TarHeelIllustrated - Daily Drop: Is UNC's 11-Man Roster Enough?
North Carolina’s basketball roster for next season is set, and the Tar Heels are using 11 of 13 allotted scholarships,
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TarHeelIllustrated - Daily Drop: Is UNC's 11-Man Roster Enough?
North Carolina’s basketball roster for next season is set, and the Tar Heels are using 11 of 13 allotted scholarships,northcarolina.rivals.com
no its not enough without a big thick guy in the middle11 is Enough! Especially if the 11 are broken down into depth at every position! With the reports (totally expected by me) of High's improvements in practice, JWash motivated and healthy, JWit continuing his steep learning curve, Seth continuing working on shooting + handles, EC working on his shooting + D, Capt + Drake providing multiple role/swiss army knife types, RJ being RJ but more so, and the addition of Tyson + Lubin-UNC is set up for something special! I know the staff has scoured last year's film and have bolstered all weaknesses by now too! We have the horses to beat peeps at their game; and could stomp those who try to play ours!
Excellent post, could not agree more!I don't think that question can be answered yet. Eleven is fine IF:
the transfers deliver Manek/Ingram levels of performance
Washington/High show they can be effective over long stretches on the court
Cadeau can make the freshman to sophomore jump we need
the freshmen are able to contribute
a couple of players (apart from RJ) show they are consistent outside threats.
That's a LOT of questions but not impossible. Hubert has shown he can coach when plan A works but has not proven he can adjust when he has to go plans B or C. NIL and the portal has completely changed the landscape of college basketball. The days of being able to rely on the development of guys who saw spot minutes the previous season but are now ready for the big stage are gone - those guys tend to look elsewhere if they don't get their minutes. Dudley Bradley contributed little his first two seasons but developed his skill set and was a key player his junior and senior seasons. Hubert Davis played a little over 5 minutes a game as a freshman.
So many unknowns at this time - all fans can do is speculate. If you look at the glass half full then UNC is a FF threat, if it's half empty then the unproven inside game and absence of outside shooting to help RJ is great cause for concern.
I enjoy your optimism so don't lose it!To be clear Center WAS addressed. We have 3 guys that have played 5. Shooting WAS addressed. We have shooters at every position except possibly 1 and i bet 1 will be serviceable. We had NO other needs. So.....
I don't see any reason to be anything but optimistic!
How many teams got a bacot this coming year? Look at Houston team there bigs are 6-7 and 6-8 they always in top 5. Look at Baylor 2021 nat championship team there front court was 6-8 and 6-5 with super good guards . Jwash is 6-10 with 7-4 wing span, Lubin 6-8 with 7-1 wing span. Let’s compare Aidoo avg 11pts 6 Reb, Cliff avg 10pts 9 Reb, now Lubin avg 12pts 6 Reb, last month he avg 16 and 12 in the Sec. Jwash playing 28-30min can avg 13-15pts 8 Reb. If Jwash was in the portal you know how many teams would have been going crazy to get him. Jwash going to pull bigs away from rim bc of his ability to shoot. Him and Lubin can play high/low. Not to mention Jwit who will have much better year. Jwash is capable of being a good shot blocker with his 7-4 wing span. We didn’t get to see the whole package bc he only played 9-10 min behind a legend. We get to hung on this high profile transfers, most are overrated. We also got Zay and Brown. HD knows what he doing. He really going to run those NBA sets. UNC4L!I enjoy your optimism so don't lose it!
Sorry my friend but I do not agree we handled our center need, we brought in a power forward to cover the need for a center. That is not a swipe at Lubin, 6'9" 235lbs played the 5 for Vandy yeah, I get that. I get that Jwit played some center for Lville before coming to us but they were power forwards playing out of position due to need. We lost Bacot, a huge 6'10" 265 lbs wide shoulders big butt, physically strong man that is the all time UNC double double rock. Nor did we bring in a guy that is a big time shot blocker that covers up a lot of guard mistakes defensively. We are now looking at replacing Bacot with a rising Jr that played 8mins a game last season, in my book poorly prepped for what we now need for him. I say poorly prepped because of his sad lack of minutes last season.
