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Developing Trimble Drawing Praise From Teammates

Trimble is definitely next up, I know it is odd to say, but I personally feel this is RJ's last year at UNC (Just a feeling). Trimble is on pace to take this team over next year just fine if that happens.
 
And yet, still we are told after every game that this kid is not now a PG nor will he be a PG? You don't have to be a guru all you need is a set of eyes that work and a mind willing to see. It really boggles my mind to read after every game how Seth is not a PG and yet watch him doing things that define a PG, things that simply define a UNC PG. Team first mentality, pass first mentality, already a lock down defender of the opposing teams best ball handler, does exactly what his coaches tell him, get the ball to Bacot every trip down. Folks, he is doing this stuff as a freshman and he is doing it playing behind our starting back court that started in the last natty game!

Watch, I do, watch Seth lock up on the opposing PG that RJ was defending and that guy drive, RJ is a half step to a step behind, Seth stays right in his grill no matter how deep he is taken in to the paint. Watch, the kid get hit with a high pick, same high pick that forces a switch from RJ or Caleb, Trimble either fights thru or goes under so quickly he is able to pop to the other side and not lose a step or fight thru if there is a sliver of light..

The ONLY weak spot I see in his game right now is that his jump shooting does need work, has some mechanics in his stroke that need to be addressed, that will be his focus point for the next off season, he is shooting totally on feel right now with poor mechanics. But that will get worked out just as Joel had to work on his jump shooting after his freshman season.

Roy since coming back to UNC, had 4 great PGs play for him (great in college) in Ray, Ty, Kendal, and Joel. Of those 4 only Kendal and TY had that one special PG trait that was other worldly, that allowed him based on that 1 ability to be considered one of our best PGs ever and that was his passing ability for Kendal and TYs speed with the dribble. The rest were all around great PGs for us but Kendal's ability to pass was special, TY's speed was amazing. Well Trimble has well that one special ability that stands out above all else and that is his ability to defend, it is as special as Kendal's ability to pass the ball was.
 
Where will he go?
If RJ were 6'4" he would very likely already be gone, gone before Caleb. But he is really about 5'10" and the NBA does not like that metric, same reason Joel Berry is not an NBA player today, just to short. Doesn't mean he can't play just means he is not likely to get much of a chance. His $$$ will come from Europe.
 
And yet, still we are told after every game that this kid is not now a PG nor will he be a PG? You don't have to be a guru all you need is a set of eyes that work and a mind willing to see. It really boggles my mind to read after every game how Seth is not a PG and yet watch him doing things that define a PG, things that simply define a UNC PG. Team first mentality, pass first mentality, already a lock down defender of the opposing teams best ball handler, does exactly what his coaches tell him, get the ball to Bacot every trip down. Folks, he is doing this stuff as a freshman and he is doing it playing behind our starting back court that started in the last natty game!
So was Theo Pinson, Leaky Black and a few other Tar Heel greats.

Seth is a very good player who is able to play on and off the ball right now, but he is still a ways from being a PG capable of running the traditional Carolina offense that has been so successful for the last 50 year. It's a "mindset", for some it's natural and for others it may develop over time.
While some people think he may never get to that point I'm not going that far, at not this season. I have noticed some improvement since game 1, but it's been miniscule at best.
Let's see what develops over the next year or 2.
 
So was Theo Pinson, Leaky Black and a few other Tar Heel greats.

Seth is a very good player who is able to play on and off the ball right now, but he is still a ways from being a PG capable of running the traditional Carolina offense that has been so successful for the last 50 year. It's a "mindset", for some it's natural and for others it may develop over time.
While some people think he may never get to that point I'm not going that far, at not this season. I have noticed some improvement since game 1, but it's been miniscule at best.
Let's see what develops over the next year or 2.
It is a mindset? Now I have shared individual traits of a PG and frankly Seth tips everyone of those PG traits off the list, the only weakness right now is his jump shooting. Of course, he is a freshman, he is still learning, but specifically when you say he does not have that PG mindset what exactly do you see him lacking in?

