Draft Thread....
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To the 28th pick and here's a UNC spin on some of the players still waiting to hear their names:
Skal Labissiere, Diamond Stone, Stephen Zimmerman were all recruited by Roy, chose to play elsewhere to 'showcase' in their one college year.
They've had to watch half the United Nations get picked before them.... choices.
Skal Labissiere, Diamond Stone, Stephen Zimmerman were all recruited by Roy, chose to play elsewhere to 'showcase' in their one college year.
They've had to watch half the United Nations get picked before them.... choices.
Yeah. I hate the Clippers but good for Brice.
BTW: Such a joke Bilas had Labissiere rated above Brice.
Yeah Gary, he's one of a bunch of second round bargains...... Marcus included (hoping the lil' rascal gets a pick)
Yeah Marcus!
Already traded to Jazz and gets outta Brooklyn.
I could be wrong..but I think Brooklyn was a better fit..how many pgs do Utah have now?..exum,Burks,hill,Mack,etc
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ESPN has a storyline for each of the Jazz drafts on Utah's page except for Marcus Paige! Why's that? Hmmmm.
24 players were drafted before Brice Johnson? Was there a more productive front court player in the college game than Brice last season? Brogden going so late, are you kidding me, the NBA makes no sense to me and hasn't for years. They got their concerns flowing over Thon Maker because maybe he could be as much as 24yrs old as if you are over the age of 20 you are to old? How many 20yr olds led the way for either Cleveland or GS ?
NBA is a joke with the age talk recently..it's like they want the oad's but won't put the rules back in place to skip college all together!!
The NBA loves the OAD rules as it gives them a solid year to evaluate the young prospects against top-level competition. 2001 NBA Draft had 3 of the top 4 picks coming out of high-school - Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler, and Eddy Curry. Only Chandler could even remotely be considered as a genuine top 5 pick. Can't help but speculate that the 01 draft got NBA executives thinking about implementing new rules in the 2005 collective bargaining agreement.
I agree with the overall sentiment about Johnson. The guy was worthy of a lottery pick. I think he'll have fun with his new team in LA, though. As for Skal, he's an interesting prospect because his outside shot is decent and he's a tremendous shot blocker. But the kid is definitely lacking in toughness. He won't last long in the league if he continues to play soft. Not sure why so many had him rated above Brice. Most analysts project a higher-ceiling for 19-year olds over 22-year olds. Whether that's fair or not, I don't know.
I agree with the overall sentiment about Johnson. The guy was worthy of a lottery pick. I think he'll have fun with his new team in LA, though. As for Skal, he's an interesting prospect because his outside shot is decent and he's a tremendous shot blocker. But the kid is definitely lacking in toughness. He won't last long in the league if he continues to play soft. Not sure why so many had him rated above Brice. Most analysts project a higher-ceiling for 19-year olds over 22-year olds. Whether that's fair or not, I don't know.
That is surprising that Cat Barber went undrafted. I thought he'd fall somewhere in the second round. Kind of a similar feeling when CJ Leslie wasn't drafted a couple years ago.
I can't stand Doc Rivers. But I'll root for the Clips now. I think Brice can do well there. No reason he can't be the first big off the bench within a year or two. I was pissed when they drafted Diallo with their next pick but then I heard them say they were looking to trade him. Good fit for Brice.
I never understood why Skal was slotted as high as he was. He was pretty bad throughout the season and it's not like he's super athletically gifted. I just don't get it. I also think his being drafted so low puts a chink in the Cal/UK OAD armor.
I wasn't. 20 years ago he was probably a first round pick. But the way the game seems to be played these days, I'm not sure how useful he'll be. He's not a good rebounder and he doesn't run the floor all that well. So what's he really going to do for a modern age team that has all but abandoned the low post game?
I completely agree. Personally, I think Brogdon could be a starter on an NBA team tomorrow. There is no smarter and tougher guy in last night's draft. He comes off screens very well and plays better without the ball than pretty much any guy in the draft. Also a stellar defender. His shot looks broken but he gets it off pretty fast and makes it often enough. IMO, he's the reincarnation of Shane Battier who obviously was a pretty good player. Brogdon might be my favorite non-Heel of the last 10+ years.
So happy that Marcus was drafted. He'll have his work cut out for him to even make the team. But for as hard as he played throughout his 4 years in college and the adversity he and the team overcame and because he's such a fantastic young man, this was just. He's my new favorite NBA player.