Now I passed along a week or so ago that I was hearing whispers that High may be over expectations right now, I have to see that before I can really wrap my head around it but if he can in fact take a huge step up then he could be the solution to our problem at the 5. I am going to be looking extra hard at what he weighs in to begin next season, if he is able to add 15lbs to that frame we may in fact have a player that can book end with Jalen and give us shot blocking and boards with that big tie motor and touch of aggression on the court. So maybe Hubert looks at that and feels his 5 problem has been solved interannually and didn't need the external solution from the portal? All I have to go on is what I saw last season, Hubert has much better view of that than I or any of us have. On this site High is listed as 6'9" and 225lbs, not sure what his reach is but I suspect it may be 7'1" or maybe a touch more and he does get up a little bit more than Bacot did. At 240lbs, 15 more lbs High could be a VERY different player.
The other real question for me is Brown, we (myself included) have tended to write him off for next season. Brown is listed at 6'10" and 210lbs but he looks to me like he has a frame that can add good weight easier than maybe High. Brown actually lost some weight going in to his last high school season, if that was just losing baby fat to add muscle fine. He reminds me a bit of a freshman Bacot, Bacot was a bit thicker I think but Bacot added a good bit of muscle weight after getting to us that really helped him become the players he was. I think Brown will have to do the same thing but if I recall correctly (may be off) I think Bacot came to us around 225lbs or played at that as a freshman. If Brown can add muscle this off season and get to 225lbs he could give us some minutes, will have to wait and see.
^How many teams got a bacot this coming year? Look at Houston team there bigs are 6-7 and 6-8 they always in top 5. Look at Baylor 2021 nat championship team there front court was 6-8 and 6-5 with super good guards . Jwash is 6-10 with 7-4 wing span, Lubin 6-8 with 7-1 wing span. Let’s compare Aidoo avg 11pts 6 Reb, Cliff avg 10pts 9 Reb, now Lubin avg 12pts 6 Reb, last month he avg 16 and 12 in the Sec. Jwash playing 28-30min can avg 13-15pts 8 Reb. If Jwash was in the portal you know how many teams would have been going crazy to get him. Jwash going to pull bigs away from rim bc of his ability to shoot. Him and Lubin can play high/low. Not to mention Jwit who will have much better year. Jwash is capable of being a good shot blocker with his 7-4 wing span.
I would suggest that when the portal opened up, there really was only 3 guys that Hubert wanted (big men that would help us at the 5 spot) the Raymound kid from Stanford, Aidoo, and Kalkenbrenner (who many felt was going to enter the portal and felt UNC had the inside track for him). As we know, Raymound decided to stay where he was, Kalkenbrenner did not enter the portal, and Aidoo danced around so much that Hubert just got tired on the nonsense.Thanks D. My optimism is bullet proof!
Thanks Coach for stating exactly what I was thinking! Either bball is changing OR it isn't! We can't play both sides of the fence. Peeps complained all year about Bacot and some claimed he was actually holding us back due to Hubs being so loyal to him! NOW, he is the second coming of Wilt! I love me some Bacot and I believe his game and leadership is pivotal to all of the success his teams had, but even my stuck in tradition eyes have been forced to see that the game is morphing!
Two things can be true at the same time!
1. Hubs wanted a 7 foot, shot blocking and rebounding beast
AND
2. We have enough in the front court stable now to be successful
Hubs, unlike many of us, was not so focused on a single body type that he lost sight of paying attention to fit + character! He missed on O and Aidoo and he hit on Lubin. If Lubin, JWash, JWit, High, and JB aren't enough for 4 and 5, then so be it! If any 3 of them step up, however, we are golden! I have seen enough to be almost 100% certain that Lubin and JWit will be excellent. I have seen enough to know that JWash will make his sophomore style jump (it is his first time having 2 relatively healthy off seasons). I am optimistic High will be able to give some quality minutes and I have a feeling that peeps are sleeping on JB!
