Fouls

[UNC-75]

Now that some time has elapsed to take in the game a question has to be asked. Yes, we have to admit that Kentucky's foul trouble in the first half effected this game. Whether Cal chose to sit his players or trust in them is one question, but the bigger question in my mind is if the time has come for the NCAA to change the rule and allow 6 fouls per game. Heck, how many times have we had to sit Hicks this year or Brice last year? I would love to have seen the Heels compete against Fox and Monk in the first half. When they got back in the second half we were able to contain them for the most part and one could argue the game was not won or lost in the first half. But the game is bigger and quicker than when these rules were implemented and I for one would like a change to 6 fouls. Not to mention an aggressive dive to the ball or a tip in that gets called with a ticky tacky foul. That way you could leave in a guy with 2 fouls and he can still remain committed on the defensive side rather than have to play passively trying to avoid any contact.
When I watch a college game, I want to see the best players for the most part compete against each other. I don't want to see how the coaches adjust. Yes, we benefited from the foul trouble this time but may hurt us down the road. Time to change the rule.

 

[uncfan in ky]

I was at the game & didn't have the benefit of very many replays. Cal choose to sit his players with two fouls... that's on him.

 

[UNC-75]

I was at the game & didn't have the benefit of very many replays. Cal choose to sit his players with two fouls... that's on him.

I completely agree with that. Roy put Pinson back in with the same situation. Perhaps different as Pinson is not relied on as much to win the game at the end. But my point was not so much about this game but the rule in general.

 

[gary-7]

Now that some time has elapsed to take in the game a question has to be asked. Yes, we have to admit that Kentucky's foul trouble in the first half effected this game. Whether Cal chose to sit his players or trust in them is one question, but the bigger question in my mind is if the time has come for the NCAA to change the rule and allow 6 fouls per game. Heck, how many times have we had to sit Hicks this year or Brice last year? I would love to have seen the Heels compete against Fox and Monk in the first half. When they got back in the second half we were able to contain them for the most part and one could argue the game was not won or lost in the first half. But the game is bigger and quicker than when these rules were implemented and I for one would like a change to 6 fouls. Not to mention an aggressive dive to the ball or a tip in that gets called with a ticky tacky foul. That way you could leave in a guy with 2 fouls and he can still remain committed on the defensive side rather than have to play passively trying to avoid any contact.
When I watch a college game, I want to see the best players for the most part compete against each other. I don't want to see how the coaches adjust. Yes, we benefited from the foul trouble this time but may hurt us down the road. Time to change the rule.

Sorry, but IMO there has to be consequences to fouling. That gawdawful 10-minute reset rule at the NIT was just the worst. I get your point, and yeah it sucks when our guys have to sit, but the onus is on the refs to call it straight, and then the onus is on the players to control themselves.

 

[uncfan in ky]

I completely agree with that. Roy put Pinson back in with the same situation. Perhaps different as Pinson is not relied on as much to win the game at the end. But my point was not so much about this game but the rule in general.

Personally I don't want to see players get 6 fouls.
I'd like to see it go back to 4 quarters with team fouls being reset every quarter.

 

[UNC-75]

Sorry, but IMO there has to be consequences to fouling. That gawdawful 10-minute reset rule at the NIT was just the worst. I get your point, and yeah it sucks when our guys have to sit, but the onus is on the refs to call it straight, and then the onus is on the players to control themselves.

Gary- You are assuming the refs are making all the correct calls. Too many times they make a little error in a call and it sits a stud for the half. I do see both sides of the argument as you don't want to reward teams that allow their aggression to go overboard to the point of fouls.

 

[soap - new and improved]

6 fouls? Absolutely not! What it's time for is coaches to teach defense properly, not slap grab and shove. If anything we need a tighter reign on things til the hockey style stuff is cleaned up and cleared out of college basketball.

Do I look for the powers that be to clean things up? Will be shocked if that happens.

 

[gary-7]

Gary- You are assuming the refs are making all the correct calls. Too many times they make a little error in a call and it sits a stud for the half. I do see both sides of the argument as you don't want to reward teams that allow their aggression to go overboard to the point of fouls.

Oh no, trust me, I'm not making that assumption ...
but seriously, I'm saying that the onus falls on the zebras, and better training, evaluation and accountability is the direction I would go with that. There's no prefect way of doing things, and again, I totally get your point --- I just don't want to encourage more fouling and "physical" play.

