bed on national TV against a USuC team that has proven they do indeed suck. No way can I equate that to OSU losing to the chokies last year. USuC is a joke...the chokies made a bowl.

I have enjoyed this run far too much to taint it by tilting at windmills. I refuse to let anything that happens from here on out ruin what has been a season that has already been magical, at least to me. It will be made perfect by beating moo (and watching their slack-jawed fans die inside while we do it), winning the ACC and earning the absolute best bowl we can get, but even if we lose the next two I'm good with knowing UNC won the Coastal and we made the nation take notice.

UNC football is BACK! Eat it moo.

Couldn't have said it any better HB. I'm enjoying every minute of this magical season. And the ride isn't over yet, we've got more to accomplish. But regardless of where we wind up ranked, we've taken a big step forward with our football program. The indoor practice facility is a sign of commitment. Things are definitely looking up. The players, staff, and fans all deserve it.
 
Stop dreaming!!!!!! We took ourselves out of it yesterday. Before the game the only hope I saw was we need to blow out VT and MooU like we did Miami and Duke. And of course beat Clemson. But with the close game against a team that may not even become bowl eligible. The only way I think we make it is we need to blow out MooU and Clemson. I'm talking 20 or more point wins. And of course a lot of help with other teams losing

Game control. We were up by 14 with 4 mins left DRIVING. We dominated VaTech on Beamer's last home game. Wouldn't be surprised if we got between 10-12
 
Does anyone actually believe this team is one of the 4 best in the country? I'm sorry, but I just can't get there. I'm tickled to death to even be in the conversation for the CFP, and this season has been an absolute gift. This team has proven to have tremendous heart and I know we have some truly talented athletes that care about each other and UNC, but I simply don't believe we have the quality depth to actually win the thing.

If someone had told me before the season we'd be positioned where we are I would have been nothing short of ecstatic and I simply cannot bring myself to feel slighted. We shat the bed on national TV against a USuC team that has proven they do indeed suck. No way can I equate that to OSU losing to the chokies last year. USuC is a joke...the chokies made a bowl.

I have enjoyed this run far too much to taint it by tilting at windmills. I refuse to let anything that happens from here on out ruin what has already been magical season, at least to me. It will be made perfect by beating moo (and watching their slack-jawed fans die inside while we do it), winning the ACC and earning the absolute best bowl we can get. But even if we lose the next two, I'm good with knowing UNC won the Coastal and we made the nation take notice.

UNC football is BACK! Eat it moo.
HB, I pretty much agree with everything you said. I'm not going to try to convince anyone we are one of the four best teams in the country. However, I'm looking at it kind of like we are in the NCAA basketball tournament and as long as we keep winning, we keep playing. There are plenty of times in that tournament when better teams have lost out and a team makes the Final Four or even wins the whole thing when they may not be the "best" team. Now, I'm not guaranteeing we're going to keep winning or, even if we do, the committee will put us in the playoff, but if that were to happen, I'm not going to apologize for how we got there. Anyway, like you said, I'm ecstatic about the season and the fact we're in this position. Whatever happens it has been a great year.
 
It's nice to, at least, see some of us demanding equal consideration for a job well done. UNC hasn't really earned the same kind of football credibility yet. Although, when I see teams like Navy, Utah, Northwestern,a nd even Iowa and the like (who are also not perennial football powerhouses) being given the consideration they are, it makes me wonder. Apparently you don't need a repeated showing to add to your resume' for consideration. Iowa, to my knowledge, has never been a football powerhouse. They also have an undefeated record. That USC loss is what is keeping us out of the Top 4 conversation. That is what college football has become- a place for perfection. If you get a slight pass, or allowed a one-loss record, it is probably because you have shown, year-in and year-out, that you're among the elite (Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, etc.).

