Frats

[heelmanwilm]

Given the sae video scandal i was curious about everyones frat experience and what they thought.

As for me, i pledged sig ep my freshman year but got booted when we threw our cards at a fb game. (Remember the card section?)

My soph year i pledged ato. There was 4 of us and 3 played lacrosse. We had been to some parties and thought it was cool. But when we pledged a couple of the frat rats took a dislike to us and really started hazing us. One night they tried to get us to strip down to our tighty whities and roll in a mud puddle and say "sizzle sizzle". Lol. Well it got ugly so we uh tendered our resignations so to speak.

I will say this though, i witnessed blatant racism many times at frat parties. Stuff i'm ashamed to admit. Stuff that makes that sae chant seem like kids stuff.
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[gunslingerdick]

I was never the least bit interested in being in a fraternity. No offense to people that were, but I never felt the need to pay into a club just so I'd have sh*t to do. I had plenty to do. I had a good group of friends in college (only a couple of them were in school). I also worked 30+ hours for pretty much my whole college life. And I just don't get down with the silliness of having to be someone's bitch to get "accepted". If I would have pledged, they would have immediately made me king of the house or I would have taken my talents elsewhere.

But also, I never really lived on campus and made friends by being on campus. My friends were people I met in the community (through work, at the bar or buying my drugs). I never participated in "college life" so to speak. For me, college was for going to class (and I even struggled with that) and the fun I had wasn't in any way associated with school.

Again, no offense to anyone that was in one. A lot of my buddies had good experiences and made lifelong friends. Good for them. Just not my thing.

 

[coolwaterunc]

I thought this thread was about farts.
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[BillyL]

I saw where one of OU's football commitments called Stoops today to say he had changed his mind.

That fraternity, SAE, can go f**k themselves . .

 

[chickenhunter]

Frats=organized gang. Not interested

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Not touching this thread

 

[GACMAN]

Idiots everywhere and these jerks are head of the class!!!

 

[mikeirbyusa]

You might have expected this at Bama or UGA but OK??!!

My Lil Squaw grew up in OK and she was shocked this went on there. Well actually she was firing hot MAD!!

NO EXCUSE for this crap in 2015.

 

[BillyL]

Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:

You might have expected this at Bama or UGA but OK??!!

My Lil Squaw grew up in OK and she was shocked this went on there. Well actually she was firing hot MAD!!

NO EXCUSE for this crap in 2015.

My father would be absolutely livid right now if he were alive.

From what I am hearing on the news this morning there may be a strong movement on campus to expel those students that were chanting on the bus. Expulsion is exactly what should be done IMO and nothing less than that. I did enjoy seeing a video clip of those students loading up their gear into cars and rental trucks, I hope they have some trouble finding a new place to live before being told they are going to be expelled.

Racists . . . I can't f*cking stand 'em.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by BillyL:

Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:

You might have expected this at Bama or UGA but OK??!!

My Lil Squaw grew up in OK and she was shocked this went on there. Well actually she was firing hot MAD!!

NO EXCUSE for this crap in 2015.

My father would be absolutely livid right now if he were alive.

From what I am hearing on the news this morning there may be a strong movement on campus to expel those students that were chanting on the bus. Expulsion is exactly what should be done IMO and nothing less than that. I did enjoy seeing a video clip of those students loading up their gear into cars and rental trucks, I hope they have some trouble finding a new place to live before being told they are going to be expelled.

Racists . . . I can't f*cking stand 'em.

Just no. Like I said when Donald Sterling was being railroaded, you cannot punish people for being racist. If OU were to expel them for their private racism that was caught on camera, it would open up Pandora's box. I could take a video of a girl saying to one of her friends, "I hate that bitch". Should she be expelled too? Or a video of a student saying, "All this damn homework...I'd like to kill my professor!" Would that student deserve expulsion?

I get those two fictitious scenarios aren't exactly like the OU bus video, but the bottom line is that thoughts and beliefs regardless of how sick and twisted they are, cannot be punished until they are manifested through some kind of wrongdoing unless it's to prevent someone being physically hurt. There's no crime in being racist. And just because it was caught on camera doesn't give the school the right to legislate thoughts and beliefs. Would you be in favor of them being arrested for their thoughts and beliefs? If that were the case, then couldn't you argue that every protester in Ferguson should be arrested or at least kicked out of their apartment complexes because of their chanting "Pigs in a blanket" and other derogatory statements about police?