 

[TarHeelMark]

Roy chose to play Joel vs dook and we got burned. He let Theo play tonight and it worked out. Cal could've let his guys play but maybe he was concerned about their inexperience in NCAAT. As mentioned, that's on him. They almost won anyway so I guess it didn't hurt them too much.

 

[CanuckChuck]

Just an FYI on the officials tonight.

For the year
UK avg 18.8 fouls
UNC avg 17.5 fouls

Tonight
UK 19
UNC 18

CC

 

[GACMAN]

I think the onus should be on the NCAA to stop fiddling with the game and making so many asinine changes....I blame them for the crappy officiating that has been going on this tournament!! They call touch fouls out front and then let guys get hammered underneath....the fans, coaches or players don't know anymore what a foul is or isn't because of all the tinkering BS

 

[2DDIMOND]

Now that some time has elapsed to take in the game a question has to be asked. Yes, we have to admit that Kentucky's foul trouble in the first half effected this game. Whether Cal chose to sit his players or trust in them is one question, but the bigger question in my mind is if the time has come for the NCAA to change the rule and allow 6 fouls per game. Heck, how many times have we had to sit Hicks this year or Brice last year? I would love to have seen the Heels compete against Fox and Monk in the first half. When they got back in the second half we were able to contain them for the most part and one could argue the game was not won or lost in the first half. But the game is bigger and quicker than when these rules were implemented and I for one would like a change to 6 fouls. Not to mention an aggressive dive to the ball or a tip in that gets called with a ticky tacky foul. That way you could leave in a guy with 2 fouls and he can still remain committed on the defensive side rather than have to play passively trying to avoid any contact.
When I watch a college game, I want to see the best players for the most part compete against each other. I don't want to see how the coaches adjust. Yes, we benefited from the foul trouble this time but may hurt us down the road. Time to change the rule.

Could not agree more!

 

[GoNtheDistance]

Agree 100%. The lack of consistency is what is ridiculous. I'd rather it be no blood no foul rather than how it is now. They'll call a slight bump on the perimeter, but let somebody get hammered on a shot. Then on the opposite end, it could be something totally different.

 

[FlaTarHeel]

Oh no, trust me, I'm not making that assumption ...
but seriously, I'm saying that the onus falls on the zebras, and better training, evaluation and accountability is the direction I would go with that.

^^^^^

 

[SKYBLUEWITCHEESE]

Now that some time has elapsed to take in the game a question has to be asked. Yes, we have to admit that Kentucky's foul trouble in the first half effected this game. Whether Cal chose to sit his players or trust in them is one question, but the bigger question in my mind is if the time has come for the NCAA to change the rule and allow 6 fouls per game. Heck, how many times have we had to sit Hicks this year or Brice last year? I would love to have seen the Heels compete against Fox and Monk in the first half. When they got back in the second half we were able to contain them for the most part and one could argue the game was not won or lost in the first half. But the game is bigger and quicker than when these rules were implemented and I for one would like a change to 6 fouls. Not to mention an aggressive dive to the ball or a tip in that gets called with a ticky tacky foul. That way you could leave in a guy with 2 fouls and he can still remain committed on the defensive side rather than have to play passively trying to avoid any contact.
When I watch a college game, I want to see the best players for the most part compete against each other. I don't want to see how the coaches adjust. Yes, we benefited from the foul trouble this time but may hurt us down the road. Time to change the rule.

We were up by more when those guys were in the game. They made a run after those guys went out. We didn't score for the last 4 minutes of the first half.

 

[imajericho]

Why should players get an extra foul? Just don't foul.

 

[Heels smoked your team]

Just an FYI on the officials tonight.

For the year
UK avg 18.8 fouls
UNC avg 17.5 fouls

Tonight
UK 19
UNC 18

CC

Ssh don't tell RR this doesn't fit their conspiracy theory....

 

[notashelbyfan]

They were up 5 late and we whipped them in the last 4 mins of the game fouls didnt affect the game, if anything we bailed them out by playing like shit when Fox was on the bench!

The college game has 40 mins and 5 fouls that is one foul every 8 mins of the game per player the NBA has 48 mins and 6 fouls thats the same one fouls per every 8 mins of the game!

All we would be doing would be slowing the game down more and start teams putting people on the line earlier in the game to extend it!

The rules are fine, what we really need is officals that are not bullied by coaches the ACC is a never ending cycle of makeup calls thats what gets players into foul trouble.

 

[HeelFan58]

The problem is terrible and completely inconsistent officiating. I get sick and tired of hearing how the idiot refs call the game different in X conference. Are there different rules in X conference? We might as well face the fact that the NCAA is incompetent and not likely to change.