Coaches' salaries and buyouts

[WoadBlue]

per USA Today

For ACC schools, the order is (the number is parentheses is the national order:

Dabo (7)
Taggart (12)
Richt (22)
Fuentes (24)
Petrino (25)
Mendenhall (33)
Johnson (41)
Narduzzi (42)
Doeren (43)
Fedora (50)
Cutcliffe (51)
Addazio (52)
Babers (55)
*** Kelly (59)
Clawson (64)

Some thoughts
1. The ACC has only 1 coach in the top ten highest paid, but 5 in the 25 highest paid, and 13 in the top 55.
2. There are 65 members of the Power 5 (counting 5/8ths ACC member Notre Dame) and the lowest paid ACC coach is #64 Dave Clawson, whose school is the smallest P5 member.
3. The lowest paid P5 coach is #74 Justin Wilcox of Cal. As that area is extremely expensive, he might as well be paid peanuts. Wilcox is 2-0 versus Fedora.
4. Schools that pay coaches more than UNC does that should make you think: Oklahoma St, Illinois, TCU, Iowa, Stanford, Kentucky, Louisville, Purdue, Utah, Texas Tech, Northwestern, UVA, Minnesota, Kansas St, Iowa St, Washington St, GT, Pitt, MooU, Vandy, Memphis, Miss St.

 

[KOOL123]

per USA Today

For ACC schools, the order is (the number is parentheses is the national order:

Dabo (7)
Taggart (12)
Richt (22)
Fuentes (24)
Petrino (25)
Mendenhall (33)
Johnson (41)
Narduzzi (42)
Doeren (43)
Fedora (50)
Cutcliffe (51)
Addazio (52)
Babers (55)
*** Kelly (59)
Clawson (64)

Some thoughts
1. The ACC has only 1 coach in the top ten highest paid, but 5 in the 25 highest paid, and 13 in the top 55.
2. There are 65 members of the Power 5 (counting 5/8ths ACC member Notre Dame) and the lowest paid ACC coach is #64 Dave Clawson, whose school is the smallest P5 member.
3. The lowest paid P5 coach is #74 Justin Wilcox of Cal. As that area is extremely expensive, he might as well be paid peanuts. Wilcox is 2-0 versus Fedora.
4. Schools that pay coaches more than UNC does that should make you think: Oklahoma St, Illinois, TCU, Iowa, Stanford, Kentucky, Louisville, Purdue, Utah, Texas Tech, Northwestern, UVA, Minnesota, Kansas St, Iowa St, Washington St, GT, Pitt, MooU, Vandy, Memphis, Miss St.

It’s not just football..I was looking the other day and in 2017 Just on base salary Roy Williams was like 47th...I just shook my head and said only UNC....

 

[TVJ]

It’s not just football..I was looking the other day and in 2017 Just on base salary Roy Williams was like 47th...I just shook my head and said only UNC....

There aren't many Roys - people who love their school and their job enough to stay even though they could command more money elsewhere.
So thankful we have Roy!

 

[tarheel0910]

There aren't many Roys - people who love their school and their job enough to stay even though they could command more money elsewhere.
So thankful we have Roy!

He can command more here if he wants. There isn't a lot of schools that could pay more than we are willing too. I can assure you there aren't 46 more coaches that get paid more than Roy though.

 

[blazers]

Since we know Roy makes more, how we do know the real order of these types of lists?

 

[tarheel0910]

Since we know Roy makes more, how we do know the real order of these types of lists?

You don't really know the real order. They don't make all the numbers available. That's why they put a caveat on those lists.

 

[WoadBlue]

It’s not just football..I was looking the other day and in 2017 Just on base salary Roy Williams was like 47th...I just shook my head and said only UNC....

But at least Roy is an alum. I'd take less to coach UNC than I would to be anywhere else.

But that can't last. We better get with it,

 

[riverswe]

It's going to be tough when Roy finally calls it quits. I'm not worried about the money, we'll come up with that. I'm more concerned with the number of real candidates. Who is out there that could come in at Dean/Roy's level (and will be coaching more than a couple years longer than Roy)? Got to hope he gets an assistant ready I guess. I'm feeling like Brad Stevens, Bill Self, Mark Few...

