Fedora joining Herman's staff at UT
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Hopefully they pay him well, so we don't have to pay as much.
“Fedora also groomed a relatively unknown high school quarterback from Ohio, Mitch Trubisky, into a top-10 NFL Draft pick.”
What a crock.
What a crock.
247 had him as a four star and one of the top duel threat QBs in the nation.
Yes. They ranked him as the 207th player overall in the nation. He left UNC as the 2nd overall pick. To discredit Fedora and Staff in Trubisky’s development is disingenuous by Archer. Remember how shaky he looked early?
I wasn't trying to discredit Fedora, I was just correcting your statement. I've defended Fed's recruiting multiple times here.
You were amending my statement, not correcting it. Mitch was a 3 star by Rivals (the site we are on) and a 4 star by 247 (a site we are not in).
Don’t obfuscate the issue. Archer was trying to discredit the staff and Fedora having any impact on developing Trubisky into a top tier QB. If you want to argue he didn’t have a hand, fine. Go for it.
You are the one who tried to amend the statement when you added the rivals part after your original post. You insinuated that Mitch was just seen as some three star who wasn't well known. That's just not true. He received multiple big name offers and high rankings from multiple sites (ESPN had him as a four star as well). Anytime someone talks about how crappy Fed was at recruiting, I'm one of the first to defend him and I use facts to do so. You usually like when I do that. Don't get upset because I corrected your original post.
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Was Trubisky not a 3* QB by rivals? Are we not on Rivals? I don’t subscribe to or follow the other sites.
Trubisky had 10 total offers with Alabama, OSU, and UTjr offering late. Of the 3, I think only OSU was commitable. The rest of his offers were from Cincinnati, Toledo, Mich St, Northwestern, Minnesota, and us.
Trubisky was not an unknown, but he also wasn’t a top flight QB recruit by any measure. For you to argue otherwise is silly.
You are arguing for the sake of arguing but continuing to miss the point.
You should have said you were only talking about rivals to begin with. The other site rankings can be found using Google. No need to subscribe.
Commitable or not, you have to be known by those schools to get any type of offer.
Then don't act like he was.
I never did argue that.
I hadn't planned on arguing anything. All I was going to do was point out that he wasn't seen as a three star from some sites. That's all. I don't really care about the development argument because that's subjective.
For the last time, you pointing out he was a 4* star QB ranked 207 by 247 doesn’t have any bearing on the original point I was making. It is useless. Any coach at any school should get credit for developing a QB like that.
Trubisky was a later arrival on the ratings. After committing to UNC, he received offers from a large number of the biggest name football powers, including Alabama and Ohio St. His potential was so well known before he ever played at UNC that either SI (I think) or ESPN featured him in an article about freshmen in eligibility who could be in the running for a Heisman.
You shouldn't have used ratings in your original point if you didn't want them to be brought up.
You dolt, I don’t care that it was brought up. It doesn’t change my contention.
I wasn't trying to change your contention. It's weird for you to continue to argue with me on this. There are plenty of metrics to prove your point that Fed helped him. Why argue about something that wasn't meant to be an argument?
Many of the people who defended Torbush to the end continued, after his firing, to wax poetically about NasCarl's D's under Mack and to sing the praises of favorite players from the Torbush years. My favorite was a guy who insisted that if only we had kept Torbush, then in 2001 we would have won 10 games and Ron Curry would have been All ACC and then an NFL QB.
That pattern not only continued with Bunting but got worse. A number of Bunting defenders spent the entire Davis tenure bashing what was going on while telling stories of the wonders of Bunting as leader who developed talent and led teams to be proud of because of the hard work. It was wrong to fire such a good alum.
The same is true with the faithful in Fedora. Whatever little thing they think they can spin into a mark of Fedora not having been a failure, they will spin, and spin. They will attribute to Fedora the NFL successes even of players that Fedora sat for 3 full years, just as the pro-Bunting crowd asserted that Willie Parker's NFL successes were due to Bunting, who benched Parker.
I am not aware of any other football fan base that has this, shall we say, issue, in which coaches who fail miserably became icons to defend and even promote. And one of the things about it that I find most interesting is that there were virtually 0 UNC fans who developed such unfounded praise of Dick Crum. In fact, large numbers of fans came to dislike the Crum legacy so much that they failed to give any credit to the 2nd and last UNC coach to win the ACC who also is the winningest coach in UNC football history, a coach who won 4 consecutive bowls (all against programs that had won at least 1 National Championship), a coach who produced back to back Top 10 finishes and whose worst team was 5-6.
