Daily Drop: Should UNC Amend Rules For Jerseys To Hang In The Rafters?

[andrew jones]

TarHeelIllustrated - Daily Drop: Should UNC Amend Rules For Jerseys To Hang In The Rafters?

In this Drop, Jacob & AJ discuss if UNC should tweak its qualifications for a player's jersey to hang in rafters.

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[tarheel0910]

No. It should be hard to get up there.

 

[strummingram]

Is this motivated by Armando's inability to meet the criteria? I'm not sure one player's ... albeit, an all-time GREAT UNC PLAYER... inability to meet the criteria is worth changing it. Maybe it is! I would say that if you get the Everett Case Award you deserve a JITR. Maybe swap that with Olympics. I agree with the pod that the Olympics is not really relevant anymore.

But, I agree with @tarheel0910 that it should be difficult to get up there. I think winning the Everett Case Award has a pretty steep level of difficulty. I have my doubts that any player in UNC history that has won it was also meeting the other criteria and has a JITR.

It's a fun topic to discuss, however.


ETA: If you add the ACCT MVP as a stipulation... I think Lee Dedman, JohnKuester, Dudley Bradley and Brandan Wright would get a jersey, now. 4 jerseys for four memorable players in the history of the program is still a difficult accomplishment... but, maybe not enough.

 

[Bubspub88]

No. If they want to tweak the criteria since Olympics have pretty much excluded college players then maybe allow if someone gets both regular season and tourny mvp's in same season.

Retiring a jersey needs to be for exceptional success and achievement, not just a really good player that we like.

 

[andrew jones]

Is this motivated by Armando's inability to meet the criteria? I'm not sure one player's ... albeit, an all-time GREAT UNC PLAYER... inability to meet the criteria is worth changing it. Maybe it is! I would say that if you get the Everett Case Award you deserve a JITR. Maybe swap that with Olympics. I agree with the pod that the Olympics is not really relevant anymore.

But, I agree with @tarheel0910 that it should be difficult to get up there. I think winning the Everett Case Award has a pretty steep level of difficulty. I have my doubts that any player in UNC history that has won it was also meeting the other criteria and has a JITR.

It's a fun topic to discuss, however.


ETA: If you add the ACCT MVP as a stipulation... I think Lee Dedman, JohnKuester, Dudley Bradley and Brandan Wright would get a jersey, now. 4 jerseys for four memorable players in the history of the program is still a difficult accomplishment... but, maybe not enough.

It's not motivated, but that he hasn't qualified got me thinking, and I think two-time first-team All-ACC in a 15-team league is awfully impressive and deserves to be added while the Olympic part is removed.

 

[strummingram]

It's not moticated, but that he hasn't qualified got me thinking, and I think two-time first-team All-ACC in a 15-team league is awfully impressive and deserves to be added while the Olympic part is removed.

He still has one more season. He might still get one.

 

[andrew jones]

He still has one more season. He might still get one.

Absolutely, and I think it's a big reason he came back.

 

[DSouthr]

I would love to see Bacot qualify to have his jersey raised but I am not in favor of easing the rules to allow him to have that honor. It simply has to be a hard goal to reach, I believe easing it for 1 kid in a fashion "cheapens" it a bit for those that actually earned it. Bacot has a great opportunity to earn it, either honored or retired, go take what you want, raising your jersey is not a participation trophy, it is a hard thing to achieve, it should remain that way. I would eliminate the Olympic aspect simply because it is out dated.

 

[tarheel0910]

It's not moticated, but that he hasn't qualified got me thinking, and I think two-time first-team All-ACC in a 15-team league is awfully impressive and deserves to be added while the Olympic part is removed.

It is impressive, but I think it should be based on all the teams in college basketball, not just the 15 teams in the ACC. As far as the Olympic part goes, is there anyone up there only because of that?

 

[DrJaaay]

I would be happy for Bacot if he gets his jersey up there, but most fans will remember him either way ... along with a lot of the other guys that didn't get theirs. I'll admit that there are some really old jerseys up there that I know very little about.

 

[imajericho]

Meeks deserves it before Bacot, and we didn't change the rules for him.

 

[andrew jones]

Meeks deserves it before Bacot, and we didn't change the rules for him.

Nobody is changing the rules for anyone, and Armando is a better player than Kennedy was.

It's more an idea moving forward. The Olympic qualifier is antiquated, but with a 15-team ACC, a two-year first-team guy is pretty special. A LOT of players whose jerseys are hanging weren't two-time first-teamers in a smaller ACC.

 

[imajericho]

Armando is a better player than Kennedy was.

What? What!? WHAT!?

You serious!?!?

 

[andrew jones]

What? What!? WHAT!?

You serious!?!?

Yes. Not by leaps and bounds, but Armando is better.

 

[imajericho]

Per 40

Category Bacot/Meeks
2P% 55.6% / 55.5%
FT% 66.2% / 63%
PTS 19.9 / 19.3
TRB 14.7 / 13.7
AST 1.8 / 1.8
STL 1 / 1.3
BLK 1.8 / 2
TO 2.7 / 2.4

ORTG 118.3/118.5
DRTG 97/94

Almost statistically the same but Meeks improved every year and had his best year as a senior. He played with another big at all times in a 2 post system. And he is a national champion, which his tip out for a rebound was essential for that championship to happen. Meeks has a better o and d rating as well.

Bacots best season statistically was his junior year.

I would have accepted as good as Meeks, but better? That's a tough one to swallow there.

 

[andrew jones]

Per 40

Category Bacot/Meeks
2P% 55.6% / 55.5%
FT% 66.2% / 63%
PTS 19.9 / 19.3
TRB 14.7 / 13.7
AST 1.8 / 1.8
STL 1 / 1.3
BLK 1.8 / 2
TO 2.7 / 2.4

ORTG 118.3/118.5
DRTG 97/94

Almost statistically the same but Meeks improved every year and had his best year as a senior. He played with another big at all times in a 2 post system. And he is a national champion, which his tip out for a rebound was essential for that championship to happen. Meeks has a better o and d rating as well.

Bacots best season statistically was his junior year.

I would have accepted as good as Meeks, but better? That's a tough one to swallow there.

Meeks was never doubled every time he touched the ball. He didn't play during a chaotic time. He had really good PGs his entire time. Stats are great, but there are other aspects, too. And Armando improved each year as well, including last year. The numbers were down because of other factors. But before teams started doubling him on every touch, he was in position for ACC POY. He had displayed an improved offensive game without question.

You also can't discount his historic six-game performance getting to an NCAA title game, one UNC would have won had he not been on a verty bad ankle.

It's subjective for sure, but Armando is also a two-time first-team All-ACC member. Stats matter a ton, but so does that.

 

[DSouthr]

My 2 cents but yeah, Bacot is/was better than Meeks by a strong margin. I put Bacot in the category of Haywood or Big Brad, really good classical centers, I have Meeks just below that level and no disrespect toward Meeks, he was very solid for us. That Jr season for Meeks was a bit of a head scratcher but he was dealing with a back injury that was not talked about.

 

[imajericho]

I'd put Meeks ahead of Bacot. If Meeks was rhe sole source in the middle and didn't have to share the rebounds with another big, his numbers woulda been much higher.

During that tournament, people wanted to find a way to get Meeks jersey in the rafters and were hoping he was named MOP.