Dallas

[Nuk'EM Heels]

We are watching our country fall apart before our eyes: Very recent and multiple terror attacks on our own soil; demonstrated inability of elected officials to govern on the national level; inability to prosecute a proven liar, obstructer of justice, and cabinet official guilty of espionage; two idiots running for POTUS who have no business 1000 miles from the WH; and, >$19T in national debt.

 

[Blue2010]

We are watching our country fall apart before our eyes: Very recent and multiple terror attacks on our own soil; demonstrated inability of elected officials to govern on the national level; inability to prosecute a proven liar, obstructer of justice, and cabinet official guilty of espionage; two idiots running for POTUS who have no business 1000 miles from the WH; and, >$19T in national debt.

Good post.

 

[TarHeelMark]

dang... I was just in Dallas 2 weeks ago, just a few blocks from this attack. Sheesh, the world is getting uglier by the minute.

 

[UNC71-00]

We are watching our country fall apart before our eyes: Very recent and multiple terror attacks on our own soil; demonstrated inability of elected officials to govern on the national level; inability to prosecute a proven liar, obstructer of justice, and cabinet official guilty of espionage; two idiots running for POTUS who have no business 1000 miles from the WH; and, >$19T in national debt.

If what you are saying is true, there is really nothing that can (or will) be done about it.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

If what you are saying is true, there is really nothing that can (or will) be done about it.

I think what I'm saying is true, we are falling apart as a nation. We are fractured. We are divided. We are hopelessly partisan with no intention or hope to be reconciled. You listen to the partisans in Congress, the Executive branch and the Judiciary - it is all nativist and hyper-partisan. Our media divides us and feeds us like lambs to the slaughter and pushes a one-sided narrative that alienates half the country. We are segmented into grievance groups that refuse to reconcile with each other - and, it's been that way since the early 1970s; but, it has deepened and widened in recent years. There is no hope for compromise along any and all lines. I think we are looking at the possible nascent stages of the onset of civil war - open and armed civil war.

 

[UNCWayno]

Nuk'EM:

I agree with you on so many levels. The divisiveness that has been created in our nation over the last 7-8 years is unbelievable. And it's not going to get better any time soon. Just sad. When you've got morons voting for morons this is what happens.

 

[UNC71-00]

I think what I'm saying is true, we are falling apart as a nation. We are fractured. We are divided. We are hopelessly partisan with no intention or hope to be reconciled. You listen to the partisans in Congress, the Executive branch and the Judiciary - it is all nativist and hyper-partisan. Our media divides us and feeds us like lambs to the slaughter and pushes a one-sided narrative that alienates half the country. We are segmented into grievance groups that refuse to reconcile with each other - and, it's been that way since the early 1970s; but, it has deepened and widened in recent years. There is no hope for compromise along any and all lines. I think we are looking at the possible nascent stages of the onset of civil war - open and armed civil war.

So basically you are saying that I should stock up on ammo?

I disagree about the civil war though. But as far as the country going down this shitter, any thoughts about how to stop the flush, or is it too late.

 

[gteeitup]

the divisiveness has been a constant, but didn't escalate to this level until bush...and if you didn't recognize it then, shame on you.

 

[GACMAN]

the divisiveness has been a constant, but didn't escalate to this level until bush...and if you didn't recognize it then, shame on you.

and has gotten 100 times worse in the last 8 years under the idiot obama and his USA hating wife....and if you don't see that then shame on you!!!!

 

[strummingram]

Times have been MUCH worse. I believe that we will improve as a society after these events finally subside and compassion prevails. I don't expect, nor want, nor look for, any help from politicians, in order to do it. I follow my better nature. I have plenty of examples to emulate to get the results I want.

 

[IDUNK4HEELS]

Blue lives matter

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

So basically you are saying that I should stock up on ammo?

I disagree about the civil war though. But as far as the country going down this shitter, any thoughts about how to stop the flush, or is it too late.

One side or the other will have to capitulate, imo. No one, including the vast majority of leaders, are willing to compromise.

Stocking up on guns and ammo is not a bad idea, actually, as we devolve into chaos.

Our demise will not be unlike that which occurred in the old Soviet Union.

the divisiveness has been a constant, but didn't escalate to this level until bush...and if you didn't recognize it then, shame on you.

