With Logan Byrd xfering to community college, it looks like Chazz and Elliot are in for a monster battle til the two true frosh get their legs under them
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Lol I still think Ruder could be the man.
Those who see his HS stats are likely to disagree. But film shows his receivers dropping more than a few passes, as well as often failing to get to the clearly open spot where the ball was thrown.
Perhaps Ruder is already a much batter passer than the HS passing stats indicate, because his receivers were not close to his level.
The UNC corps of WRs is very good and deep.
Even if both Elliott and Surratt are no better than they were in 2017?
A true freshman QB who gets Spring is in better shape than a non-star grad transfer QB who was not in Chapel Hill for Spring.
ESPN has Fortin ranked the same as Ruder - 80 (4*)
QB's are second hardest recruit/position to anticipate. 7 on 7 shows you the arm strength, mechanics, tough and some anticipation, but 11 on 11 at college speed is very different mentally in terms of pre and post snap reads for decision-making, then there is the mammoth trying to pile drive you.
So I have trouble guessing which might be better of the two.
QB's are second hardest recruit/position to anticipate. 7 on 7 shows you the arm strength, mechanics, tough and some anticipation, but 11 on 11 at college speed is very different mentally in terms of pre and post snap reads for decision-making, then there is the mammoth trying to pile drive you.
So I have trouble guessing which might be better of the two.
Hopefully the five best ol are all super healthy and can gel, providing some stability for the young guys.
Rumors are now coming out of Chapel Hill are that all four QB's have been encouraged to transfer, as Fedora will be starting Michael Carter at QB. Fedora cited his tremendous NFL potential as the reason behind the move.
Surratt will start.sHe was having a good season until the injury bug but him, as well as seemingly EVERYONE of significance to our team. I expect a bounce back spring, and fall camp, and a decisive win in the qb battle; it is just my opinion though.
This. Everyone forgets his numbers before the injuries started mounting. Ruder is the next great QB but there is a real benefit to sitting a year or two. Learn the playbook and get physically stronger.
Surratt definitely has skills. He's got to learn poise though if he's going to be better than an average QB. Going through progressions and not panicking and just taking off. That's what Elliott brought to the game IMO, though he didn't have some of Surratt's skills (at least not to the same degree). Just hope one of them takes a major step forward this spring and is ready for September (or Ruder gets a very serious look).
Fortin and Ruder both look like they have big time arm strength. Which is something this offense desperately needs.
Surratt's arm strength is pathetic at best. He has zero ability to drive the ball down field or hit timing routes outside of 5-10 yards unless they are right over the middle.
And he runs like a scared girl. And then he gets injured, which is common for guys who play like that.
^Fired up!
But I gotta give Chazz credit for running tough on this one:
He accounted for 336 of the team's 377 offensive yards.
We all knew last season would be interesting QB-wise with byrd/elliot/surratt/harris, but it appears this off-season will be just as intriguing QB-wise.
But I gotta give Chazz credit for running tough on this one:
He accounted for 336 of the team's 377 offensive yards.
We all knew last season would be interesting QB-wise with byrd/elliot/surratt/harris, but it appears this off-season will be just as intriguing QB-wise.
It’s that hesitation I’m talking about. If that dude wasn’t tiny then Chazz probably gets jacked up lol
Yeah, I remember several of those where Chazz almost tripped himself. I think he's used to low-division HS athletes that fall on a single juke. Chazz will be better. Elliot will probably be a tiny bit better just from having more live PT. We'll see about the young guys.
Here is the first thing anyone who is inclined to doubt that Fortin has good potential should think: Kevin Sumlin.
Sumlin has issues as head coach. But he has spotted and signed perhaps more QB talent than any other HC the past few years. Fortin was committed to Texas A&M; Sumlin wanted Fortin and secured his commitment. The only QB commitment Sumlin took for the class.
In addition, Mike Gundy wanted Fortin, and Ok St QBs under Gundy have been quite successful.
For those who do not know, Fortin is a nephew of Steve Bartkowski. I assume that is a reason Cal recruited him so early and hard.
We have 2 QBs in this class who each could become a very good starter. The odds are high, even very high, that at least one of them will not complete a career at UNC.
You are wrong on the arm. Not elite, but plenty for the college game.
He didn't start running like a girl until he was pretty much battered and broken.
No I'm not. I've seen him throw the ball enough now to know he has a rag arm.
In the college game today you need to be able to hit the deep ball to stretch out the defense. And I'm not talking about dropping one in outside of the safety. I'm talking about the kind of arm strength where a guy can let a ball go after the safety has already turned his back and put it on his man 50+ yards downfield.
Stop routes are also extremely effective in the college game. But that requires more arm strength than Surratt has too.
Arm strength is a big factor in the college game. It also means having the velocity to put the ball in tight windows over the middle. A college level QB should be able to throw a slant TOO hard.
