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Dave, looking at this season's schedule brings up a disturbing thought (at least for you and me).
We start the real games with the Veterans Classic vs Temple. While that is a very cool opener, the game is in Annapolis, MD. Now, for those not familiar with the area, Annapolis isn't particularly close to anything, but it is not all that far from Upper Marlboro, which of course is the home of Nate Britt (I think you know where I'm going with this). My first thought was wondering if Roy will treat that as Nate's "home game". The U.MD game is in Chapel Hill, so unless Roy is planning on scheduling one of the DC area teams in his senior season (Marcus's is this year vs N.Iowa) I suppose it could indeed very well be... which of course would mean that Nate would start.
Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely love that Carolina tradition (and I'm chuckling as I type this), but after all our discussion of finally getting the ideal starting lineup, how ironic if that gets derailed for the season opener of all games :rolleyes:.
 
I live near Annapolis and you are incorrect in saying that Annapolis is not close to anything. Annapolis is only about 45 miles northeast of Washington, DC and 25 miles northeast from Upper Marlboro. There are over 2 million people within a 50-mile radius of DC. This is a very densely populated area.
 
LOL at things the 'Berry Is the Greatest PG' Camp on THI finds to cry about. Maybe you and Dave can get a room and cry on each other's shoulder . .

Oh noes, not the season opener . . our season is doomed.

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LOL at things the 'Berry Is the Greatest PG' Camp on THI finds to cry about. Maybe you and Dave can get a room and cry on each other's shoulder . .

Oh noes, not the season opener . . our season is doomed.

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I think he was just saying it's ironic that after all the conversation about who would start to begin the season, it might be determined by a UNC tradition instead of what Roy actually thinks. I'm pretty sure Gary doesn't think Nate is going to be "the starter" just because he might start game one.
 
I think he was just saying it's ironic that after all the conversation about who would start to begin the season, it might be determined by a UNC tradition instead of what Roy actually thinks. I'm pretty sure Gary doesn't think Nate is going to be "the starter" just because he might start game one.


" brings up a disturbing thought . . " But, you're right, maybe Gary didn't mean it that way, so he titled the thread DSouther, probably in hopes he may gain some consoling and comforting from a guy that is going to type out 15 paragraphs to reassure his ally that everything is going to be okay.

My bad . .


 
Yeah, it may well be "disturbing" to some that Nate might start a game...but then he was a pg on a national champion in high school...so he may have some tiny bit of skill to handle a few minutes to start. :cool:
 
" brings up a disturbing thought . . " But, you're right, maybe Gary didn't mean it that way, so he titled the thread DSouther, probably in hopes he may gain some consoling and comforting from a guy that is going to type out 15 paragraphs to reassure his ally that everything is going to be okay.

My bad . .
no offense to either guy , but that's funny.
 
LOL at things the 'Berry Is the Greatest PG' Camp on THI finds to cry about. Maybe you and Dave can get a room and cry on each other's shoulder . .

Oh noes, not the season opener . . our season is doomed.

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I think he was just saying it's ironic that after all the conversation about who would start to begin the season, it might be determined by a UNC tradition instead of what Roy actually thinks. I'm pretty sure Gary doesn't think Nate is going to be "the starter" just because he might start game one.
Bingo... and I should've known that some ironic humor would be lost on our friend Billy, who of course seldom misses an opportunity to vault to the extremes of hyperbole. I did however think most of the board would "get it", what with the voluminous lineup discussions and all. Oh well... :rolleyes:
 
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I live near Annapolis and you are incorrect in saying that Annapolis is not close to anything. Annapolis is only about 45 miles northeast of Washington, DC and 25 miles northeast from Upper Marlboro. There are over 2 million people within a 50-mile radius of DC. This is a very densely populated area.
Hey, no offense. Steat... but having grown up in the DC area and returning there frequently, I'm more than familiar with that densely populated thing for sure, along with the accompanying traffic... and as I'm sure you know, that's the longest 45 miles you'll ever want to drive (I was referencing a local commuter joke).
But yeah, as I said in the OP, a game in Annapolis is not very far from Upper Marlboro and would indeed be a logical place for Nate's home game.
 