Theo nor Leaky were the level of defenders as freshmen that Trimble is as a freshman or even close.
 
Trimble reminds me of former Arizona guard Reggie Guery. (Google him) powerfully built, great lower body defensive menace. Guery became a nice offensive piece as an upperclassmen, and a terrific leader for Lute Olsens teams.
 
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It is a mindset? Now I have shared individual traits of a PG and frankly Seth tips everyone of those PG traits off the list, the only weakness right now is his jump shooting. Of course, he is a freshman, he is still learning, but specifically when you say he does not have that PG mindset what exactly do you see him lacking in?
1. Not seeing the entire floor on the dribble drive, especially the kick out.
2. Dribbling into bad areas and picking up his dribble and/or causing poor spacing.

p.s. He's not alone in any of the above but this thread was specifically about him.
 
1. Not seeing the entire floor on the dribble drive, especially the kick out.
2. Dribbling into bad areas and picking up his dribble and/or causing poor spacing.

p.s. He's not alone in any of the above but this thread was specifically about him.
Well lets look at that.

Trimble averages .6 TOs a game, I would think a kid that "Dribbling into bad areas and picking up his dribble and/or causing poor spacing." would have a lot of TOs from it, you know, like Caleb and RJ had as freshmen or even their TO% this season (2.5 for Love and 2.2 for RJ).

Now it appears that both your allegations say the same thing, cute how you say the same thing twice yet want it to appear as 2 different questions, with no concrete evidence that proves your point. Did you watch that yourself and see that as a re-occurring problem for our FRESHMAN PG? Do you realize that what you say Trimble is doing wrong is pretty much a blanket statement you could make on the nature of all freshman PGs, those that contain that are the special ones, you know, as those able to have a less than 1 TO per game stat?

Further, do you realize that most of Trimble's minutes have not been at the PG position, the ball has not often gone thru him, it has been going thru RJ and Caleb. Has he dribbled in to trouble, well yes he had, yes EVERY PG has, Caleb and RJ do that all the time, you must really hate them being on our team? Actually, if you watch Trimble play you should be able to note that his head is consistently up, which gives him the ability to see the court really well, you should as well realize that has been a particular problem for Caleb and RJ, dropping their heads on drives so they can not see the court.

IN addition, I find it hard to reconcile your allegations of how the kid is playing vs the words of his team mates and his coaches, well written about and linked right here on this site. His teammates rave about playing with him but maybe they are not in your echo chamber? How about the opinions from people like Andrew or David Sisk, do you pay any attention at all to what they are saying about the kid?

Don't you find it interesting that Trimble begins to get extended PT and directly afterward we go on a 4 game win streak? Do you realize that the dribble in to trouble was actually a component of the 5 out scheme we were trying to play that was thrown out after the VT game because it induced way to much dribble and found defenders collapsing down on the guy trying to penetrate the lane for us.
 
Sort of lost me as well on this tread as well tarwhiz, not sure who is being discussed. Please, will you clarify superstar57?
 
Sort of lost me as well on this tread as well tarwhiz, not sure who is being discussed. Please, will you clarify superstar57?
It read like he meant R.J. but I find it hard to believe anyone would think Davis would consider transferring. He has been given a great deal of freedom in this offense, and I think that continues regardless of his running mate.
 
Sort of lost me as well on this tread as well tarwhiz, not sure who is being discussed. Please, will you clarify superstar57?
He is talking about RJ, it was in a reply to Holden a few posts up. RJ isn't going anywhere until he no longer has eligibility and frankly, the program cannot allow a situation where he would leave. RJ carries a LOT of clout with that NYC foot print Hubert is cultivating.