Go Tar Heels!
6'7 Withers, huh? Keep going... I'm sure you get our guys down to 5'11 and 98 pounds.Teams we will face this year that will be a challenge for us given our small front court.
Kansas:
Hunter Dickinson, KJ Adams, Flory Bidunga
dook:
Cooper Flagg, Khaman Maluach, Patrick Ngongba II, Maliq Brown
Alabama:
Clifford Omoruyi, Aiden Sherrell, Grant Nelson, Jarin Stevenson
UConn:
Tarris Reed Jr., Alex Karaban, Samson Johnson
Those are just the most talented and physically imposing ones I see on our schedule. But as we learned last season even a scrub team like NC State can ride a beefy big man to success. And we have no one to defend opposing teams' beefy big men.
We're going to ask 6'8" Lubin to guard 7 footers like Dickinson. We're going to ask Washington, a guy who is physically weak and often falls over, to bang with guys like Omoruyi. We're going to ask 6'7" Tyson and 6'7" Withers to defend 6'11" stretch 4s like Grant Nelson. You have to be wearing really really tinted blue shades not to see the potential problems.
So, he shrunk 2 inches since last season? Ok....He's the same height as Tyson.
I find it surprising that you'd be unfamiliar with UNC's long history of fudging player's official heights.So, he shrunk 2 inches since last season? Ok....
Seriously? Hell, Dean used to shrink them. He kept Brad Daugherty at 6'11 after he'd reached 7'2.I find it surprising that you'd be unfamiliar with UNC's long history of fudging player's official heights.
For instance, the 2022-2023 official UNC roster listed Leaky Black at 6'9". The 2023 G-League Combine measured Leaky at 6'6.25" barefoot. There isn't a pair of Jordans out there that adds nearly 3 inches to someone's height.
Seems like you just want to argue over something you're clearly wrong about for no reason other than your dislike of me.Seriously? Hell, Dean used to shrink them. He kept Brad Daugherty at 6'11 after he'd reached 7'2.
And I don't remember ever seeing Leaky being listed at 6'9 (unless it was a misprint), and nobody sober who watched him play would have ever said that.
Nonetheless, Withers is every bit as much 6'9 as anyone in the country listed at 6'9, no matter how much you seem to want to diminish our frontcourt.
I'm not "wrong" about a damned thing.Seems like you just want to argue over something you're clearly wrong about for no reason other than your dislike of me.
Whether you remember it or not Leaky Black was listed at 6'9" on the online roster, the media guide, and before every single television/radio broadcast of the 2022-2023 season. It was literally impossible to even watch or listen to a UNC game and not be told that Leaky is 6 foot 9 inches tall. The previous season, 2021-2022, UNC officially listed Leaky Black at 6'8". These aren't "misprints." These incorrect heights are intentional.
Harrison Ingram was listed by UNC as 6'7" this past season. He measured 6'5.25" barefoot at the combine. So he's not 6'7" even in the biggest pair of Jordans.
Withers is not 6'9". RJ Davis is not 6'0". UNC has a long history of not correctly reporting some players heights. Whether you choose to accept that or not makes no difference to me.
I'm not "wrong" about a damned thing.
Oh, and just for fun, here are several sources from 2021-22 (including the official one), and not a single damned one had Leaky at 6'9:
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2021-22 Men's Basketball Roster - University of North Carolina Athletics
The official 2021-22 Men's Basketball Roster for the North Carolina Heelsgoheels.com
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2021-22 UNC Tar Heels Men's Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
Check out the detailed 2021-22 UNC Tar Heels Roster and Stats for College Basketball at Sports-Reference.comwww.sports-reference.com
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North Carolina Tar Heels 2021-22 Basketball Roster - Tar Heel Times
Complete roster for the 2021-2022 UNC Basketball teamwww.tarheeltimes.com
Sure, RJ is not 6'0, and neither was Joel Berry --- so what? News flash: Pretty much EVERY program fudges up heights.