Dave, looking at this season's schedule brings up a disturbing thought (at least for you and me).
We start the real games with the Veterans Classic vs Temple. While that is a very cool opener, the game is in Annapolis, MD. Now, for those not familiar with the area, Annapolis isn't particularly close to anything, but it is not all that far from Upper Marlboro, which of course is the home of Nate Britt (I think you know where I'm going with this). My first thought was wondering if Roy will treat that as Nate's "home game". The U.MD game is in Chapel Hill, so unless Roy is planning on scheduling one of the DC area teams in his senior season (Marcus's is this year vs N.Iowa) I suppose it could indeed very well be... which of course would mean that Nate would start.
Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely love that Carolina tradition (and I'm chuckling as I type this), but after all our discussion of finally getting the ideal starting lineup, how ironic if that gets derailed for the season opener of all games :rolleyes:.


First, not so sure I would agree that Roy is scheduling this game as a back home game for Nate, normally Roy looks to do that in a players last season with us, defined as either senior season or anticipated last season as a Heel. My guess is that Roy may not have had as much to do with the scheduling at this venue, that maybe the Vet's classic set the venues. Don't know that for fact but that is more along the lines of how I would see this. But lets say this was set as Nate return to home game, lets further say for this game Nate has the honor of starting, I say fine & dandy, great gesture to one of our players, love the tradition of that.

I am not going to worry so much who starts, everyone knows I am rock solid in my feeling that Joel will start at the point, even billy knows this even if he doesn't want to admit it. But I will be the very first to say, if Nate out plays Joel in practice as well as games then by al means start Nate. I don't think that will happen because I do not see Nate being able to over take Joel at this point but who the heck knows for sure, Nate could have a total break out season, kid is very talented, Joel could struggle, I mean stuff not expected does happen. But anyone right now willing to bet that Nate starts at the point over Joel Berry would have to be crazy, based on what we have seen from both players.

I know billy, you want to get me riled up cause I am guessing ya kinda bored with the lack of basketball discussion that happens every summer and ya want to have some fun getting in to it with me, I get that & have at times been known to do the same thing, like argue a point I really didn't believe just for the fun of it. But billy, I really do not believe that you, in your heart of hearts either believe Nate starts over Joel or even wants that to happen. Because if you did, your argument would not be just with myself or gary, it would also be with Roy. Ya see, Roy GREATLY reduced Nate's PT at the end of the season and greatly increased Joel's PT. As Clear an indication of what Roy thinks as you can find, so if I am wrong, if gary is wrong, then clearly you think Roy is as well...

Far be it from me to say Roy is right 100% of the time, I disagree with things Roy does and say that clearly right here. For example, I do think it was a mistake not to have Joel as our starting PG early on last season, said it so many times folks got tired of me saying it. Gary put in a lot of work that showed with crystal clarity that the PPM (points per minute) dramatically increased with Joel on the floor, I would have loved to see him add, maybe he can this coming season, a similar metric that shows defensive efficiency with each PG or combination of PGs on the floor as he did for PPM. Like to see this because to my eye we were MUCH better defensively with Joel defending opposing PGs, actually I think he is maybe a better defender than he is on the offensive end. Maybe gary can consider tracking that for us next season?
 
LOL at things the 'Berry Is the Greatest PG' Camp on THI finds to cry about. Maybe you and Dave can get a room and cry on each other's shoulder . .

Oh noes, not the season opener . . our season is doomed.

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OK, so that is cute & all billy but you tell me, considering how YOU do not seem to agree that Joel is our best option at the point then are you suggesting that Nate is?

I am interested because I want to see how many folks will be joining you in YOUR room to cry on shoulders cause my guess is my room will be FULL of folks, not just Gary & I ...& I don't see us having reason to cry!!! :rolleyes:
 
I have yet to predict who our starting PG will be this upcoming season. I know everyone is waiting since I was correct last year . . LOL.

It doesn't matter to me, if its Paige, Britt or Berry . . I won't complain, and I never have, so whichever way Roy decides to go, I'm a Tar Heel fan, and as I've said many times before, I trust Roy to make the right decisions.