Not only is RJ not going anywhere, he will continue to start for us until his eligibility is done. Truth is it is not going to matter who we recruit in, RJ will start, you just don't bench your 3 year starter for a recruit especially when that starter comes from directly in the foot print you want to expand on, just the way it is. To do so would be near program suicide...

Now could RJ move over to the 2 if Love leaves, sure he could, in fact that is exactly what I would want to see happen. But Caleb is hovering around being the 47th pick in the next draft per most of the mocks and while that can improve if he stays at 47 (update, looking at 3 mocks today Caleb has fallen hard from 47), I do not see him leaving. Do you see him moving up from 47 to the first round, if he does then he would have to play out of his mind the rest of the season, to tall an order IMO. There are 60 picks in the draft, at 47 he would be on the later half of the 2nd round and he would be going to a likely play off team, there are 16 play off teams, meaning picks (in round 2) picks which means the last 16 picks go to play off teams unless some draft deal has been made. So beginning with pick 44, those picks go to play off teams, meaning harder roster to make (not that there is an easy roster to make in the NBA). IN fact (update I just checked) the NBA draftroom site projects him to go at pick 59 to the Sixers. Bleacher report does not have him listed, SI has him at 55 going to the Hornets, means he is a small slip away from being out of the draft. FYI, Bacot nor RJ are listed in any of the mocks I checked today, nor is Leaky FYI. Honestly, Leaky may be the guy that ends up with the more solid NBA career (seeing a 2nd contract) if a team feels they can develop his shooting stroke and turn him in to a 3&D guy.
 
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Since by nature I am a positive and wildly optimistic person, I will focus on what Seth is and not what he isn't from now on! Peeps seemed to have latched on way too strongly to what is mild and fair criticism of him to date! We need all 3 guards to be successful and I think Hubs has it just right as he apportions the PT!

RJ is a lifelong Tar Heel IMO
Caleb will be drafted pretty high if he continues to grow his game on his current trajectory
Seth will be a real problem on both ends of the floor as he continues to earn more PT
Dunn and Washington getting healthy will make an incredible difference to this team
Nance is slowly finding his niche and will tweak his D and spend more time inside the arc
Bacot is in beast mode and will scare the pants off opponents going forward
Puff will reset and then show more of his swiss army knife game going forward
TNick will increase both his PT and his impact on games-scoring + D + rebounding
Styles seems to be finally getting it and, with consistent effort, will see his minutes increase
Hubs and staff have made the perfect response to personnel and they will continue o tweak our O + D

All of this adds up to a pretty special season even by Tar Heel standards!
Wow it really is a GDTBATH!
 
TP, Tarwiz, Arch, I just edited with more current mock draft info the post you guys liked. I was writing the update when you guys read what I initially said before the edit. Caleb has fallen from the 47 spot, of the 3 mocks I checked, he was not listed on one and was 55 and 59 in the other 2, a small slip away from being un-drafted. Wanted to make you guys aware of that.
 
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Since by nature I am a positive and wildly optimistic person, I will focus on what Seth is and not what he isn't from now on! Peeps seemed to have latched on way too strongly to what is mild and fair criticism of him to date! We need all 3 guards to be successful and I think Hubs has it just right as he apportions the PT!

RJ is a lifelong Tar Heel IMO
Caleb will be drafted pretty high if he continues to grow his game on his current trajectory
Seth will be a real problem on both ends of the floor as he continues to earn more PT
Dunn and Washington getting healthy will make an incredible difference to this team
Nance is slowly finding his niche and will tweak his D and spend more time inside the arc
Bacot is in beast mode and will scare the pants off opponents going forward
Puff will reset and then show more of his swiss army knife game going forward
TNick will increase both his PT and his impact on games-scoring + D + rebounding
Styles seems to be finally getting it and, with consistent effort, will see his minutes increase
Hubs and staff have made the perfect response to personnel and they will continue o tweak our O + D

All of this adds up to a pretty special season even by Tar Heel standards!
Wow it really is a GDTBATH!
I respect you for that TP but you already knew that! LOL