Those kids have been shamed now because of their antics and I hope they are humiliated and suffer some natural consequences because of it. But I want to live in a country where my personal thoughts and beliefs (and yours) are protected.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

^^ now now 'slinger, we MUST expel them for their private views. That's the PC New American way.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:

You might have expected this at Bama or UGA but OK??!!

Yes, Bama and UGA. Also...Happens at OU. Happens at NU. Happens at UNC. Happens at GT. Happens at FSU. Happens at UVA. I've personally seen it at five of the places I just listed.

You get my drift. This video could've been shot at any school. Was what they said terrible? Yes. Does it reflect on OU or the state of Oklahoma? No.

Another thing: Did they really mean any of it? I highly doubt it. That won't get brought up by the media or by anyone really, but it's an obvious question to ask -- did they really mean what they are saying? Do they really want to lynch someone? Or were they just (in their opinion) being funny? If they truly meant what they're singing, yes that's a problem. But I guess with things like the Sterling incident -- words are now punishable.

EDITED TO ADD: And save yourself the trouble of saying I'm "protecting racists" or anything like that. I'm wanting opinions and beliefs to be protected. It seems like we're rapidly (d)evolving into a world where your opinions are only protected if they align with the accepted PC narrative of the present day. That's all I'm trying to get across here. 'Slinger expressed it better above.
This post was edited on 3/10 9:44 AM by TarHeelNation11

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:


Another thing: Did they really mean any of it? I highly doubt it. That won't get brought up by the media or by anyone really, but it's an obvious question to ask -- did they really mean what they are saying? Do they really want to lynch someone? Or were they just (in their opinion) being funny? If they truly meant what they're singing, yes that's a problem. But I guess with things like the Sterling incident -- words are now punishable.

Determining intent is impossible. But I get your point. But even if they meant what they were saying, unless there's reason to believe that they would carry out their belief with physical action, then ...deal with it. Again, you can't arrest someone for being a dick. You can't expel someone from school because they're not a nice person. You cannot penalize someone for having a different belief than you.

Have you seen what has happened at UC Irvine? There were kids on some kind of council that voted to remove the American flag from a common area in the library. By voting that way, one would assume that they don't want the flag hanging. Another committee overruled and the flag will stay. Should we expel the kids that voted for it to come down because they are expressing anti-American beliefs? Of course not. Again, they'll be shamed and humiliated and they will suffer the natural consequences of their behavior. And if they don't, well, then they got lucky. That's life.

Feel free to think of those OU folks as racist jerks. Maybe they are and maybe they aren't. I don't know. But I do know that if we attempt to penalize people for certain beliefs, then our country is worse off than I thought it was.

 

[Heels in Space]

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:
Just no. Like I said when Donald Sterling was being railroaded, you cannot punish people for being racist. If OU were to expel them for their private racism that was caught on camera, it would open up Pandora's box. I could take a video of a girl saying to one of her friends, "I hate that bitch". Should she be expelled too? Or a video of a student saying, "All this damn homework...I'd like to kill my professor!" Would that student deserve expulsion?

I get those two fictitious scenarios aren't exactly like the OU bus video, but the bottom line is that thoughts and beliefs regardless of how sick and twisted they are, cannot be punished until they are manifested through some kind of wrongdoing unless it's to prevent someone being physically hurt. There's no crime in being racist. And just because it was caught on camera doesn't give the school the right to legislate thoughts and beliefs. Would you be in favor of them being arrested for their thoughts and beliefs? If that were the case, then couldn't you argue that every protester in Ferguson should be arrested or at least kicked out of their apartment complexes because of their chanting "Pigs in a blanket" and other derogatory statements about police?

Those kids have been shamed now because of their antics and I hope they are humiliated and suffer some natural consequences because of it. But I want to live in a country where my personal thoughts and beliefs (and yours) are protected.

I get what you're saying, and I'm not sure expulsion is justified here. But I also don't really think this qualifies as "private racism." If it was (like your examples) one person saying to another that they would never allow blacks into SAE, that's one thing. Still racist, but a private comment.

But when you're chanting and shouting about hanging blacks from a tree on a bus full of people, you can't really be shocked that it gets out. These guys aren't being punished for having racist thoughts and beliefs; they're being punished for shouting out really racist things in front of a lot of people.