May the best man win the spot through practice time and/or whichever backcourt tandem that Roy feels is the most productive.

IMO, and I've said this before and will once more, Paige is the very best PG on this team. He is also very likely our best SG . . and he is definitely our very best player. I can assure you that if we had a Wayne Ellington or one of those shooters at the 2 spot that had Roy successfully recruited, that there is no doubt in my mind that Paige would be our starting PG. But, we don't . . so, Roy will be forced to juggle folks around. Paige was recruited to play the point here at UNC, it is blessing that he has become the scoring PG that he is.

I will also say, that a lot of folks had little faith in Nate a year ago, yet for the bulk of the season, he was better than Berry. Joel came on late. Which of those 2 make improvements in their games this summer may determine the pecking order in PT this year. I do know that Nate is the fastest on the team bringing the ball up court, and Roy loves to play at a frantic pace . .

I know this, I'll be happy with any 5 that Roy puts on the floor, unlike some who wish to claim Roy's mental status . .
 
Let me speak to Gary's stats, I asked him to expand to a few categories and he never did, which just may have allowed us to view a bigger picture than just the PPM generated by the backcourt. I assume that he has the ability to DVR a game and rematch it, but, maybe the only stat that he was interested in was the ones he published.

Of which, it was the poster Raising Heel that pointed out his #s were wrong in at least one of those games he kept stats on.
It just seemed to me that Gary had an agenda every week, and to skew a number or 2 to support an argument could have been done.

He obviously loves to keep stats . . but, there is so much more than just what he did keep. I would have thought that his love of stats, he could have offered the board so much more.
 
I have yet to predict who our starting PG will be this upcoming season. I know everyone is waiting since I was correct last year . . LOL.

It doesn't matter to me, if its Paige, Britt or Berry . . I won't complain, and I never have, so whichever way Roy decides to go, I'm a Tar Heel fan, and as I've said many times before, I trust Roy to make the right decisions.

May the best man win the spot through practice time and/or whichever backcourt tandem that Roy feels is the most productive.

IMO, and I've said this before and will once more, Paige is the very best PG on this team. He is also very likely our best SG . . and he is definitely our very best player. I can assure you that if we had a Wayne Ellington or one of those shooters at the 2 spot that had Roy successfully recruited, that there is no doubt in my mind that Paige would be our starting PG. But, we don't . . so, Roy will be forced to juggle folks around. Paige was recruited to play the point here at UNC, it is blessing that he has become the scoring PG that he is.

I will also say, that a lot of folks had little faith in Nate a year ago, yet for the bulk of the season, he was better than Berry. Joel came on late. Which of those 2 make improvements in their games this summer may determine the pecking order in PT this year. I do know that Nate is the fastest on the team bringing the ball up court, and Roy loves to play at a frantic pace . .

I know this, I'll be happy with any 5 that Roy puts on the floor, unlike some who wish to claim Roy's mental status . .
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IF Roy had Ellington? LOL, careful you don't back peddle in to a wall boss, geez, if Roy had Ty Lawson Marcus would be at the 2, Roy has neither so the point is moot. How bout we talk about who we do have rather than speculate about who we don't have?

Told ya the very same thing last summer billy, will tell you again, Marcus is one of the top 2 or 3 2 guards in the country, Marcus is a combo guard, can play either position but in college his best position is at the 2. Your best shooting scorer is better off dedicating his time on offense to looking for his own scoring rather than directing the rest of the team first. DUH ! IN the NBA Marcus will be a PG, the Tar Heels play in the NCAA and you do not find to many 6'9" 2 guards that can actually handle the position in the NCAA game.

Did ya happen to notice, Marcus spent most of his time off the ball when he & JP were in together or have ya forgot all those JP passes that ended in TOs? Tell me this billy, if Marcus is the best PG we have, why was our points per minute way less with him at the point with JP than it was when Joel came in to play the point? EXPLAIN that to me billy, don't avoid that question please.