I definitely wanted Crum fired in 1987 - in fact, I had sent letters to the PooP Sheet at the end of the '85 season calling for his head. But I always knew and appreciated what he'd done in the early 1980s. And the myth that grew that he somehow had always been bad for UNC baffles me still, triply so when I think about the loyalists to Torbush and especially Bunting and now Fedora.
I predicted Fedora's failure well before 2015, and I stuck to my lack of faith in him through that season. I knew that the failure to make 2016 the season it should have been marked the end of his ability to be better than .500 at UNC again, and I kept saying so. I did not, however, think Fedora would get so low as 2 wins, and that I also said (I was wrong - Fedora is even worse than I recognized before 2017).
Most of the faithful in Fedora will not forgive those who were correct about Fedora. The hardcore Bunting crowd still likes to jab at those who were most correct about Bunting, though they almost always do so from an angle that avoids mentioning Bunting. It is possible that the faithful in Fedora have an ever deeper faith than the Bunting crowd and so will for some time, perhaps years, be telling us all how Fedora was the coach who made Trubisky.
That pattern not only continued with Bunting but got worse. A number of Bunting defenders spent the entire Davis tenure bashing what was going on while telling stories of the wonders of Bunting as leader who developed talent and led teams to be proud of because of the hard work. It was wrong to fire such a good alum.
The same is true with the faithful in Fedora. Whatever little thing they think they can spin into a mark of Fedora not having been a failure, they will spin, and spin. They will attribute to Fedora the NFL successes even of players that Fedora sat for 3 full years, just as the pro-Bunting crowd asserted that Willie Parker's NFL successes were due to Bunting, who benched Parker.
I am not aware of any other football fan base that has this, shall we say, issue, in which coaches who fail miserably became icons to defend and even promote. And one of the things about it that I find most interesting is that there were virtually 0 UNC fans who developed such unfounded praise of Dick Crum. In fact, large numbers of fans came to dislike the Crum legacy so much that they failed to give any credit to the 2nd and last UNC coach to win the ACC who also is the winningest coach in UNC football history, a coach who won 4 consecutive bowls (all against programs that had won at least 1 National Championship), a coach who produced back to back Top 10 finishes and whose worst team was 5-6.
I definitely wanted Crum fired in 1987 - in fact, I had sent letters to the PooP Sheet at the end of the '85 season calling for his head. But I always knew and appreciated what he'd done in the early 1980s. And the myth that grew that he somehow had always been bad for UNC baffles me still, triply so when I think about the loyalists to Torbush and especially Bunting and now Fedora.
I predicted Fedora's failure well before 2015, and I stuck to my lack of faith in him through that season. I knew that the failure to make 2016 the season it should have been marked the end of his ability to be better than .500 at UNC again, and I kept saying so. I did not, however, think Fedora would get so low as 2 wins, and that I also said (I was wrong - Fedora is even worse than I recognized before 2017).
Most of the faithful in Fedora will not forgive those who were correct about Fedora. The hardcore Bunting crowd still likes to jab at those who were most correct about Bunting, though they almost always do so from an angle that avoids mentioning Bunting. It is possible that the faithful in Fedora have an ever deeper faith than the Bunting crowd and so will for some time, perhaps years, be telling us all how Fedora was the coach who made Trubisky.
All you want to do is argue. GFY.
My comment was aimed at the “relatively unknown” part. Trubisky was so unknown that he was offered by Tennessee, Alabama, Michigan, OSU, and Michigan State. He had all the tools to be a star coming out of high school. I think our staff did a good job developing him but I think he should have played more.
I'm sure Fed had an impact. It'd be tough to be his coach for 3 years and not have an impact. But if there's an implication that Fed somehow did some sort of developing that Mitch wouldn't have gotten at a plethora of other Power 5 schools, I think that's way off base. Obviously we'll never know, but I think Mitch has always had the goods to be a great player, even without getting his Red Bull wings.
He chose to sit him the 3rd year in exchange for ELEVEN STRAIGHT wins, including a botched referee call on the onsides that gives us possession down 7 points down for the final drive of a shoot-out with Clemson.
#CorrectDecision
That's a moot point that we keep debating. I could ask the question "How many coaches would sit a guy who would be the 2nd pick in the NFL Draft one year later for a guy who couldn't make an NFL team?"
It's all speculation at this point. Trubisky was a rare talent for a program like Carolina, rare. And we got one year out of him in four years. One.
Says the guy who calls someone else retarded on a message board. Just reinforces my low opinion of you.