This is the kind of come-back that makes my point.

 

[gteeitup]

One side or the other will have to capitulate, imo. No one, including the vast majority of leaders, are willing to compromise.

Stocking up on guns and ammo is not a bad idea, actually, as we devolve into chaos.

Our demise will not be unlike that which occurred in the old Soviet Union.



This is the kind of come-back that makes my point.

it wasn't a come-back...obama has many faults, but dividing a country because of race is ridiculous.

by all means though, run out to get your ammo if you think you'll need it.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

it wasn't a come-back...obama has many faults, but dividing a country because of race is ridiculous.

by all means though, run out to get your ammo if you think you'll need it.

I never mentioned Obama. And, I'm pretty sure we are going to need more ammo.

But.... Since YOU mentioned Obama, let's have that conversation about how he has divided the nation along racial lines at every opportunity. TODAY was yet another perfect example. Obama mentioned BY NAME the two people shot by police in the line of duty in MN and LA. Yet, he didn't find it within himself to mention BY NAME the police who were shot by a black militant bent on mayhem who deliberately gunned them down because he wanted to kill white people, especially white police officers. He refused to mention that police officers were protecting peaceful demonstrators against the police, that many of those same officers ran to protect protesters from gun fire and in doing so were gunned down in cold blood. During many of those demonstrations in various cities, black people were taunting police officers, telling them that more of them should be shot. This is the environment that Obama has fostered, and he own it. And, I have little doubt he has fostered it by design in order to usher in additional fundamental transformations in America. A key element in being able to usher in that fundamental change will be to eliminate gun rights in this nation - there is little doubt about that.

 

[strummingram]

Obama has no problem drone-bombing innocent brown people in Syria, or Iraq. So, I doubt he plays a dual role as a champion of brown people in America. He doesn't prefer blacks over whites. He doesn't prefer Muslims over any other religious club. He's not very different from any other recent President I've seen. But, if you're plugged-in to a political information feed that is bent on the exact opposite being true- to make their market shares, ratings and paychecks go up- you'll easily find yourself believing that he is a Muslim who hates white people and wants to take their guns. If you unplug yourself from it, it will appear differently.

I'm ashamed of Obama for allowing innocent people to be killed in their homeland and we, as a country, are going to be held accountable by the survivors. To me, that is a disgusting thing to do to other human beings. But, I also know that many Americans have absolutely no problem with those deaths. If you're okay with that, then you have that much in common with Barack.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

Obama mentioned himself 45 times during the memorial service yesterday for the five slain police officers in Dallas. It's always all about him...

 

[gteeitup]

I never mentioned Obama. And, I'm pretty sure we are going to need more ammo.

But.... Since YOU mentioned Obama, let's have that conversation about how he has divided the nation along racial lines at every opportunity. TODAY was yet another perfect example. Obama mentioned BY NAME the two people shot by police in the line of duty in MN and LA. Yet, he didn't find it within himself to mention BY NAME the police who were shot by a black militant bent on mayhem who deliberately gunned them down because he wanted to kill white people, especially white police officers. He refused to mention that police officers were protecting peaceful demonstrators against the police, that many of those same officers ran to protect protesters from gun fire and in doing so were gunned down in cold blood. During many of those demonstrations in various cities, black people were taunting police officers, telling them that more of them should be shot. This is the environment that Obama has fostered, and he own it. And, I have little doubt he has fostered it by design in order to usher in additional fundamental transformations in America. A key element in being able to usher in that fundamental change will be to eliminate gun rights in this nation - there is little doubt about that.

actually, you're wrong...not only did he mention each officer in detail, but also their family members that will no longer get to play with dad, see her husband, or post their enjoyable memories on social media.

he mentioned more than once that they wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere else, but trying to protect citizens of dallas.

now, maybe you listened to something else, perhaps filtered through some media source...and i'm sorry you believe he has some agenda to divide america and take away gun rights for law abiding citizens...that's just not the case...as long as you are law abiding, which i assume you are, you're golden.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

actually, you're wrong...not only did he mention each officer in detail, but also their family members that will no longer get to play with dad, see her husband, or post their enjoyable memories on social media.

he mentioned more than once that they wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere else, but trying to protect citizens of dallas.

now, maybe you listened to something else, perhaps filtered through some media source...and i'm sorry you believe he has some agenda to divide america and take away gun rights for law abiding citizens...that's just not the case...as long as you are law abiding, which i assume you are, you're golden.