There were 4 or 5 games last season I missed, those must have been the bulk of games you are talking about where nate was better than Joel, wish I have seen those games but I didn't. Just to be clear, the issue I have with Nate is simple, yes he can put some points up the problem is on the defensive end he gives back more than he produces on the offensive end. Even as a freshman Joel was way more effective as a defender. Roy hesitated to give him bigger PT earlier on because Roy just did not want 2 freshmen starting when he had experience he could call on until Jackson could get acclaimated. But you saw once Jackson started to settle in Roy vastly increased Joel's PT and that came at nate's expense by the way.


I know this, I'll be happy with any 5 that Roy puts on the floor, unlike some who wish to claim Roy's mental status . .[/QUOTE]

The above is an interesting quote, I find It interesting because I do not allow any one else to do my thinking for me, I prefer to use my own eyes and my own brain for those purposes. I will most often agree with what Roy does but that in no way means I agree with him 100% of the time. Is there a single person here that agrees with everything Roy does 100% of the time, be honest? for example who did you want to start at the point for us Kendal or Larry Drew, did you enjoy Henson playing the wing, JP the point guard, did ya love that? Well if you agreed with Roy 100% of the time then clearly you enjoyed those items from our past. I have said many times, I don't have to agree with him 100% of the time to feel he is still the only coach I want on our side line. Roy is not perfect and he would be the first to tell you that.

No, I don't need others to do my thinking for me and last I heard this was a venue to express our individual opinions, that is exactly what I do here. I don't go along with things just because they are popular, not if I do not personally agree, that was not what my generation did. IT to me is frustrating to express an opinion based on what I see only to be told that I should not hold that opinion simply because someone else disagrees with me. .

And billy, wonder how long it would take for yu to back track on that statement if those any 5 Roy put on the court lost their first 5 games, I would put your over under on back tracking at about 2 games !
 
Let me speak to Gary's stats, I asked him to expand to a few categories and he never did, which just may have allowed us to view a bigger picture than just the PPM generated by the backcourt. I assume that he has the ability to DVR a game and rematch it, but, maybe the only stat that he was interested in was the ones he published.

Of which, it was the poster Raising Heel that pointed out his #s were wrong in at least one of those games he kept stats on.
It just seemed to me that Gary had an agenda every week, and to skew a number or 2 to support an argument could have been done.

He obviously loves to keep stats . . but, there is so much more than just what he did keep. I would have thought that his love of stats, he could have offered the board so much more.

And yet it struck me that gary put in a ton of work to produce what he did so asking him to put in even more work really isn't fair, even what I mentioned I would like to see him chart. And really, to refute what gary worked so hard on you offer that in ONE of those games...how about the rest of those games he was not called out for billy, do we just forget about those man?

I think you mis-took gary's purpose in charting what he did. Yes, his opinion before charting those stats was that Joel on the floor we were more productive BUT he elected to chart it to prove it to himself and decided to share his results with us. I would think Tar Heel fans would appreciate such a thing more so than suspect it?
 
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I don't back-track, Dave. I let Roy make those decisions on who plays, who sits and who starts and finishes games. He's the HOF coach and no one on this board is better qualified to make those judgments . . I may try to predict who our starting 5 will be, but, thats about it.
It was your half-brother who has said if Roy doesn't start Berry at point then he'll have to question Roy's mental thoughts.
 
Of course this does not offer which player made others around him better, which Berry may or may not have done, but, these stats are significant enough in my view to warrant the more PT that Roy provided to Nate . .

Who knows which of Nate or Joel will improve enough to start, or at the least gain more PT next year. Either one/both could grow leaps and bounds, and it would benefit our team.

FG%
Britt 39.9 . . . I find this and his 3PFG% an amazing & interesting stat simply because of Nate's transition of his shooting hand, going from full time lefty to righty in a single summer.
Berry 37.7


3P FG%
Britt 38.1
Berry 29.7

FT %
Britt 86.4
Berry 77.3

Rebounds
Britt 1.4
Berry 0.7

TO's
Britt 1.2
Berry 0.6

Steals

Britt 0.6
Berry 0.5

Points
Britt 6.0
Berry 3.5
 
When did Billy become an awful poster? Berry was lightyears better than Britt who occasionally shone. And, that was dealing with an injury that Britt didn't have to deal with.
 
