My expectation is that Roy will decide that Paige's days at the point are over, and have Berry and Britt take over all the minutes there. The Heels need outside shooting badly, and Paige is the best on the team at that. Also, Kenny Williams is a good 3 point shooter, and likely will receive good playing time. Pinson, Hicks, and James will also get good minutes. Roy will likely go with a 10 man rotation as a way of wearing down opponents. This team has the talent to do it.
Do not be surprised if Roy uses a 10 man rotation.
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I agree with everything said except that Paige will play some point I think. Both he and Coach know it will be his future so he needs the time. Plus he is a darn good point. The 10-man rotation will not be surprise to me since I think Roy would love to play all 13 of his guys if he could; next year he might, lol. We should be fast, athletic, good shooters and great on D next year so the sky is the limit.
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A 10 man rotation into January would not surprise me but would prefer it be down to 7 or 8 by end of February. If guys are not worn out by too many minutes early in season I think you need just production and not bodies off the bench in tournament play.
I agree UNC will probably use a 10 person rotation of: Johnson, Meeks, Jackson, Paige, Berry and then Hicks, Britt, James, Pinson and Williams. I personally would like to start Hicks in the middle because I feel he is going to have a break out year but Johnson does not have a back up then unless the freshman forward gets more minutes than expected so that really is not a option.
I agree, I think what we will see is Berry to start at the point with Marcus at the 2, when Joel comes out Marcus slides over to the 2 and either Nate or Kenny come in at the 2. May raise an eyebrow or 2, my saying Nate at the 2 but truth is last half of last season Nate played more as a 2 than he did as a point. I think early season we will see more of Nate backing up Marcus at the 2 but don't be surprised to see Kenny Williams earn more and more time as the season progresses, IMO at some point he will pass Nate in PT more for his defense than his offense, folks will be surprised at the kid's desire to defend, very very coachable kid.
It is going to be hard to keep Kenny Williams off the court, he really fits what we do so well. I really hope Nate has a HUGE developmental off season, he may have to have just that to keep kenny from snagging the majority of his PT.
10 man rotation at the start of the season is a given. 10 man rotation with an ACC schedule, I don't think so. By that time 2-3 players will be going through some struggles in some part of there game. 7-8 man rotation but that would be my guess.
Minimum 10 man rotation by conference. (I really believe we will see more than 10 play significant minutes) I hope JJames plays a lot, because that would mean he continued his outstanding learning curve! The only reason an 8 man rotation is so popular now is because teams never had 10 who could play at a high level. I think we have at least 10 that can compete for starter minutes. Roy will juggle the lineups in the preseason and settle on the rotation by ACC, but if we are down to 7 peeps seeing time, this would mean several injuries!
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I will be quite surprised if 10 players are getting sig. minutes after ACC play begins. Very surprised.
Usually not Roy's MO. I used to speculate about such things in the past when it looked like we could field 2 decent teams of 5, but it never, ever came to pass.
Usually not Roy's MO. I used to speculate about such things in the past when it looked like we could field 2 decent teams of 5, but it never, ever came to pass.
I guess it depends on the definition of significant then. I'm thinking approaching 15 minutes a game is significant. Roy does tend to trim down to those he can trust in crunch time, I believe that this year we have an abundance of interchangeable parts that will earn that trust. I do not think Roy wants to play 8 peeps, he just does what the talent and work ethic of the players demands. If they play up to potential then he will play 10+; if any fail to show effort on D then their minutes will be cut. I rally hope we see some small ball teams that play lightning fast and pile on with fresh bodies to wear out opponents. Then in crunch time he can put in our best lineup to finish the job.
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in a perfect game against conference/top 10 opponets you would like a clean game-10 man rotation- but in first half-Brice or Meeks get 2 early fouls-wont see the court until second half or you see bad guard play on defense/perhaps mental lapse turnovers..I do not expect a dominating team that wears teams down- tv timeouts, lack of full court press and smothering D from the point/no intimidating shot blocker...intensity from game to game-attitude-expected to win-will they play withchip on their shoulders-this is my focus!!..6,7,8 players does not matter-results
Well..you better get ready to find it back!!
Using your 15 minute parameter, I will be quite surprised to see 10+ players get those type of minutes by ACC play. IMHO if that occurs it will be more Roy having his hand forced by too many fouls on some of our top 7-8 guys than due to any global plan.
However, I will be most happy to be wrong if it turns out we have 10+ guys that actually deserve/earn that level of playing time. I personally hope you turn out to be correct here.
You best get ready. Young man made HUGE strides last year, guarded O better than any other Big we had. Why do we always dis our own?
Before ACC I will guarantee 10+ play 15+ minutes a game. By ACC I see 9 that will definitely reach that level and 2 more that should be real close. I settled for 10+ and , like someone said, injuries would mean all bets are off. To me minimum is 9 and most likely 10 will see significant minutes. Williams may develop quicker than I think and make up the 10 if he can play D like it looks he can! Why does it seem so Unlikely to so many? J James will surprise many on here it seems. He looks like he is ready to play to me. I love his attitude and he is blessed physically!