What has me annoyed is it is the same shade thrown at the kid after every single game and it is by 2 people and a 3rd (the guy ( was replying to) to a lesser extent. Not once, not 1 single time do I recall a single thing from those guys that is positive toward Seth. I can see if he plays bad for a game to tell it like it is, I will do that if he has a bad game. That is what we do when we critique a player, we discuss both the good and the not so good we see in their play for that game and it is both good and not so good for all the players because they at times have good games and at times poor games. How is it that someone can watch every single game we have played this season and never share anything but negative shade toward the kid's play?

Example, I have been really hard on Caleb but he has played what is in my opinion fantastic in some games this season, has seemed to embrace doing exactly what I have been wanting to see from him, making the extra pass, limiting his TOs, driving and passing the ball when the defenders converge on him. I have not just discussed his better play but I am ecstatic to see it, really proud of the kid's play in this winning stretch of games. Or more personal to you is the way I now consider Leaky, you recall how it was YOU that told me I was being to hard on the kid and how that season went, I honestly think Leaky may have been our MVP last season and could well be our MVP for this season when it is over. When you have a guy you can stick on the other teams best scorer and your guy will shut him down, that is a weapon very few teams have, IMO we now have 2 of those guys in Leaky and Seth.
 
That is a fair assessment on Seth and Leaky, most teams only have one lock down defender, others with none. Most games are won with defense intensity, which the best teams will have off shooting nights. It's possible once Washington is completely healthy, he may reach this plateau as well.
 
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Are you talking about R.J? Hard following the comment trail.
R.J. is not going to any other College program, he will graduate after scoring 1,500-2,000 points as a Tar Heel.
Of course I hope this doesn't happen, but if next year Love goes some pro route, and no GG to replace Bacot.

Why would RJ not consider playing for a team that is a PG away next year?

The thread is about Trimble, I think there is a real possibility he is our PG next year.
 
Of course I hope this doesn't happen, but if next year Love goes some pro route, and no GG to replace Bacot.

Why would RJ not consider playing for a team that is a PG away next year?

The thread is about Trimble, I think there is a real possibility he is our PG next year.

RJ loves the University of North Carolina & I would put his chances of playing collegiately in a different uniform at less than 1%.
 
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Of course I hope this doesn't happen, but if next year Love goes some pro route, and no GG to replace Bacot.

Why would RJ not consider playing for a team that is a PG away next year?

The thread is about Trimble, I think there is a real possibility he is our PG next year.
I have asked this on a couple other threads today, where is Love and Bacot going to go? So I don't have to repeat why I ask this, check out what I have said in those other couple threads. I would put the odds right now at around 80% that both are back with us for next season. In order to leave early you must first have a place to go to and their destination (in their minds anyway) is the NBA but if the NBA is not willing to draft them then why would they leave? Europe maybe but both command big time NIL deals now and those deals will grow even sweeter if they do in fact return. Do they leave $2mil a year in NIL to hopefully make some where close to that in Europe? Doubtful...

Bacot recently said he would die for this program, that sound like a guy that would leave with remaining eligibility and it not be because he is drafted by the NBA?
 
I have asked this on a couple other threads today, where is Love and Bacot going to go? So I don't have to repeat why I ask this, check out what I have said in those other couple threads. I would put the odds right now at around 80% that both are back with us for next season. In order to leave early you must first have a place to go to and their destination (in their minds anyway) is the NBA but if the NBA is not willing to draft them then why would they leave? Europe maybe but both command big time NIL deals now and those deals will grow even sweeter if they do in fact return. Do they leave $2mil a year in NIL to hopefully make some where close to that in Europe? Doubtful...

Bacot recently said he would die for this program, that sound like a guy that would leave with remaining eligibility and it not be because he is drafted by the NBA?