 

[tarheel0910]

It's going to be tough when Roy finally calls it quits. I'm not worried about the money, we'll come up with that. I'm more concerned with the number of real candidates. Who is out there that could come in at Dean/Roy's level (and will be coaching more than a couple years longer than Roy)? Got to hope he gets an assistant ready I guess. I'm feeling like Brad Stevens, Bill Self, Mark Few...

I would love to have Brad, but I doubt he comes back to college. It might be hard to hire Self. It will depend on how long his show cause order is once he's fired from KU. I think Few is content with were he's at.

 

[riverswe]

agree tarheel, i don't think any of the 3 would come here. but those are the 3 names i think are qualified. K is almost done and he would change. Cal is up there but we're not going out on that limb. izzo has his hands full and he's nearing sunset too. who else is there?

 

[tarheel0910]

agree tarheel, i don't think any of the 3 would come here. but those are the 3 names i think are qualified. K is almost done and he would change. Cal is up there but we're not going out on that limb. izzo has his hands full and he's nearing sunset too. who else is there?

It depends on how much longer Roy coaches. It might be someone from the Roy or UNC tree. King Rice, Jerod Haase, CB McGrath, Hubert Davis might all be options. I'd like to see them accomplish something at a higher level though. Right now Haase is the only one at a P5 level. I'm not opposed to going outside of the "family" though. We should get the best that we can.

 

[TarHeelMark]

KU can keep Self.

But holy crap could they hate us even more if he was the Heels coach?

 

[tarheel0910]

KU can keep Self.

But holy crap could they hate us even more if he was the Heels coach?

I've never understood the hate between us and them. It seems to have died down after they won their most recent championship, but some fans on both sides still hate each other.

 

[TarHeelMark]

I've never understood the hate between us and them.

I know, right. But it started with those idiots who thought Roy would never leave them for his alma mater. Idiots.

 

[uncboy10]

I'd like to see Hubert Davis get a shot.

 

[midline]

I think Hubert is being groomed. Roy has reached the stage where I am pretty sure that he will have the major voice on who succeeds him, and when. Many seem to feel that Dean had a plan like that concerning Phil Ford before circumstances changed that didn't make that possible.

 

[Archer2]

Would love to have Stevens, but I think it will be Hubert. I'm divided about that possibility. I love the guy and feel he would carry on the tradition of high standards set by Dean and Roy. But I worry about his relative lack of experience, especially his lack of HC experience.

I know one thing, I sure hope Roy sticks around for a good while longer and that Hubert soaks up as much knowledge from his mentor as possible.

ETA: zero doubt in my mind that Phil would have replaced Gut if he hadn't gotten yet another DUI. Dean groomed him for that a long time. I think the same thing is happening with Hubert.

 

[riverswe]

I agree with all this archer2

 

[tcb22]

Texas coach.

 

[tarheel0910]

Hubert is a pass for me unless he gets some head coaching experience. Plus he's not exactly a young guy. He would most likely be in his mid 50's. I would definitely want the next coach to keep him on as an assistant though.

 

[Archer2]

Texas coach.

Not for me. He's .500 in his 3 years at Texas and his first year there was his best. His record should be considerably better considering the level of talent he's had to work with.

Hubert is a pass for me unless he gets some head coaching experience. Plus he's not exactly a young guy. He would most likely be in his mid 50's. I would definitely want the next coach to keep him on as an assistant though.

Not worried about his age, he could still coach 15 more years after that. And I think he's unlikely to remain on the staff if someone from outside the "Carolina Family" is appointed HC.

I'm going to be honest and repeat what I've said before. I believe we will see a significant decline in our program after Roy retires. We have been blessed to have two of the top 10 college basketball coaches of all time guide our program for almost 6 decades. That is very rare and special. I think the one coach who could perhaps prevent a significant drop off is Brad Stevens. Would he be ready to leave Boston when Roy retires? Could he wind up in Derm? Who knows.

 

[tarheel0910]

Not for me. He's .500 in his 3 years at Texas and his first year there was his best. His record should be considerably better considering the level of talent he's had to work with.


Not worried about his age, he could still coach 15 more years after that. And I think he's unlikely to remain on the staff if someone from outside the "Carolina Family" is appointed HC.

I'm going to be honest and repeat what I've said before. I believe we will see a significant decline in our program after Roy retires. We have been blessed to have two of the top 10 college basketball coaches of all time guide our program for almost 6 decades. That is very rare and special. I think the one coach who could perhaps prevent a significant drop off is Brad Stevens. Would he be ready to leave Boston when Roy retires? Could he wind up in Derm? Who knows.