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When did Billy become an awful poster? Berry was lightyears better than Britt who occasionally shone. And, that was dealing with an injury that Britt didn't have to deal with.

billy is not a awful poster, he for some reason has decided to argue with me a little bit to break the boredom of the off season. I like billy and consider him a bud and billy knows that. Gurantee ya both of us have smiles on our faces posting what we have in this thread. Billy is just a little concerned that I have proven him wrong multiple times on this thread and he can not figure a way to get out of this hole he dug himself in to. He will be fine ! ;)
 
billy is not a awful poster, he for some reason has decided to argue with me a little bit to break the boredom of the off season. I like billy and consider him a bud and billy knows that. Gurantee ya both of us have smiles on our faces posting what we have in this thread. Billy is just a little concerned that I have proven him wrong multiple times on this thread and he can not figure a way to get out of this hole he dug himself in to. He will be fine ! ;)


LOL

I'll agree that we are buds . . but that will be the extent of my agreement.
 
poor Nate can't catch a break from this board.

UNC fans can't catch a break from Nate, so I guess we can call it even

Of course this does not offer which player made others around him better, which Berry may or may not have done, but, these stats are significant enough in my view to warrant the more PT that Roy provided to Nate . .

Who knows which of Nate or Joel will improve enough to start, or at the least gain more PT next year. Either one/both could grow leaps and bounds, and it would benefit our team.

FG%
Britt 39.9 . . . I find this and his 3PFG% an amazing & interesting stat simply because of Nate's transition of his shooting hand, going from full time lefty to righty in a single summer.
Berry 37.7


3P FG%
Britt 38.1
Berry 29.7

FT %
Britt 86.4
Berry 77.3

Rebounds
Britt 1.4
Berry 0.7

TO's
Britt 1.2
Berry 0.6

Steals

Britt 0.6
Berry 0.5

Points
Britt 6.0
Berry 3.5

One stat you neglected to include there Billy:

Sweet 16 games blown:
Britt: 1
Berry: 0
 
UNC fans can't catch a break from Nate, so I guess we can call it even



One stat you neglected to include there Billy:

Sweet 16 games blown:
Britt: 1
Berry: 0

We don't get to the S16 game without Nate's first half against Arkansas.
 
We don't get to the S16 game without Nate's first half against Arkansas.

You've made that claim before. And again I'll bring up the stats: 10pts 4rebs 1asst 1TO 3PF in 23 minutes.

1:1 Asst/TO ratio from your PG? The 10 points are ok I guess - but given the time on the court isn't great by any means. The 4 rebounds are nice but not what we need from our PG.

I guess I'm just confused how you could still have confidence in him in a key situation after watching that 5 minute meltdown against Wisconsin that directly resulted in the end of our season last year.
 
You've made that claim before. And again I'll bring up the stats: 10pts 4rebs 1asst 1TO 3PF in 23 minutes.

1:1 Asst/TO ratio from your PG? The 10 points are ok I guess - but given the time on the court isn't great by any means. The 4 rebounds are nice but not what we need from our PG.

I guess I'm just confused how you could still have confidence in him in a key situation after watching that 5 minute meltdown against Wisconsin that directly resulted in the end of our season last year.


Last I looked, college basketball was a team game. However, if, you think Britt lost the Wisky game for UNC, then go ahead and credit him for the Arkansas win please.

. . and btw, in the round of 32, Arkansas game, Mr. Berry had 3 TOs in his eleven (11) minutes on the floor. 3 turnovers in eleven minutes . . ? What does that average out to in 40 minutes . . ? Around 11 TOs if my math is correct . .
 
To say Britt is light years better than Nate...Really..............Maybe in the future but not now.
 
Last I looked, college basketball was a team game. However, if, you think Britt lost the Wisky game for UNC, then go ahead and credit him for the Arkansas win please.