You must be talking about his remarks during the memorial service in Dallas on Tuesday. However, he made no reference to police officers BY NAME on Sunday during his contemporaneous remarks in Warsaw Poland immediately after the massacre - I watched his speech on TV. He did, however, mention BY NAME the black guys killed by police in MN and LA during those same remarks.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

Obama didn't mention the officers by name before those names had been released or their families had been notified? The shame!

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

Obama didn't mention the officers by name before those names had been released or their families had been notified? The shame!

I believe those names had been released by the time Obama spoke on Sunday.

Per CNN:
The victims
The five slain officers were identified on Friday.
Dallas Police Officers Lorne Ahrens, a 14-year veteran of the department, and Michael Smith, a 27-year veteran, were both killed, according to local media reports and Smith's sister, who spoke to CNN affiliate KFDM.
CNN affiliate WDIV said Dallas officer Michael Krol was killed. The last two officers were Dallas officer Patrick Zamarripa and DART Police officer Brent Thompson.
Police have said at least 10 officers were shot by a sniper and one officer was shot in a shootout at the parking garage. It's not clear where the 12th officer was shot.
Who are the slain officers?
A few of the wounded officers remain hospitalized, police said. Brown called for the community to support them.
"We don't feel much support most days. Let's not make today most days," Brown said. "Please, we need your support to be able to protect you from men like these, who carried out this tragic, tragic event."

 

[UNC71-00]

Here's the thing- Obama has been called out for doing this before- where he shows preference for one party over another involved in recent similar situations, if not in the same situation.

At this point, he should be cognizant he is going to piss a sizable number people off if he doesn't give both sides the same treatment. So either he's an idiot or he doesn't care if he angers people during times of high tension. Neither of those traits are desirable.

His presidency will ultimately be remembered as where he attempted to forward a social agenda centered around victimization and the result was he created a greater social divide with no real improvement for real victims. He will also be shown to be one of the most partisan and arrogant presidents ever. Other than that, he has been completely unremarkable, which is not a bad thing.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

His presidency will ultimately be remembered as where he attempted to forward a social agenda centered around victimization and the result was he created a greater social divide with no real improvement for real victims.

Yes. The issue here is that he's not confused, or thinking that he's doing something different than he actually is. He knows that he's forwarding a social agenda centered around victimization. The problem is that he thinks that's a good thing for the country, whereas in actuality I think it is creating the greater social divide with no benefit for the real victims - as you alluded to.

 

[UNC71-00]

Yes. The issue here is that he's not confused, or thinking that he's doing something different than he actually is. He knows that he's forwarding a social agenda centered around victimization. The problem is that he thinks that's a good thing for the country, whereas in actuality I think it is creating the greater social divide with no benefit for the real victims - as you alluded to.

I don't know if he thinks it is good for the country or not. I tend to think he is a typical politician and is taking care of his supporters, because they make money off of the racial divide and culture of victimization and they put him into office so that they could make money off of his policies and programs.

Just like Dick Cheney took care of Halliburton, Obama takes care of the NAACP, ACLU, Plaintiff's Bar, Acorn, etc.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Just like Dick Cheney took care of Halliburton, Obama takes care of the NAACP, ACLU, Plaintiff's Bar, Acorn, etc.

Right. The difference is when you rip on Cheney for Halliburton - you get a nice pat on the back for standing up against Big Oil. When you rip on Obama for NAACP - you get pinned a racist.

 

[UNC71-00]

Right. The difference is when you rip on Cheney for Halliburton - you get a nice pat on the back for standing up against Big Oil. When you rip on Obama for NAACP - you get pinned a racist.

The effectiveness of pinning someone as a racist has dropped off big time considering how overused it has become. Actually, I think it is a badge of honor to be called one these days- it means that you were able to get under some liberal kook's skin.