D, January of last year, so many in this fanbase were down on Love & said “where’s he going to go?”, no way he’s NBA ready. Fast forward to April & he’s a late 1st rounder. I think the same could happen this year except he’s light years ahead of where he was 12 months ago. However, I agree with you on Bacot, I’ll play as many minutes in the NBA as he does. I hope he pulls a Leaky & sticks around for year 5.
 
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TP, Tarwiz, Arch, I just edited with more current mock draft info the post you guys liked. I was writing the update when you guys read what I initially said before the edit. Caleb has fallen from the 47 spot, of the 3 mocks I checked, he was not listed on one and was 55 and 59 in the other 2, a small slip away from being un-drafted. Wanted to make you guys aware of that.
Thanks for the update D. I am of the opinion that draft status be damned, Caleb is professional bound after this season. His confidence in his own abilities will trump the critics and he will have a nice career. I think it will be in the NBA.
 
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Of course I hope this doesn't happen, but if next year Love goes some pro route, and no GG to replace Bacot.

Why would RJ not consider playing for a team that is a PG away next year?

The thread is about Trimble, I think there is a real possibility he is our PG next year.
Bacot,
NOT gone yet.
He is a College star that could make a Million dollars playing college basketball.
With the stable of guards we will put on the floor next season and the shooting potential from Washington, Nickel and Puff........You don't think Carolina could not entice the absolute best low post talent in next Summers portal? 😳
 
D, January of last year, so many in this fanbase were down on Love & said “where’s he going to go?”, no way he’s NBA ready. Fast forward to April & he’s a late 1st rounder. I think the same could happen this year except he’s light years ahead of where he was 12 months ago. However, I agree with you on Bacot, I’ll play as many minutes in the NBA as he does. I hope he pulls a Leaky & sticks around for year 5.
Damn good point ! However, and yes you are right, it can change but so far this season he has slipped from where he began this season at. I would add, I am not sure Caleb was going to be able to be drafted at 19 last season, I am not questioning your opinion or that he may have been listed in a mock at 19 but I would be surprised he would have not at least tested the NBA water, like nance did, if he was projected that high. If he really was able to be drafted at 19 I believe he would have taken that and ran with it. So I question what mock draft that was seen on because all I was hearing was maybe late second round.

Looking at the 2022 mocks, after season was done:

On NBA draft room Caleb is not listed in their 90 players ranked
On SI, they ranked 58 players for their mock, Caleb is not listed as one of their 58
On Bleacher report He is not listed in their over 60picks
NBA.com does not have him listed in their 30 picks (first round, trying to see if this site has a second round slate of picks). He is not listed in their 2nd round picks either.
NBC sports does not have him listed in their 60 picks.
NBA draft.net Caleb is not listed first or 2nd round
CBS sports, not listed in 1st or 2nd round
 
Damn good point ! However, and yes you are right, it can change but so far this season he has slipped from where he began this season at. I would add, I am not sure Caleb was going to be able to be drafted at 19 last season, I am not questioning your opinion or that he may have been listed in a mock at 19 but I would be surprised he would have not at least tested the NBA water, like nance did, if he was projected that high. If he really was able to be drafted at 19 I believe he would have taken that and ran with it. So I question what mock draft that was seen on because all I was hearing was maybe late second round.

Looking at the 2022 mocks, after season was done:

On NBA draft room Caleb is not listed in their 90 players ranked
On SI, they ranked 58 players for their mock, Caleb is not listed as one of their 58
On Bleacher report He is not listed in their over 60picks
NBA.com does not have him listed in their 30 picks (first round, trying to see if this site has a second round slate of picks). He is not listed in their 2nd round picks either.
NBC sports does not have him listed in their 60 picks.
NBA draft.net Caleb is not listed first or 2nd round
CBS sports, not listed in 1st or 2nd round

Fair enough, I just remember talk of him rising up the draft boards after our run last year. I could be wrong but I think I remember a couple first round projections after the tournament he had.
 