15+ (9)
J. James
B Johnson
M Paige
N Britt
I Hicks
K Meeks
J Berry
J Jackson
T Pinson
5-8 (2)
K Williams (hopefully 12-15!)
L Maye
Mop up
S White
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15+ (9)
J. James
B Johnson
M Paige
N Britt
I Hicks
K Meeks
J Berry
J Jackson
T Pinson
5-8 (2)
K Williams (hopefully 12-15!)
L Maye
Mop up
S White
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Sorry, but not if we're going to have a chance of winning it all.
In an ideal world (no injuries, staying out of foul trouble), if this team is going to reach its potential:
1. Paige and Berry both need to average better than 25 minutes each (absolutely vital!)
2. Add Jackson to the 25+ club, at least until we see how many minutes Theo's wheels will allow him to contribute.
3. The more minutes Brice can play, the better off we will be. Having him stay out of foul trouble will be a key. Getting 20+ minutes a game from Brice is a big need.
4. Meeks and Hicks should be btw 15-20 each, probably 10-12 from Big Joel, with 5 or so from Maye as needed.
Here's where it gets fluid. Britt will likely get the opportunity early for minutes (ideally at the 2). I don't think Williams will be quite ready to jump fully into the fray, but as we know he has a lot of upside. How that shakes out will likely depend on how much Nate has improved vs how quickly KW develops. As far as PG behind Berry, and then Paige swinging over, I would trust a healthy White way more than Britt there. Scoff if you will, but I hope Stilman gets some meaningful minutes this season. We'll be better off for it.
You have certainly summed up the traditional way of thinking about bball teams. I agree that the players mentioned are really good and I expect Brice, Justin,Paige and Berry to be all ACC types for sure. But , an injury to one of those four would derail our year and I think there is a place for a larger rotation to keep our team fresh (tired players are more likely to get injured). 25+ minutes isn't necessary if you develop the entire team and this strategy would protect our year if the catastrophic injury happens. We'll see how it plays out and if10+ earn playing time, I bet Roy will play them! If we play the more traditional route during ACC time, I still think the team as a whole will benefit by being ready to play.
BTW: jericho, why do you keep running down JJ? Isn't he one of our own that has worked his butt off to play at UNC? He improved swiftly as last year progressed and suffered setbacks due to injury; so assuming he is healthy, why would he not be able to contribute to our success? Did he bully you or something?
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BTW: jericho, why do you keep running down JJ? Isn't he one of our own that has worked his butt off to play at UNC? He improved swiftly as last year progressed and suffered setbacks due to injury; so assuming he is healthy, why would he not be able to contribute to our success? Did he bully you or something?
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In a perfect world every Freshman will perform like they did in high school and all the returning player would have improved. I really like our team, but in reality someone will have a nagging injury limiting there PT. Someone else will be going through Freshman struggles, and last someone will not improve at all. 7-8 men will absolutely know they will see the floor every night, while the other 2-3 will depend on fouls and injuries. Who those other 3 will be? I have some guesses, but it will only be a guess. Britt,Pinson,and James have areas they need to improve on to log 15 plus nightly. Even Hicks needs to improve to get those quality minutes every game. Do I think those four guys will have some games of 15 plus minutes? Yes I do, but not every night and not all four in one game.
Are you talking about the wrong person? What injuries?
You mean the guy who has more unforced turnovers (stone hands, gets flustered with balls in hands, can't pass), has hurt more teammates, and has ole'd how many points to opposing teams as I have seen in the past 5 years combined from the rest of the team?
"hurt more teammates"......................... YOU are out of line!
I would count sore lower extremities in a big man as "injuries". You are no Tar Heel Family member, Sir, since you can't grasp that we simply don't bash our own. You may critique with impunity, but you are bashing which is not cool. You are a troll or someone who needs to jump back off our wagon! He was brought in as a project and has improved steadily and I believe we will see the fruits of that labor this season. I don't expect him to be ACC POY, but I expect his big body to give peeps fits on D and I expect him to rebound/score enough to keep opponents honest. If he gets to the 12-15 minutes a game level it will mean h has continued his learning curve, NOT that UNC has regressed to his level.
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Okay. Someone is trolling because their opinion is different. He broke Pinson's foot and someone else he hurt also if I remembering correctly. Not intentionally, of course. But, because he has bad coordination and fundamentals.
It is no secret I think Joel James hurts out team every time he is on the court.
I mean, if you want to play white knight right now, go ahead. But, every year (hopefully not this year) when it comes down to game time, you will see the people on this board in the game threads losing their absolute minds every time he is on the court. When he plays, he is usually spotting the other team points. I can think of ONLY one game in which he had a good game and that was against Jahlil Okafor and Duke. And, I suspect it was because Okafor was soft and couldn't take contact so he was unwilling to go inside against him.