. . and btw, in the round of 32, Arkansas game, Mr. Berry had 3 TOs in his eleven (11) minutes on the floor. 3 turnovers in eleven minutes . . ? What does that average out to in 40 minutes . . ? Around 11 TOs if my math is correct . .
I (nor do I think anyone else) ever claimed Berry had a great game in that Arkansas game. The only reason that box score was brought into the discussion was because you're leaning on that one performance as justification that Nate has a leg to stand on in this PG debate. I don't care to scour every box score from last year to find Berry's most shining moment - but if I did, there's a decent chance Nate had a subpar game that night as well. But actually now that I'm on a roll, I'll check the following game's box score. Against Wiscy, Joel had 9 points in 19 minutes (slightly better ppm than the 10 in 23 mins from Britt in the previous game), 3 assists without a turnover (bounds ahead of the 1:1 ratio showing from Nate previously) better FG% and 3PT% (both 66%) than Nate had previously. And this was just the closest box score. I didn't hand pick this as Berry's crowning achievement.

By your rationale, I'd assume you'd say the only reason why we reached the Elite Eight was because of the great performance by Berry against Wisconsin. Only no wait that's right.... we didn't reach the elite eight, and its because Nate came in and crapped his pants; throwing water on the fire Berry had built.
 
I agree that Britt could have had a better stretch at the end of the Wisky game. He was in the game because Roy had the confidence in him to finish the game. Some things don't work out as planned. I know that Nate killed it in the 1st half of the Arkansas game,

Speaking of players that didn't do so well, Kennedy wasn't up to par for either the Arkansas or Wisky game. Shall we blame him for his weak performances in both . . or give him a pass for being hurt . . ? As I said earlier in this thread, to blame one player for the loss is just pathetic, its a 200 minute game played between 2 teams.

Any other player you'd like to see shoulder some of the blame for our exit in the 3rd round . . ? Tokoto wasn't all that productive, nor was Hicks IIRC . . ? Or do you just wanna just throw Britt under the bus for that loss to Wisky . . ?

I can't remember, did Wisky play for the title . . ? If so, that means that weren't all that bad of a team, as they did happen to beat Arizona( 34-3) and an undefeated Kentucky squad.

Dayum, poor old Nate Britt lost to an eventual championship game contender . . you wanna back that bus up on him as well. GTFOH
 
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Who knows which of Nate or Joel will improve enough to start, or at the least gain more PT next year. Either one/both could grow leaps and bounds, and it would benefit our team.

FG%
Britt 39.9 . . . I find this and his 3PFG% an amazing & interesting stat simply because of Nate's transition of his shooting hand, going from full time lefty to righty in a single summer.
Berry 37.7


3P FG%
Britt 38.1
Berry 29.7
Of course this does not offer which player made others around him better, which Berry may or may not have done, but, these stats are significant enough in my view to warrant the more PT that Roy provided to Nate . .

Where in the wide wide world of sports did you get those numbers???
Try reality:
For example, some actual numbers from the official full season individual stats:
FG Nate - 38.4% JB - 40.4%
3Pt Nate - 36.6% JB - 35.4%

Now these season #s are quite comparable, and congrats to Nate for his much-improved perimeter shooting, BUT... Joel's numbers got there despite a slow early-season shooting start, and if you remember, after he came back from injury JB drained 3s at a 47% pace (IIRC) down the stretch and thru the NCAAs when everything was on the line.

But Billy, HERE is the essential individual PG stat that separates them out:
Assist-to-Turnover Ratio
In the Carolina system 2.0-to-1 or better is considered the threshold for winning basketball.
Stilman's ratio not surprisingly was perfect (zero TOs in limited minutes), but of the PGs who actually played significant minutes:
Marcus 2.3-to-1 (as you would expect from an experienced JR)
Joel 2.2-to-1 (again, despite the bad numbers coming early)
Nate 1.5-to-1 (ouch... and it showed)

And as for the question of who made the team better there is little doubt about that one. The team's performance, especially down the stretch, with JB at PG was in a different zip code.[/QUOTE]
 
Let me speak to Gary's stats, I asked him to expand to a few categories and he never did, which just may have allowed us to view a bigger picture than just the PPM generated by the backcourt. I assume that he has the ability to DVR a game and rematch it, but, maybe the only stat that he was interested in was the ones he published.

Of which, it was the poster Raising Heel that pointed out his #s were wrong in at least one of those games he kept stats on.
It just seemed to me that Gary had an agenda every week, and to skew a number or 2 to support an argument could have been done.