I also think some part of Trump's popularity comes from this. People are tired of being accused of racist, bigoted behavior where none existed or if it did exist, was certainly unintended and would be rectified as soon as the offending party became aware. Along comes a guy who every liberal kook calls a racist bigot, yet the evidence actually shows otherwise. Furthermore these kooks hate Trump with every bone in their body- they actually prefer Rush Limbaugh to Trump. A vote for Trump seems like a tangible way to fight back against all of the absurdities of the past 7 years and people are mad enough now to fight back.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

Wow! you can tell who watches Fox news on here and who doesn't! damn... that is who is dividing us... the media!

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

interesting

 

[tarheel0910]

Wow! you can tell who watches Fox news on here and who doesn't! damn... that is who is dividing us... the media!

Why do you have an obsession with Fox News? You seem to mention it a lot. If you hate it so much just don't talk about it or don't single them out when you talk about the media. Things like that are why people on this board think of you as a liberal and not the middle of the road person you claim to be.

 

[strummingram]

Wow! you can tell who watches Fox news on here and who doesn't! damn... that is who is dividing us... the media!

No... the media is not dividing anyone. The media is just there, just like a gun, or more like a syringe of heroin . They're only effective or useful if people allow them to be used or indulged. If you indulge in the media's bias, they'll gladly oblige and reinforce it as long as you will listen. Pretty soon, you're locked-in. You stopped thinking for yourself a long time ago! "Someone did something? Better look at the 'news' and make sure my instinct is reinforced by my political propaganda! --CLICK-- Yep! I was right! I hated it just like I thought I did!"

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

Why do you have an obsession with Fox News? You seem to mention it a lot. If you hate it so much just don't talk about it or don't single them out when you talk about the media. Things like that are why people on this board think of you as a liberal and not the middle of the road person you claim to be.

obsession???? hmmmm interesting... well, watch that video I just posted up there. They are biased! Plain and simple. and you too @strummingram watch that video... the media HAS to divide us... what would they do besides twiddle their thumbs if we all got along and sang campfire songs together all day??? They would not report that! When they stir the pot, they keep the money rolling in for them.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Why do you have an obsession with Fox News? You seem to mention it a lot. If you hate it so much just don't talk about it or don't single them out when you talk about the media. Things like that are why people on this board think of you as a liberal and not the middle of the road person you claim to be.

Yup. The liberal rallying cry of "Fox News!!!11!1" shows who is winning the media war. Does Fox News have an agenda, let bias slip into their programming, and spin news the way they want to? Yes. But so does CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, and all other types of media. The difference is the left-leaning media and/or groups have been rallying against Fox longer and more intensely than the reverse.

 

[strummingram]

Why do you have an obsession with Fox News? You seem to mention it a lot. If you hate it so much just don't talk about it or don't single them out when you talk about the media. Things like that are why people on this board think of you as a liberal and not the middle of the road person you claim to be.

It's not hating Fox News, to me. It's being alarmed at how it placates peoples' biased attitudes. In a way, it's trying to tell people to stop consuming that poison. What difference is it to be liberal or conservative or middle-of-the-road politically? I couldn't care less about a label like that. Are you using your own instinctive, intuitive nature? Are you thinking and acting with empathy? Or, are you motivated by fitting-in with what the majority prefers? I can assure you, TV News media is not interested in helping people advance their ability for critical thought at ALL.

 

[strummingram]

obsession???? hmmmm interesting... well, watch that video I just posted up there. They are biased! Plain and simple. and you too @strummingram watch that video... the media HAS to divide us... what would they do besides twiddle their thumbs if we all got along and sang campfire songs together all day??? They would not report that! When they stir the pot, they keep the money rolling in for them.

I've seen that video. Hughley was on after Mark Furhman. Hughley is just as obstinate as Kelly. That's why he was chosen to be on the show--- RATINGS! Kelly and Fox, and CNN and MSNBC, all have a product to sell. You can buy it or leave it on the shelf. I don't trust politicians and I have even less trust for these people who make their living peddling their opinions OF politicians.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

Yup. The liberal rallying cry of "Fox News!!!11!1" shows who is winning the media war. Does Fox News have an agenda, let bias slip into their programming, and spin news the way they want to? Yes. But so does CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, and all other types of media. The difference is the left-leaning media and/or groups have been rallying against Fox longer and more intensely than the reverse.