I might have some beliefs that are not exactly what my employer wants associated with its image. But I don't go around gleefully shouting these things out, even when I think I'm among friends. If I did, I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't stay private.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

Fratters

 

[BillyL]

Where does 'private' expire . . if, at all. That would be a question that I'd have . .

Sterling was expelled from the NBA and few had a problem with it. These students have already been expelled from SAE. If, the school were to somehow find a way to legally expel them, then I'm all for it. If, you're against it, I understand your objections.

Heard this morning that the dude holding the microphone and leading the chant has been ID'ed as Parker Rice, and rumors are he is the son of the chief of staff at the University Hospital . . my guess is that if true, ol' Pops ain't real happy right about now.

 

[Raising Heel]

I probably would have received a bid to _______ fraternity (don't even know the name) at UNC as a legacy since my dad was a member. But I was never interested in being in a fraternity. I had a good group of friends in college, some of whom I went to high school with, and others who lived on my dormitory hall. Those felt like natural friendships to me. Fraternities did not, and the degree of the "group think" present in fraternities was disturbing to me on a number of levels. The Oklahoma incident is just one example of how that.

I can't believe how shocked people are about this. Racism from a college fraternity? NO WAY. We're only talking about some of the most racially homogeneous organizations in America, for crying out loud.

JMO, but I feel like expulsion would be an overreaction. I'm curious whether the OU code of student conduct even allows for expulsion for this kind of incident. It may not matter, because it's going to follow those fraternity brothers around in their everyday lives as students. They may choose to leave on their own.

What's ironic about the punishment from university and the fraternity's national office is how ineffectual it really is at addressing the underlying issue. You can't just shut down that chapter and declare, "Now nobody is racist anymore!" All they have done is ensure that organizational racism is driven underground as groups try prevent those kinds of leaks from happening. But hey, that's what we do in a knee-jerk society that is more concerned about appearances than substance.

 

[Raising Heel]

Originally posted by BillyL:

Heard this morning that the dude holding the microphone and leading the chant has been ID'ed as Parker Rice

Speaking of NO WAY, there's a white fraternity member whose first name is Parker?

This is a subject for another thread, but this phenomenon of giving children last names as non-traditional first names has gotten completely out of hand. I bet every classroom in America contains multiple kids named Parker, Connor, Anderson. McKenzie, ad nauseum. Just stop it already.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

Originally posted by Raising Heel:
... We're only talking about some of the most racially homogeneous organizations in America, for crying out loud.

Along with churches ...

 

[BillyL]

Two students have been expelled . . . OU President Boren saying that "these 2 had created a hostile learning environment for other others."

 

[Raleigh2Miami]

I was in a fraternity at State. Granted Greek Life at NC State isn't as big at more traditionalist schools like UNC, UVA, UGA, or some of the SEC schools- they are big and influential enough.

I've seen racism at fraternities all over but also seen racism by non-greeks.... I can tell you that is not exclusive to white, southern fraternity guys. It is easier to identify bad character flaws possessed by some groups because they are exclusive.... and that extrapolate that to any fraternity. Regardless of what you want to think, fraternities have their virtues in teaching one to behave sociably and with dealing with people you may not see eye-to-eye with and being amicable. You're held accountable by the group when you act like an idiot or even racist- especially racist. Nobody likes a racist, not even racist people. Don't think for a minute members are not absconded or humiliated when they act in a manner that embarrasses the group.

I had a great time in my fraternity and hanging out with sororities at Carolina and ECU and going to parties at NCSU, UNC, ECU, and even South Carolina. Met a lot of great people

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Reading articles and comments on articles about this whole situation............all it does is reinforce something I already know and mention on this board a lot:

The people of this country, by and large, are too stupid and gullible for there to ever be an honest, effective, and enlightening conversation/debate on any race issue that arises. And this ignorance and gullible-ness is created, perpetuated, and magnified by the mainstream media who use racial issues as a powderkeg to divide the audience and get ratings/clicks/eyeballs.

This country is just incapable of discussing race and racism and racial issues. Just not capable. I don't know the fix either. It's getting worse too. Every single black person getting killed by a cop is now front-and-center news where the media drives the angle of "is this a racially motivated killing?" Things are getting worse, and I don't see a solution.