Every time I see some one talk about how the NBA loves the one & done world I want to go off. It to me is a clear an indication as I could ever imagine that NBA owners do not trust their GMs or scouts that evaluate talent. And for good reason I would add because it was those GMs and scouts that had teams drafting kids right out of high school that should not have been drafted. It could have easy been stopped, just don't draft them, you know, like what they did ever since the NBA was created, let them learn and develop in college and then bring them in when they are ready to produce for your team. That is all they had to do but they just could not resist the greedy temptation to draft a kid before he was really ready to play.
Now all the sudden a kid that is ready to play in their league is damaged goods if he is old enough to buy a beer? And a kid that really and I mean really is not ready for the NBA game physically or skill wise is drafted and anointed as the next great thing? Even watching a kid struggle as a freshman they STILL draft him after that one season of futility? Your 5yr old may one day become a NASCAR driver, does that mean you are fine with him driving your new car to the grocery store?
Poor kids sucked into the OAD myth.
How many hundreds of kids are dying to be in that top 10 thereby securing future contracts?
How many hundreds of kids dying to be in the first round?
How many hundreds of kids dying to be drafted, at all?
The NBA and draft are a farce, you are oh so correct David.
Notice pre-draft all the articles on how many draft busts there are in the last 50 years.
Approximately 4500 kids in the NCAA D-1 and only so many spots...sad really.
In related news, several items were reported missing from the green room thursday night. Was the "Cat Burglar" up to his old shenanigans?
For those who don't get the joke:"One source tells Busting Brackets that Louisville, once thought to be a frontrunner in this recruitment, backed off of Barber after his visit to the campus last weekend. Cardinals players, according to the source, suspected Barber of stealing some of their belongings during the trip. The players reported their suspicions to the coaching staff, which then summarily backed out of the recruitment."
I agree. Most of the OADs still need several years to develop. I suppose management and scouts couldn't adequately gauge how good some of the high school kids actually were when the competition level was extremely pedestrian compared to NBA standards. But I'd be in favor of them allowing high school guys go straight to the league - and for kids that come to college, it'd be great to see them stay at least two years. The OAD situation creates problems on both sides; long-term projects for the NBA, and a lack of continuity on the college level. I'm not sure anything is going to change anytime soon, though.
I am and will always be for a kid being able to enter a NBA draft when ever they want, be it right out of high school or after any season in college. No baseball rules, no 2 and thru, and no 3 and away. I believe that NBA teams as well as the kids should be able to make what ever decisions they want on drafting a kid. If that team wants to draft a high risk kid straight out of high school then draft him, if that kid feels he is good enough to enter a draft then he should be able to. And if the kid is not selected then he has to love with the choices he makes, if a NBA team drafts a kid and he is not able to play at that level then that NBA team should have to live with the choice they made.
What has happened to the concept of people taking responsibility for their own actions? WE don't need rules or laws that dictate personel decisions, we need people to take responsibility for making good decisions...The world I live in if I make poor decisions then I have to live with them, no one bails me out if I make bad decisions.
Don't do it dukie, don't you do it, dang it ya almost did it, yep, ya did, my last nuerve! LOL
NBA scouts figured out he can't make a jumper without a massive shove off to "create space." They also figured somebody in the NBA would rip that arm off and feed it to him.
Cat also had some "character" questions lingering (fair or not).
He is though the sort of player who could catch on in D-League and show some chops and get a 10-Day in the league to try to prove himself. A change in approach would help.
Cat could have gone in the 2nd round. No doubt. But, it's not a shock that he didn't. There are always far more players who could go in the second round depending on the circumstances than there are spots. With regard to the NBA, the big problem Cat has is that he's a bit of a score-first PG who doesn't have the talent to be a dynamic talent at that level and doesn't have the game suited to being a more defensive minded, back-up floor general. As an ancillary role player, the holes in Cat's game -- i.e., decisionmaking, perimeter shooting, off court intangibles -- are pretty tough to overcome. He may still go on to have an NBA career. But I am not particularly surprised that there wasn't a ton of interest.
I would add that, when compared to Marcus, I do think that Marcus's perimeter shot and intangibles give him a leg up over someone like Cat -- b/c in the NBA, Marcus's skill-set translates better to being a 2nd or 3rd string PG.
I would add that, when compared to Marcus, I do think that Marcus's perimeter shot and intangibles give him a leg up over someone like Cat -- b/c in the NBA, Marcus's skill-set translates better to being a 2nd or 3rd string PG.