I agree they all are bias in different ways. In fact, the day following the Dallas shootings, I deliberately had my TV's tuned into Fox, CNN and MSNBC to see how each was reporting the shootings. The angle was different on Fox than it was for the other two. While they all reported both sides of the issue (cops/racism), Fox was more focused on the police and the other two were focused more on the racism aspect of it. Yesterday, when the son of the man killed in Baton Rouge held a press conference asking everyone to protest in peace and stop the violence, etc. Fox did not show it, they were talking about Trump and then the cops, briefly showed the part about this kids press conference, it was the opposite on the others. They are ALL biased but lean in two different directions most of the time.

 

[UNC71-00]

Wow! you can tell who watches Fox news on here and who doesn't! damn... that is who is dividing us... the media!

I can't remember the last time I turned on the news. I think it was election night 2012.

And although the media plays a significant role, there are others on both sides who are also culpable. In fact, I would say the very worst influence on our society is the plaintiff's bar. But it should also be noted which party is the beneficiary of the vast, vast, vast majority of contributions from trial attorneys.

 

[strummingram]

I can't remember the last time I turned on the news. I think it was election night 2012.

And although the media plays a roll, there are others on both sides who are also culpable.

I hadn't watched it in years until earlier this year during the Michigan primaries. I wanted to see if Sanders could beat Clinton. I think it was CNN that I watched. They broke EVERY country and district down into which was black or white. I wish I had a nickel for every time "black" or "white" was spoken by their "experts."

 

[tarheel0910]

obsession???? hmmmm interesting... well, watch that video I just posted up there. They are biased! Plain and simple. and you too @strummingram watch that video... the media HAS to divide us... what would they do besides twiddle their thumbs if we all got along and sang campfire songs together all day??? They would not report that! When they stir the pot, they keep the money rolling in for them.

So your response to my post about you being obsessed with Fox News is to single out Fox News and then talk about the media as if it is separate from Fox News? My point was why are you separating them out? What’s the need to specifically point them out? It seems like an obsession to me. As far as the video goes, I refuse to watch anything with D.L. Hughley. He is a huge racist and not worth my time. Megyn Kelly gets on my nerves too, but at least she looks hot .

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

So your response to my post about you being obsessed with Fox News is to single out Fox News and then talk about the media as if it is separate from Fox News? My point was why are you separating them out? What’s the need to specifically point them out? It seems like an obsession to me. As far as the video goes, I refuse to watch anything with D.L. Hughley. He is a huge racist and not worth my time. Megyn Kelly gets on my nerves too, but at least she looks hot .

Well, I guess I should not do that but since Fox "news" is technically an entertainment company created by the same person that runs The Sun in the UK, which is a rag itself, I dunno, I just have a hard time putting it in the same category. I'll say they do attempt to make it like the regular "news" but they definitely have a bias. Back in 2007, Sean Hannity was berating Ron Paul following a debate about something, I will have to try to remember the details but I do remember that when his favorite republican had the very same idea a couple of years later, he was in love with the idea suddenly! That network is a joke! GMAB

 

[tarheel0910]

Fox was more focused on the police and the other two were focused more on the racism aspect of it.

What’s your point? Fox is supposed to focus on the possible racism aspect of it because you say so? To me it makes sense to focus on the people who were just shot less than 24 hours ago, but it doesn't matter either way.

Yesterday, when the son of the man killed in Baton Rouge held a press conference asking everyone to protest in peace and stop the violence, etc. Fox did not show it

Interesting, I guess they should have showed it.

they were talking about Trump and then the cops, briefly showed the part about this kids press conference

Wait, what? You just said they didn't show it. Maybe what you meant to say was they didn't show enough of it to meet your standards?

 

[tarheel0910]

Back in 2007, Sean Hannity was berating Ron Paul following a debate about something, I will have to try to remember the details but I do remember that when his favorite republican had the very same idea a couple of years later, he was in love with the idea suddenly!

Well, Sean Hannity isn't actually part of the news portion, he's a commentator. Most people get that confused though, so don't feel bad. He is annoying as hell though.

That network is a joke! GMAB

Never said it wasn't.