Just enjoy (thoroughly enjoy) that our team is doing as well as it is doing. This season is the best in almost 20 years, with some unprecedented results! Even if we don't get into the CFB Playoff, if we beat Clemson then we are going to a major bowl. Embrace it. here's finally some real hope and expectation for the present and future.
 
Now imagine, if North Carolina can continue this upward trend, Florida State can rebound, Clemson maintains their current stature, and Miami returns to their glory days what the ACC will look like. That is for potential top 10 teams any given year! The ACC is set up nicely to be one of the best power five conferences in America!
 
It seems they are only holding a weak schedule against UNC. Look, yes the SC loss is bad and the OOC was not great, but UNC is the only team being penalized for it.

UNC was only one a few (maybe one or two) teams that played 2 P5 OOC opponents.
This weekend, FSU and Alabama played absolute cupcakes
Florida barely beat a 2-8 team
Notre Dame barely beat a bad BC team
Oklahoma still has that Texas loss, which is just as bad as SC.

They are just looking for a reason to keep UNC out at this point. The SEC is not as good as everyone at ESPN would like to believe.

It is interesting to see how prior rankings are given so much weight. Alabama, for example, is a great team. Based on the eyeball test, should be up there and definitely ranked higher than us.

But they are considered to have one of the strongest strength of schedules in the nation. If Ole Miss beats Miss State next week (think Ole Miss is favored), Alabama will not have beaten a ranked team all year and lost to the only one still ranked (Ole Miss). Now, let's play out the scenario a little further.

How about FL State beating Florida. Seems pretty likely at this point but it's a big rivalry game and so who knows. Fl State looks like the better team, imho. What would UF be ranked?

Who knows as the SEC is so favored but probably not in the top 10 and maybe not top 15. So Alabama goes in and wins, secures their spot in the playoff and deservedly so but would have beaten only 2 ranked teams. Neither in the top 10, and if we win, we would have beaten a team perhaps in the top 25, Pitt, and the number one team in the nation.

Are the schedules then so different at that point? Not really but bet Sagarin has us way down and Alabama way up. Not that we would deserve more than Alabama, but just talking of how expectations and rankings do seem to influence later ranking.

If Alabama loses to either Auburn or UF, they should be out of the picture even if they'd win a series match-up against any other team in the nation.
 
right now we're a top 15 team (which is GREAT!), but way too inconsistent to be top 10, also no wins over top 10 teams. with a lopsided win over moo u and giving clemson a very tough game in the acccg... maybe top 10. beat clemson and i can talk about top 4 without chuckling.

I think we're a top 10 team. We're ranked 11 in the AP poll, and UF who is ranked 10 is a bit iffy. Florida Atlantic nearly beat them, not blowing it like we did with South Carolina with stupid mistakes, but they actually nearly beat them without a lot of question marks.
 
it's seems like a lot of good teams fall apart after raising their hopes and investing their bye week to stop bama, only to get their butts whooped. comparing our tar heels against alabama is not a very convincing argument. LSU is not alabama's only impressive win, in fact their strength of schedule was ranked #3. our strength of sched will get a boost when we play clemson, that's why i say let's beat clemson then we can try to argue our way into the playoffs.

Except was LSU such an impressive win. LSU isn't even ranked now. Alabama has beaten one ranked team and lost to a ranked team.
 
people need to understand that teams change from game-to-game and throughout the year. USC today is not the same USC team that played the first week of Sept. It takes weeks to get to where they are now. Just like UNC isn't the same team we were in Week 1. It takes weeks to get to where we are now. It's not black and white like some of our fans and especially the talking heads and the people who are on the CFP committee think it is.
 
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people need to understand that teams change from game-to-game and throughout the year. USC today is not the same USC team that played the first week of Sept. It takes weeks to get to where they are now. Just like UNC isn't the same team we were in Week 1. It takes weeks to get to where we are now. It's not black and white like some of our fans and especially the talking heads and the people who are on the CFP committee think it is.

Agree. There's need to be some recognition on how teams are playing now, not just very early season.
 