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Fair enough, I just remember talk of him rising up the draft boards after our run last year. I could be wrong but I think I remember a couple first round projections after the tournament he had.
I as well recall some chatter about that but I didn't buy the chatter because all the verifiable information did not agree with the chatter. I do know NBA scouts play games all the time, they will say 1 thing in public aimed at the public but working the total opposite in real life. Did a scout or 2 use Caleb to cover the guy they were really interested in, that happens a ton! LOL It is only after the draft that you can see what was smoke and what was real.
 
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Thanks for the update D. I am of the opinion that draft status be damned, Caleb is professional bound after this season. His confidence in his own abilities will trump the critics and he will have a nice career. I think it will be in the NBA.
Agree 100%
I believe Caleb will try to get drafted and if he isn’t he’ll work his way through the G-League.
He seems like the sort of player who will be at his best when he’s challenged - both by opponents and team mates. At UNC he’s needed too much and can get away with ‘lapses’….. out in the big mean world he’ll either rise or fall and he needs that.
 
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Agree 100%
I believe Caleb will try to get drafted and if he isn’t he’ll work his way through the G-League.
He seems like the sort of player who will be at his best when he’s challenged - both by opponents and team mates. At UNC he’s needed too much and can get away with ‘lapses’….. out in the big mean world he’ll either rise or fall and he needs that.
If he wanted to work his way through the G-League, he would have already turned pro. His draft projection this past summer was early to mid 2nd round. That means he would have been on a two-way contract or a G-league contract. He came back to UNC to turn himself into a first rounder, and because his NIL opportunities at UNC are significantly more lucrative than a two-way paycheck or a g-league paycheck.

There is still a lot more season left to play. Still plenty of time left for Caleb to improve his draft stock, win a championship, and chase his dreams.
 
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Caleb has improved in some areas over last season, but my honest opinion is that he will not be back for his senior season. He realize that his dream of playing in the NBA is wavering, and he will probably enter the draft, and if he's not drafted will sign as a free agent.
 
Well lets look at that.

Trimble averages .6 TOs a game, I would think a kid that "Dribbling into bad areas and picking up his dribble and/or causing poor spacing." would have a lot of TOs from it, you know, like Caleb and RJ had as freshmen or even their TO% this season (2.5 for Love and 2.2 for RJ).

Now it appears that both your allegations say the same thing, cute how you say the same thing twice yet want it to appear as 2 different questions, with no concrete evidence that proves your point. Did you watch that yourself and see that as a re-occurring problem for our FRESHMAN PG? Do you realize that what you say Trimble is doing wrong is pretty much a blanket statement you could make on the nature of all freshman PGs, those that contain that are the special ones, you know, as those able to have a less than 1 TO per game stat?

Further, do you realize that most of Trimble's minutes have not been at the PG position, the ball has not often gone thru him, it has been going thru RJ and Caleb. Has he dribbled in to trouble, well yes he had, yes EVERY PG has, Caleb and RJ do that all the time, you must really hate them being on our team? Actually, if you watch Trimble play you should be able to note that his head is consistently up, which gives him the ability to see the court really well, you should as well realize that has been a particular problem for Caleb and RJ, dropping their heads on drives so they can not see the court.

IN addition, I find it hard to reconcile your allegations of how the kid is playing vs the words of his team mates and his coaches, well written about and linked right here on this site. His teammates rave about playing with him but maybe they are not in your echo chamber? How about the opinions from people like Andrew or David Sisk, do you pay any attention at all to what they are saying about the kid?

Don't you find it interesting that Trimble begins to get extended PT and directly afterward we go on a 4 game win streak? Do you realize that the dribble in to trouble was actually a component of the 5 out scheme we were trying to play that was thrown out after the VT game because it induced way to much dribble and found defenders collapsing down on the guy trying to penetrate the lane for us.
Trimble is a PG. The only argument can be is he or will he be a competent one.
 
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