I don't see a significant drop off happening because of our history. I think worst case we are a consistent top 20 team with a great chance at winning a title every decade.

 

[Archer2]

I don't see a significant drop off happening because of our history. I think worst case we are a consistent top 20 team with a great chance at winning a title every decade.

Oh, I agree that our history and tradition should make UNC one of the top 5 most desirable jobs in the country, without a doubt. And that should equate to our ability to choose from among the creme de la creme of college basketball coaches when looking for a new coach. But even that doesn't necessarily equate to hitting a homerun.

When I look out over the college basketball head coach landscape, I currently see very few, if any, homerun hires out there. Other than Stevens and perhaps Jay Wright, not a single one comes to mind.

 

[riverswe]

Didn't think about Jay Wright but he's definitely solid. Isn't he on the seasoned side though? Hoping for someone who could be around for 15-20 years

 

[midline]

I don't see a significant drop off happening because of our history. I think worst case we are a consistent top 20 team with a great chance at winning a title every decade.

That's what we all thought when Matt showed up. Go to have the right guy no matter where you are. Look at Georgetown. Used to be a recruiting magnet. Made the wrong choice and stayed with him too long.

 

[riverswe]

Gut didn't exactly leave the cupboard well stocked for Matt either - and he was with Dean for quite a while. I think we'll be in a better position when Roy leaves though.

 

[Archer2]

Look at UCLA, it took two decades for them to win another title, the only one they've won in the 43 years since Wooden retired. Look at Indiana, it's been 18 years since Knight retired after winning three, and they haven't won a title since. Heck, they've only made the Final Four once since then and that was 16 years ago.
Georgetown is another example of a program that basically became inconsequential after the loss of an iconic coach.

Homerun hires are few and far between. Can we catch lightning in a bottle a third time? I'm not confident. I think d00k is facing the same scenario.

 

[riverswe]

It is a little scary. Hard to follow Dean and Roy. Duke has quite a few guys coaching at decent schools - not sure they feel the need to stay inside the family though. I doubt they'll get another K though.

 

[tarheel0910]

That's what we all thought when Matt showed up.

A lot of people thought he wasn't a good hire before he showed up.

Look at UCLA, it took two decades for them to win another title, the only one they've won in the 43 years since Wooden retired

I think you meant since Sam Gilbert retired.

 

[venom660turbo]

 

[venom660turbo]

Sorry wrong board!

 

[TarHeelMark]

A lot of people thought he wasn't a good hire before he showed up.

Agreed... I like Matt, but he wasn't ready for the enormity of the job.

I think you meant since Sam Gilbert retired.

LOL

 

[strummingram]

The dookies will suffer a serious blow when K leaves. It will be just like we will experience. Those kinds of coaches are nearly impossible to replace. The dookies have assistants, but none of them are in the same solar system as K.

I think Jerrod Haase would be a good option. He'd probably keep Hubert around, too.

Good thing this is Blitz! haha

 

[franklin street]

dook can afford anyone they want.
we'll try to go cheap.

if dean hadn't twisted roy's arm into a pretzel we'd have been screwed a long time ago.
thanks to wanda too.

 

[DSouthr]

A lot of people thought he wasn't a good hire before he showed up.


I think you meant since Sam Gilbert retired.

Very true, the list of folks that felt Matt was a bad choice absolutely included Dean Smith. ND was not heart broken when Matt left, their players were actually happy about it. But Baddour was manically driven to keep the job exclusive to Alums and our coaching tree, he should have been fired for that decision.

 

[riverswe]

There was something strange about that hiring. I think they knew whoever took the job was going to be gone in a few years and had to run off several guys on the team who just didn't have the talent to be here. In Matt's defense, he did get rid of some guys and recruited a great class that Roy turned into a NC team. Not saying it was a good hire but some good did come out of it.

 

[tarheel0910]

There was something strange about that hiring. I think they knew whoever took the job was going to be gone in a few years and had to run off several guys on the team who just didn't have the talent to be here. In Matt's defense, he did get rid of some guys and recruited a great class that Roy turned into a NC team. Not saying it was a good hire but some good did come out of it.

He did recruit a good class, but they almost transferred because of him.

 

[riverswe]

That's why he had to go. He ran off everybody, good and bad. But running those bad guys off made it possible to get the good guys. And by bad I only mean not basketball talented enough to be successful at UNC.