Guys, we are acting like this whole "Rodney Dangerfield" thing is new and unique to us. I seem to recall Boise State having the same arguments a few years ago. They got the same lack of respect we did and not just one season either. Then one hook & ladder play later they were seen as legit. Now, granted, they have dropped a LOT since then, but that was very similar to what we see now. Add TCU and Baylor to that same category. Until you CONSISTENTLY win and beat a few traditional power teams, that is the way it is.

Look, we are sitting at #11 this week after all but giving VT the game yesterday. I didn't watch live, but DVR'd it and watched last night. From the posts here in the game thread I fully expected to see VT mopping the field with us. Well, turns out we pretty much played like crap the first half and then took control in the second half. Where we screwed up was 2 TO's with less than 5 minutes left to let them back in. The first one we were driving it down their throats and had MW not fumbled we would have come away with at least a field goal and milked the clock to the point they would have had no chance. Another TD there and we would be here talking about how great the "blowout" was.

The polls showed what I saw - a team that SHOULD have won handily, but who made costly mistakes and found a way to win. If anything, I think the dook and Miami beat downs were the anomaly and probably gave us more of a skewed idea of what kind of team we have. We are VERY good and should beat moo pretty easily, but, again, they will be on a huge high and we can't overlook them. Any other time we could win going away. At their place and with this being their national championship, I fully expect it to be a nail biter.

And, yes, I am very happy sitting on top of the coastal and playing for the ACC title. I would have never guessed this in a 100 years. Are we getting no respect? Maybe, but lets be honest here, we haven't really deserve it - YET. Beat moo like the red-headed stepchild they are and then beat Clemson and we can talk about respect. I don't expect even in that scenario that we will be in the playoffs, but we should be playing on New Year's Day and against a very good opponent. HUGE strides have been made with this program, so I am going to enjoy what we have now and hope we can consistently stay here. Ask me in a year or two if that happens and we are still left out of the playoffs and I will probably tell you that, yes, we ARE being disrespected. Until then, I am just going to enjoy the ride!
 
I doubt ANYONE had any remote idea our team would be sniffing the Top 10 nationally this season. Most of us would have been thrilled with 8 wins. I'm more preoccupied with trying to get tickets to the ACC CG than worrying about what # we place in the polls. I know we're good and we've had a great season already.
 
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Now imagine, if North Carolina can continue this upward trend, Florida State can rebound, Clemson maintains their current stature, and Miami returns to their glory days what the ACC will look like. That is for potential top 10 teams any given year! The ACC is set up nicely to be one of the best power five conferences in America!

FSU, Clemson, UL .... UNC, UM, VT, UM, PITT ..... the ACC is and will be very competitive in the very near future. I would love to see the ACC expand though to add two more teams but we have some solid teams.
 
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The Committee is probably hurting the Heels for the two FCS opponents....Delaware and North Carolina A&T.

Even those objections re FCS opponents would be overcome if it wasn't for the South Carolina loss.
 
Does anyone actually believe this team is one of the 4 best in the country? I'm sorry, but I just can't get there. I'm tickled to death to even be in the conversation for the CFP, and this season has been an absolute gift. This team has proven to have tremendous heart and I know we have some truly talented athletes that care about each other and UNC, but I simply don't believe we have the quality depth to actually win the thing.

If someone had told me before the season we'd be positioned where we are I would have been nothing short of ecstatic and I simply cannot bring myself to feel slighted. We shat the bed on national TV against a USuC team that has proven they do indeed suck. No way can I equate that to OSU losing to the chokies last year. USuC is a joke...the chokies made a bowl.

I have enjoyed this run far too much to taint it by tilting at windmills. I refuse to let anything that happens from here on out ruin what has already been magical season, at least to me. It will be made perfect by beating moo (and watching their slack-jawed fans die inside while we do it), winning the ACC and earning the absolute best bowl we can get. But even if we lose the next two, I'm good with knowing UNC won the Coastal and we made the nation take notice.