If he's the starter then I will be pulling for him just like everyone else. But if he starts turning the ball over or can't get the job done then I hope he's got a short leash.
nightmare flashback to last yr. A starter won't be declared publicly til game one, but hopefully the 'insiders' see that someone has separated by end of spring ball. If the starting spot is still as toss-up in fall camp we're probably in deep doody and the offense will be so-so.
Unless the "toss up" is only because Fed is reluctant to play a freshman.
The only concern I have is one of the two incoming guys ending up on the bench just because they're freshman. I'd give up a win or two this year to establish one of those two guys as the starter for the next four years. That kind of continuity at QB can go a long way with building a program if you find the right man for the job.
you saw an injured freshman in a new offense that lost 90% of its production playing behind a banged up line. i would suggest not making proclamations when then data is incomplete.
but you do you.
What does a banged up offensive line have to do with arm strength?
Chazz arm isn't amazing, but looks good enough on stuff like this:
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Guess i don't know how to embed a gif, hopefully the link above is clickable for folks, if not, then you can copy/paste into a browser.
PS, that gif is from tarheelblog.com which does nice film review and stuff
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Guess i don't know how to embed a gif, hopefully the link above is clickable for folks, if not, then you can copy/paste into a browser.
PS, that gif is from tarheelblog.com which does nice film review and stuff
Fedora seems very reluctant to play a freshman QB. That was central to bringing in Harris, who was low mediocre at LSU - with all Ds focused on stopping Fournette, and with a very large and powerful OL filled with 5 and 4 star recruits, most of them headed to the NFL eventually.
I don't think having a freshman start at QB this year is going to help all that much in 2018 if we can't get the D righted. Fedora's offense means the D is going to hit the field with little rest. If that happens and your D lacks depth, you are at a huge disadvantage late in games.
And I think that goes double for DTs. O think the way Fedora's offense operates means we need 4 very high quality, ready to play DTs, as well as a 5th and 6th DT who can play when required, but a lower level for whatever reason.
Please don’t be so simple.
Banged up line was in reference to how he looked in the pocket and was gun shy. He was constantly being blown up.
Injuries inhibit your ability to perform as an athlete.
Unopen WRs inhibit your ability to throw well.
Limited time in the offense and limited reps with skill players make it hard to perform as a QB. ARW started the year as our 4th WR and finished as our number one option.
Again, you are completely dismissing how Chad looked the first couple of games. His numbers were better than anyone else’s.
If you were an HC with only Elliot and Chazz at your disposal in spring 2017, knowing what you know about both of their performances last yr, wouldn't you also seek additional bodies, like a Grad Xfer?
Chazz wasn't an early enrollee, and he didn't throw very much due to the awful elbow injury, so he wasn't that far from being true frosh, and Fed wasn't reluctant to put Chazz ahead of Elliot..., so I don't see the basis for your statement about reluctance. Austin Davis was a RS Frosh starter (a walk-on at that). As the OC at Ok State Fed was pushing for the younger guys almost every yr, thought it was Gundy's call. Younger Reid got the nod incumbent Woods. Two yrs later younger Robinson got the nod over incumbent Reid. Fed was pushing for both changes, pushing for the younger player rather than the more senior player.
I was talking about his arm strength in case you didn't notice. That has nothing to with "unopen" receivers, and I noticed it long before he ever got injured.
I'm not dismissing the first couple of games. He looked solid in those, and I was as pumped about him as anyone on here. I just don't think he has the arm strength or skills to take us to the next level.
The defense can't possiby not make a big jump forward after all of the injuries last year.
I agree that we need a strong defense line to stop the run so that teams don't run our D ragged and control the time of possession.
Depends on the grad transfer, and whether he could make Spring.
Harris was a typical Les Miles QB: fine all around athlete who was at best a mediocre nothing as a QB. He'd been trained in the LSU system, and even as a JR he would seem like a deer in the headlights many times, as if he weren't quite sure what to do anytime he didn't have an easy handoff to Fournette. What possibly could change that inept QB into somebody who could get the job done at a new school, and without Spring practice?
I have no idea what role Fedora played in getting younger QBs on the field in his short time in Stillwater. I do know that 3 of the 4 worst seasons for OK St under Gundy were Fedora's 3 years there as OC. Ok St has gotten better since then, its QBs racking up wins, and stats. And Gundy continues to play talented freshmen QBs. Mason Rudolph, for example, played as a true freshman in 2014, starting the final 4 or 5 games after injuries. Before that, Gundy had decided that RS freshman Walsh and true freshman Lunt were the 1A and 1B QBs.
Okay, so there is zero basis for "seems very reluctant to play a freshman QB" thanks for clearing that up. But let's not make this thread about Fed.
Back to the original topic of this thread. If either Fortin or Jace is taking reps with the ones during Spring i think it is a fantastic sign (that they are as good as or better than elliot/chazz)
Talk all you want about surratt and his athletic ability. Fact is, he doesn’t have the arm strength for us to be successful in the offensive system we have. His arm is trash honestly and it’s been the knock on him forever. It’s serviceable in the 10-15 yard range but 20 yards and out, it’s bad.
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