It is no secret I think Joel James hurts out team every time he is on the court.
I mean, if you want to play white knight right now, go ahead. But, every year (hopefully not this year) when it comes down to game time, you will see the people on this board in the game threads losing their absolute minds every time he is on the court. When he plays, he is usually spotting the other team points. I can think of ONLY one game in which he had a good game and that was against Jahlil Okafor and Duke. And, I suspect it was because Okafor was soft and couldn't take contact so he was unwilling to go inside against him.
By all means, I hope he proves me wrong. If there isn't a massive improvement over last year, he shouldn't play unless we are desperate. That's my opinion.
And you've just answered why Joel see's court time. Yes, even towards the end of his Jnr year he was raw, but the guy is 6-11 and 280. He has the ability to set monster picks and even has a nice step-back jumper.
And yes, just like Roy, we'd all love to see James take it hard to the rim a-la Shaq circa 1994 and maybe this season he will once or twice, but if he can provide 10-15 solid minutes, get that big butt into the middle of the opposing centre's stomach, knock another teams point guard to the floor (legitimately, with a great screen) then he'll have done his job.
As for injuries, the other guy was Okafor - was it a twisted ankle? So lets say Big Joel was 1-1 with injuring others..... though I still think it's unfair to blame Theo's injury on him, how many times do we see players land on other players feet?
So sure it was another player. I think it was Brice. And he twisted his ankle.
That said, the problem with James when he isn't able to contribute ala Shaq is that he destroys our pace of play and he very rarely seems to know where to be on defense. He fouls almost every time someone comes in and a lot of the time the defense has to scramble because James is too slow with help defense. If he gained Stamina, speed, coordination, soft hands, then he could be good. He actually has a decent mid range jumper already. He just doesn't seem to have anything inside when a player is defending him and it is 50/50 if a pass inside to him won't automatically be a turnover.
For the record, James had .5 turnovers per 10 minutes played last season. I am sick and on some meds right now, but I think that works out to 2 TO per 40 minute game average. That doesn't seem excessive to me.
wow. Everyone is has a right to any opinion they care to have dude. Read what I actually said, not just the part you want to argue with. My problem is not that you disagree with me, heck, I disagree with 90% of what I read here honestly. My problem is that you harp on every negative, exaggerate all his faults, overstate his turnovers and danger to teammates, won't even acknowledge his improvement and hard work, and refuse to give the kid any breaks. This is what opposing fans should do, while Family should fairly critique even if it is negative.
I love every member of our team all the time; unless they decide to leave the Family like a few peeps lately that shall remain nameless. This doesn't mean that I don't see it when they make mistakes; it means I also look for the good they do and hope it balances any negatives.
I hope Roy sees enough talent and effort on our team to play 10-11 peeps for 12-17 minutes because that would be best for UNC! If Roy decides not to play JJ, it will mean he didn't improve as much as I hoped, but I see plenty of promise.
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I love every member of our team all the time; unless they decide to leave the Family like a few peeps lately that shall remain nameless. This doesn't mean that I don't see it when they make mistakes; it means I also look for the good they do and hope it balances any negatives.
I hope Roy sees enough talent and effort on our team to play 10-11 peeps for 12-17 minutes because that would be best for UNC! If Roy decides not to play JJ, it will mean he didn't improve as much as I hoped, but I see plenty of promise.
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Yes, I watch all the games. To clear it up for you,I think you have a grudge against James and are exaggerating his errors.
I admit I was fairly tough on big Joel for the majority of his time on the Hill, but I did see some semblance of him finally putting things together towards the end of last year. If he progressed over the summer, I think he has the potential to add meaningful minutes this year. Yes, he has stone hands, and yes, there are times that I face palm when he looks completely clueless. But with that size - he can be valuable. The effort is there for sure. I do think he should be 4th in line in terms of minutes for bigs (behind Johnson, Meeks, and Hicks), but the fact of the matter is that trio seems to find themselves in foul trouble early and often - so Roy probably won't have much of a choice. I'd much prefer playing significant minutes with JJames at the 5, as opposed to a smaller lineup that features Berry Britt and Paige - that's just too small.
If Williams and/or Pinson show some promise - I'd be more willing to have a smaller lineup of Berry/Paige/Pinson/Jackson with whatever Meeks/Brice/Hicks isn't in foul trouble at the 5. If that happens, maybe limit James' minutes, but that might be a tall order.
If Williams and/or Pinson show some promise - I'd be more willing to have a smaller lineup of Berry/Paige/Pinson/Jackson with whatever Meeks/Brice/Hicks isn't in foul trouble at the 5. If that happens, maybe limit James' minutes, but that might be a tall order.
Joel's stats show pretty much the same number of turnovers per minute played as Meeks.
Who knows, maybe espn got the numbers wrong.
Joel played a lot of mop up time when nothing went on early in the season (I believe) and also has a smaller sample size so that mop up time where nothing really happened strongly skews his per minute stats.
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