He obviously loves to keep stats . . but, there is so much more than just what he did keep. I would have thought that his love of stats, he could have offered the board so much more.
Since you feel the need to comment on them, lets get something straight about my stats.
I kept them in real time (just like my student assistants did when I coached) and reconciled them with the official team numbers from the Athletic Dept. to get the minutes and score correct. While mistakes will happen, if there were any mistakes made I can assure you they were few and insignificant... but if you're suggesting I skewed numbers to push any "agenda" well, you can stick that one where the sun don't shine. C'mon, man o_O.
As for the DVR-ing, while I appreciate your requests, unless Rivals is willing to start paying me I'm not gonna rewatch a game enough times to break down every detail (unless I finally lose my mind and get back in coaching :eek:)
 
Since you feel the need to comment on them, lets get something straight about my stats.
I kept them in real time (just like my student assistants did when I coached) and reconciled them with the official team numbers from the Athletic Dept. to get the minutes and score correct. While mistakes will happen, if there were any mistakes made I can assure you they were few and insignificant... but if you're suggesting I skewed numbers to push any "agenda" well, you can stick that one where the sun don't shine. C'mon, man o_O.
As for the DVR-ing, while I appreciate your requests, unless Rivals is willing to start paying me I'm not gonna rewatch a game enough times to break down every detail (unless I finally lose my mind and get back in coaching :eek:)

LOL . . you're the stats dude. I only inquired if you could keep some stats that may have helped interpret those of which you posted. See, its not just the backcourt stats I was interested in, but, who may have been on the court when those backcourt combos you kept the stats for. For instance, did Roy have James and Hicks in with Britt, and was it possible that Tokoto was playing the 3 spot when Britt was at point . . ? Britt's numbers may have dropped point-wise because James, Hicks and Tokoto were on the court with him . . . you get what it is I am saying here . . ?

Did Berry have Meeks, Johnson and Jackson along with Paige in the game with him . . ?

Last of all, I don't think Rivals would pay you a dime, and those stats came from this board :

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/nav/stats/
 
Never ever have enough point guards and I like them both. It really is not that important who starts or who gets the most minutes the key is which player is performing the best out of the two during any certain game. Period
 
LOL . . you're the stats dude. I only inquired if you could keep some stats that may have helped interpret those of which you posted. See, its not just the backcourt stats I was interested in, but, who may have been on the court when those backcourt combos you kept the stats for. For instance, did Roy have James and Hicks in with Britt, and was it possible that Tokoto was playing the 3 spot when Britt was at point . . ? Britt's numbers may have dropped point-wise because James, Hicks and Tokoto were on the court with him . . . you get what it is I am saying here . . ?

Did Berry have Meeks, Johnson and Jackson along with Paige in the game with him . . ?

Last of all, I don't think Rivals would pay you a dime, and those stats came from this board :

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/nav/stats/
The ones I posted came from the official UNC site and were duplicated by ESPN.
And yeah. those things you mention are all interesting statistical inquiries no doubt...but you said it: Rivals ain't likely to pay me so there ya go... just answered your own question!

In all seriousness, Billy, I can tell you this: The way Roy was running his sub patterns for a good portion of the season actually regularly put Berry in with the less desirable personnel combinations. And most significantly, JB too often spent precious little time on the floor with Marcus as his running mate, even though as the stats showed from the get-go, it was easily the most productive Guard combo. Those minutes together increased once Roy moved JB ahead of Nate in the rotation, and the improved team results were obvious. On a related note, as I've posted before, Nate did a credible job in stretches running at the 2 in relief of Marcus with JB running the show. Unfortunately, and ironically, it's the PG role that Nate struggles with.
 
I think there are a lot of us who will be disappointed if Joel and Marcus aren't our starting backcourt. Barring Nate making a huge step forward, I think it's a no brainer. Nate will be a valuable contributor off the bench IMO.
 
Billy & David, you boys are twisted... funny, but twisted...and contribute a great deal.

Me, I'm going with Marcus and Joel B. in the backcourt to start and then bring in Williams and Britt as needed, due to our tempo we should expect some stronger play from these kids. A natural 1 & 2 in both sets. No real downside in either set.
 
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