Well, this is a good looking sight! UNC WILL be strong!
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Early Number ONE...
- Thread starter ChapelHeeled
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I saw Kentucky was the early number 1. Not sure if this is the same one or not. That said, I think Kentucky is not going to be a top 25 team next year. Way overrated.
Anyone ranking UK pre-season #1 this time has been smoking some of that bluegrass.
The way ncaab took a hit with early departures everywhere..UK will be a major factor!!..landscape of bball won't be as strong this year!!..if we don't make a legitimate run this year,then IDK when there will be another shot at a title.with the way our roster will be set up,we're resting our chances on signing 6-8 freshmen in 16'..that's scary to think of!!
My rating system tries to take rankings of returning players and new recruits/transfer into consideration, and UNC is clearly #1.
Metric ESPN CBS team
640 02 01 North Carolina
620 NR NR Florida
617 15 16 Arizona
617 07 06 Duke
565 04 02 Maryland
553 01 04 Kentucky
542 06 03 Kansas
495 21 NR Louisville
483 NR 14 California
470 24 23 Texas A&M
469 34 NR U C L A
447 23 NR Texas
433 14 13 Indiana
429 19 24 L S U
421 12 08 Michigan State
403 NR NR Ohio State
In terms on number of top 16 teams, SEC leads with 5, Big10 has 4, ACC 3, and P12 and B12 two. Some senior laden mid major will probably creep in too as Gonzaga typicaly does.
Teams like Wisc last year may not have highly rated players at time they are recruited, but gel.
Though ESPN and CBS do not even have them rated, I see Florida is the team after UNC that has the most collective talent, though not a lot of star power as much as lots of top 100 guys.
Even though Florida lost Carter, Frazier and Walker plus its coach, Billy certainly did not leave the cupboard bare for his successor, with Finey-Smith and Murphy now seniors but overall quite young, so may be a year way.
93 Florida Hill-4 Soph (last year's class)
84 Florida Robinson-6 Freshman
78 Florida Finney-Smith-1 Junior
69 Florida Francis Freshman
65 Florida Murphy-7 Junior
58 Florida Chiozza-10 Freshman
50 Florida Dickerson recruit
47 Florida Allen recruit
34 Florida Hayes recruit
21 Florida Stone recruit
11 Florida Egbunu Freshman
10 Florida Kurtz-9, NCAA for his 10 MPG despite being former walk on
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620
a metric of 93 means the guys was ranked 8th overall in his class. 78 menas 23rd etc.(sum to 101 aince #1 gets a metric of 100)
If anything, I under rated Britt and James, as my method gives non top 100 guys who played 10 MPG an artibrary 10 points each, as I did with Florida's Kurtz.whereas guys with similar metrics last year on UNC can get 70 or 80 points, or in Florida's case 50 or 60 instead of 10.
85 North Carolina Paige-1 Junior
90 North Carolina Johnson-2 Junior
93 North Carolina Meeks-3 Soph
92 North Carolina Jackson-4 Freshman
85 North Carolina Hicks-6 Soph
71 North Carolina Berry-8 Freshman
86 North Carolina Pinson-9 Freshman
20 North Carolina Britt-7, James-10 NCAA
12 North Carolina Williams recruit
06 North Carolina Maye recruit
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640
Metric ESPN CBS team
640 02 01 North Carolina
620 NR NR Florida
617 15 16 Arizona
617 07 06 Duke
565 04 02 Maryland
553 01 04 Kentucky
542 06 03 Kansas
495 21 NR Louisville
483 NR 14 California
470 24 23 Texas A&M
469 34 NR U C L A
447 23 NR Texas
433 14 13 Indiana
429 19 24 L S U
421 12 08 Michigan State
403 NR NR Ohio State
In terms on number of top 16 teams, SEC leads with 5, Big10 has 4, ACC 3, and P12 and B12 two. Some senior laden mid major will probably creep in too as Gonzaga typicaly does.
Teams like Wisc last year may not have highly rated players at time they are recruited, but gel.
Though ESPN and CBS do not even have them rated, I see Florida is the team after UNC that has the most collective talent, though not a lot of star power as much as lots of top 100 guys.
Even though Florida lost Carter, Frazier and Walker plus its coach, Billy certainly did not leave the cupboard bare for his successor, with Finey-Smith and Murphy now seniors but overall quite young, so may be a year way.
93 Florida Hill-4 Soph (last year's class)
84 Florida Robinson-6 Freshman
78 Florida Finney-Smith-1 Junior
69 Florida Francis Freshman
65 Florida Murphy-7 Junior
58 Florida Chiozza-10 Freshman
50 Florida Dickerson recruit
47 Florida Allen recruit
34 Florida Hayes recruit
21 Florida Stone recruit
11 Florida Egbunu Freshman
10 Florida Kurtz-9, NCAA for his 10 MPG despite being former walk on
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620
a metric of 93 means the guys was ranked 8th overall in his class. 78 menas 23rd etc.(sum to 101 aince #1 gets a metric of 100)
If anything, I under rated Britt and James, as my method gives non top 100 guys who played 10 MPG an artibrary 10 points each, as I did with Florida's Kurtz.whereas guys with similar metrics last year on UNC can get 70 or 80 points, or in Florida's case 50 or 60 instead of 10.