As for Withers, tell me when he was actually looking up to anybody he played against? I've never personally measured him, but I can sure as hell tell you that his 6'9 listing is every bit as legit as you'll see on any other roster in the country.
I don't think the roster is good enough and I'm disappointed massively in the portal approach. When u can't out recruit the likes of Kansas St something is broken.
Spot on, Andrew. I played with and/or coached enough guys to be pretty accurate as to height estimates.I've stood next to RJ more times than I can count, and he's at the most 6-0, and maybe a tad shorter. I'm just under 5-11 and he's slightly taller.
I've stood next to Withers enough to know he's absolutely taller than Leaky, whom I stood next to probably at least 75 times. Withers is 6-9. He is a little shorter than Armando. That jumped out at me in the locker room at BC. He was giving Armando a hard time about something, and Armando went over to him laughing. Both stood up side-by-side and I was struck by how Withers was almost the same height.
If you're referring to Hawkins, he was not a priority for us, as Lubin fills our specific needs better.I don't think the roster is good enough and I'm disappointed massively in the portal approach. When u can't out recruit the likes of Kansas St something is broken.
I don’t care how tall Withers is - he can’t guard any of those guys listed.6'7 Withers, huh? Keep going... I'm sure you get our guys down to 5'11 and 98 pounds.
Well he did guard Nelson and that’s why he got time against bama. Hes one of the few that slowed him down. Idk some of the other guys but I’d imagine he can hang with Flagg.I don’t care how tall Withers is - he can’t guard any of those guys listed.
GMAB.I don’t care how tall Withers is - he can’t guard any of those guys listed.
In the post of mine that you quoted I literally told you Leaky was listed at 6'8" on the official 2021-2022 roster. Why would you post links that showed I was correct like it was some type of gotcha??I'm not "wrong" about a damned thing.
Oh, and just for fun, here are several sources from 2021-22 (including the official one), and not a single damned one had Leaky at 6'9:
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2021-22 Men's Basketball Roster - University of North Carolina Athletics
The official 2021-22 Men's Basketball Roster for the North Carolina Heelsgoheels.com
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2021-22 UNC Tar Heels Men's Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
Check out the detailed 2021-22 UNC Tar Heels Roster and Stats for College Basketball at Sports-Reference.comwww.sports-reference.com
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North Carolina Tar Heels 2021-22 Basketball Roster - Tar Heel Times
Complete roster for the 2021-2022 UNC Basketball teamwww.tarheeltimes.com
Dude, get a grip. Leaky was here seemingly forever and IIRC when he got here he was listed at 6'7 (which in shoes was probably about right), but again, so what?In the post of mine that you quoted I literally told you Leaky was listed at 6'8" on the official 2021-2022 roster. Why would you post links that showed I was correct like it was some type of gotcha??
Here is Leaky listed at 6'9" on the official 2022-2023 roster.
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2022-23 Men's Basketball Roster - University of North Carolina Athletics
The official 2022-23 Men's Basketball Roster for the North Carolina Heelsgoheels.com
Here is Leaky listed at 6'9" on the official 2022-2023 Media Guide.
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2022-23 MBB Media Guide - University of North Carolina Athletics
2022-23 MBB Media Guidegoheels.com
Reading is fundamental Gary. Seriously, next time read the post you are responding to slowly before you respond.
Dude, get a grip. Leaky was here seemingly forever and IIRC when he got here he was listed at 6'7 (which in shoes was probably about right), but again, so what?
Who TF even cares what was on a roster sheet in his last season? As I said, maybe someone on the basketball staff had a typo, or maybe they wanted to enhance his draft status (as if they don't measure, sheesh) --- again, who cares?
Great question, would LOVE to see the answer for it, so far crickets!Who did K-State beat out UNC for?