UNC football is BACK! Eat it moo.
Very reasonable remarks. I feel the same way!!!
 
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FSU, Clemson, UL .... UNC, UM, VT, UM, PITT ..... the ACC is and will be very competitive in the very near future. I would love to see the ACC expand though to add two more teams but we have some solid teams.
There won't be any expansion until ND comes aboard fully for football. And at that moment, the value of the ACC Championship Game to TV doubles and the value of the regular season goes up at least 20%.

I think Narduzzi can get Pitt back to Jackie Sherrill days. That will be huge for ACC football developing a sizable and loyal TV following in the northeast and the midwest, which will stick it to the Big Ten. We need Pitt to beat Miami and then win a bowl and finish 10-3, ranked.
 
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Now imagine, if North Carolina can continue this upward trend, Florida State can rebound, Clemson maintains their current stature, and Miami returns to their glory days what the ACC will look like. That is for potential top 10 teams any given year! The ACC is set up nicely to be one of the best power five conferences in America!
And don't forget, VT could snag a big time coach also to add to that.
 
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I've said we deserve 12th for several weeks and i still do. Imo they've been pretty accurate. I think they'll have the top 4 teams playing for the title which is really all that matters
 
There won't be any expansion until ND comes aboard fully for football. And at that moment, the value of the ACC Championship Game to TV doubles and the value of the regular season goes up at least 20%.

I think Narduzzi can get Pitt back to Jackie Sherrill days. That will be huge for ACC football developing a sizable and loyal TV following in the northeast and the midwest, which will stick it to the Big Ten. We need Pitt to beat Miami and then win a bowl and finish 10-3, ranked.

PITT is well on its way to playing a high level ... Narduzzi is a leader and will get results. I think you are right about the TV following ... when we finally get a ACC channel, our footprint is going to be huge. ND might be #4 right now but I dont think they will get in because they wont have a conference championship feather in its cap ... they have to get by Stanford this week but they have enough talent. If this happens, then we might see some smoke about them joining a conference. The other team that I really want is Penn State. I think both of those teams ... ND / PSU would have a positive impact on a ACC TV channel.
 
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Game control. We were up by 14 with 4 mins left DRIVING. We dominated VaTech on Beamer's last home game. Wouldn't be surprised if we got between 10-12
I hope your right. But we only moved up 1 spot in the Coaches and AP poll. So I doubt it. But I hope I'm wrong. I think 15 at best 14.
 
The Committee is probably hurting the Heels for the two FCS opponents....Delaware and North Carolina A&T.

Even those objections re FCS opponents would be overcome if it wasn't for the South Carolina loss.
They said it themselves on ESPN last week when someone asked the committee head. But they need to take in consideration to that if teams like Tennesee and Ohio State stop dropping us from the schedule just because we are not an easy anymore should be concidered also.
 
There won't be any expansion until ND comes aboard fully for football. And at that moment, the value of the ACC Championship Game to TV doubles and the value of the regular season goes up at least 20%.

I think Narduzzi can get Pitt back to Jackie Sherrill days. That will be huge for ACC football developing a sizable and loyal TV following in the northeast and the midwest, which will stick it to the Big Ten. We need Pitt to beat Miami and then win a bowl and finish 10-3, ranked.
Did Pitt lose Sat?
 
PITT is well on its way to playing a high level ... Narduzzi is a leader and will get results. I think you are right about the TV following ... when we finally get a ACC channel, our footprint is going to be huge. ND might be #4 right now but I dont think they will get in because they wont have a conference championship feather in its cap ... they have to get by Stanford this week but they have enough talent. If this happens, then we might see some smoke about them joining a conference. The other team that I really want is Penn State. I think both of those teams ... ND / PSU would have a positive impact on a ACC TV channel.
Your not going to get a Penn State to leave the Big 10
 
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