85 North Carolina Paige-1 Junior
90 North Carolina Johnson-2 Junior
93 North Carolina Meeks-3 Soph
92 North Carolina Jackson-4 Freshman
85 North Carolina Hicks-6 Soph
71 North Carolina Berry-8 Freshman
86 North Carolina Pinson-9 Freshman
20 North Carolina Britt-7, James-10 NCAA
12 North Carolina Williams recruit
06 North Carolina Maye recruit
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640
I can't recall whether I used RSCI composite or 247sports.com, but for example Marcus was rated #16 which I translated to 85, using #1 = 100, #2=99 etc. such that the highest ranked players accumulate the most points.
Rating-points - player
16-85 North Carolina Paige-1 Junior
11-90 North Carolina Johnson-2 Junior
08-93 North Carolina Meeks-3 Soph
09-92 North Carolina Jackson-4 Freshman
16-85 North Carolina Hicks-6 Soph
30-71 North Carolina Berry-8 Freshman
15-86 North Carolina Pinson-9 Freshman
89-12 North Carolina Williams recruit
95-06 North Carolina Maye recruit
I did not find a rating for Britt or James from their HS senior ratings.
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640
So UNC has two guys who rated top 10 in their class, and 4 guys rated between 11 and 20 for the most skilled group this coming year.
Some guys far exceed their HR ranking sand some guys underperform. Some guys may be highly skilled not play a lot their freshman year.
Just a way to try and validate the ESPN and CBS too early Top 25.
This method tends to favor the blue blood college programs and under estimate thee mid-majors and colleges who target guys outside the top 25 where they typically cannot compete with the UK's, UNC's Arizona. Duke etc.
Rating-points - player
16-85 North Carolina Paige-1 Junior
11-90 North Carolina Johnson-2 Junior
08-93 North Carolina Meeks-3 Soph
09-92 North Carolina Jackson-4 Freshman
16-85 North Carolina Hicks-6 Soph
30-71 North Carolina Berry-8 Freshman
15-86 North Carolina Pinson-9 Freshman
89-12 North Carolina Williams recruit
95-06 North Carolina Maye recruit
I did not find a rating for Britt or James from their HS senior ratings.
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640
So UNC has two guys who rated top 10 in their class, and 4 guys rated between 11 and 20 for the most skilled group this coming year.
Some guys far exceed their HR ranking sand some guys underperform. Some guys may be highly skilled not play a lot their freshman year.
Just a way to try and validate the ESPN and CBS too early Top 25.
This method tends to favor the blue blood college programs and under estimate thee mid-majors and colleges who target guys outside the top 25 where they typically cannot compete with the UK's, UNC's Arizona. Duke etc.
I would be interested to know if Donovan leaving for OKC changes those rankings?
Yes, one recruit (Allen) has already de-committed.
I also changed it to factor in ESPN, CBS and Vegas odds. Here, not being ranked by either ESPN nor CBS really dropped Florida.
So first column is not a sort, just an indicator
Skill ESPN CBS Vegas
640 02 01 North Carolina 6/1 10/1
553 01 04 Kentucky 8/1 10/1
565 04 02 Maryland 12/1 14/1
617 07 06 Duke 16/1 10/1
542 06 03 Kansas 16/1
421 12 08 Michigan State 20/1 10/1
375 03 05 Iowa State 18/1
617 15 16 Arizona 25/1 20/1
304 05 07 Virginia 12/1 18/1
433 14 13 Indiana 25/1
280 09 10 Gonzaga 25/1 20/1
403 16 20 Utah 50/1 40/1
257 08 12 Villanova 25/1 22/1
271 11 11 Wichita State 50/1 33/1
470 24 23 Texas A&M 40/1
385 26 19 Michigan 50/1 33/1
429 19 24 LSU 50/1
495 21 NR Louisville 33/1
140 10 09 Oklahoma 25/1 28/1
483 NR 14 California 50/1
447 23 NR Texas 40/1
269 25 17 Wisconsin 33/1 40/1
348 13 NR Notre Dame 33/1 40/1
316 17 21 Baylor 66/1
297 18 18 Georgetown 75/1 100/1
573 NR NR Florida 50/1
380 35 25 Florida State 50/1 100/1
403 NR NR Ohio State 50/1
235 NR 15 SMU 50/1
469 34 NR UCLA 50/1 100/1
I also changed it to factor in ESPN, CBS and Vegas odds. Here, not being ranked by either ESPN nor CBS really dropped Florida.
So first column is not a sort, just an indicator
Skill ESPN CBS Vegas
640 02 01 North Carolina 6/1 10/1
553 01 04 Kentucky 8/1 10/1
565 04 02 Maryland 12/1 14/1
617 07 06 Duke 16/1 10/1
542 06 03 Kansas 16/1
421 12 08 Michigan State 20/1 10/1
375 03 05 Iowa State 18/1
617 15 16 Arizona 25/1 20/1
304 05 07 Virginia 12/1 18/1
433 14 13 Indiana 25/1
280 09 10 Gonzaga 25/1 20/1
403 16 20 Utah 50/1 40/1
257 08 12 Villanova 25/1 22/1
271 11 11 Wichita State 50/1 33/1
470 24 23 Texas A&M 40/1
385 26 19 Michigan 50/1 33/1
429 19 24 LSU 50/1
495 21 NR Louisville 33/1
140 10 09 Oklahoma 25/1 28/1
483 NR 14 California 50/1
447 23 NR Texas 40/1
269 25 17 Wisconsin 33/1 40/1
348 13 NR Notre Dame 33/1 40/1
316 17 21 Baylor 66/1
297 18 18 Georgetown 75/1 100/1
573 NR NR Florida 50/1
380 35 25 Florida State 50/1 100/1
403 NR NR Ohio State 50/1
235 NR 15 SMU 50/1
469 34 NR UCLA 50/1 100/1