This is the fact with the NBA. If you don't have "a guy" (meaning a top 10 player and multiple top 25 NBA players), you won't win a championship. So the teams that are in the lottery are going to reach for a kid who isn't ready but his ceiling is the 100th floor of a skyscraper compared to a guy more ready right away but whose ceiling is the 60th floor of a skyscraper. Brice is fine and there's nothing wrong with him, but at his absolute peak, he's probably a solid NBA starter. A guy like Marquese Chriss is a project, but at the chance he's able to put everything together, he's Amar'e Stoudamire. You can win with Amare. You have a shot with Amare as your #1 or #2. If Brice's ceiling is Al Horford, then you're probably not winning with him unless he's your #3 or #4. Not a knock on Al Horford... He's just not a #1 or #2.
Here's a list of the super super productive CBB players in recent memory:
Tyler Haws, Tyler Hansbrough, Doug McDermott, JJ Redick, Keydren Clark. As productive as that group was in college, if you rolled out that lineup in the NBA, they win maybe 3 games in an 82 game season?
Brice was productive and I caught flack saying he's nowhere near a top 10 pick. The age is important and he's in a tough spot because he has a set position in the NBA. He's a power forward. He's not going to be able to play center in the NBA and in the NBA, if you have a set position, that's a disadvantage unless you are remarkably talented offensively like Kyrie Irving. IF you have a set position, your playing time can be affected because you can only match up against other power forwards and when teams go small against you, or big, can you find a spot on the floor where you won't get exposed? He was great offensively in college but a lot of that has to do with UNC's offense. None of Roy's overly productive college bigs translated offensively in the NBA.
The NBA prefers OAD's because seniors who are going to be 10-15 year solid pros are valuable, but you're not winning anything with them. You reach like OKC did with Russell Westbrook and hopefully he explodes and becomes the best case you could imagine. This is why teams reach.
In terms of Milwaukee, they're building their team in a very specific way. They want tall, long guys. They're lineup next year is going to be Michael Carter Williams, Jabari Parker, Giannis Antetokuonopo, Khris Middleton, Greg Monroe (barring a trade). Then off their bench John Henson, Maker.... They're building their team a specific way and Maker fits that profile.
You use the productivity of college players against them? Those players you mentioned as being productive in college and not so much in the program and yet you fail to mention the very best talents are gone before they can be that productive in the college game, unless they find a spurt forward in their game development. Kind of odd to refer to guys that were clearly not sure things else they would have been gone after their freshman seasons as reason to point to older players as being a problem?
You say Brice is limited to a single position, Dray Green was to coming out of college, I don't recall Dray Green leading to many fast breaks for Izzo. We just watched the NBA play oiffs, how many guys lead the way for their teams but could not yet buy a beer? So those players that led the way for those play off teams were pretty much all OLDER players and yet age is a problem for Brice?
You say Brice can only play 1 position, that he can't play center in the NBA even thou guys like Dray Green can? How many of those euro big men selected are multi-position players?
Now you made one statement and just left it as if is gospel, you said Brice's age was important? Exactly why is it important? Very long history of the NBA and for the vast majority of that history the NBA game was played by guys that had graduated college. I guess because guys like Kareem, Wilt, Bird, Magic, Dr J, Worthy, MJ, Issiah, ext were all old enough to buy a beer before they were drafted means none of those guys could have played in todays NBA? How is it that Cleveland won the title with out a single guy under the game of 21 leading the way?
You say Brice is limited to a single position, Dray Green was to coming out of college, I don't recall Dray Green leading to many fast breaks for Izzo. We just watched the NBA play oiffs, how many guys lead the way for their teams but could not yet buy a beer? So those players that led the way for those play off teams were pretty much all OLDER players and yet age is a problem for Brice?
You say Brice can only play 1 position, that he can't play center in the NBA even thou guys like Dray Green can? How many of those euro big men selected are multi-position players?
Now you made one statement and just left it as if is gospel, you said Brice's age was important? Exactly why is it important? Very long history of the NBA and for the vast majority of that history the NBA game was played by guys that had graduated college. I guess because guys like Kareem, Wilt, Bird, Magic, Dr J, Worthy, MJ, Issiah, ext were all old enough to buy a beer before they were drafted means none of those guys could have played in todays NBA? How is it that Cleveland won the title with out a single guy under the game of 21 leading the way?
52 players in the NBA averaged 15+ ppg - only CJ McCollum and JJ Redick played 4 years of college basketball.
17 of the 24 all-stars from 2016 played 2 years or less.
Can 22 year-olds still develop into great players? Sure. But, they have a lot less time to do it than a 19-year old.
17 of the 24 all-stars from 2016 played 2 years or less.
Can 22 year-olds still develop into great players? Sure. But, they have a lot less time to do it than a 19-year old.
