Half Measures will be taken

[keysersosay#1]

This guy says what needs to be said, what most of us know and recognize to be the case at Carolina with Fedora and the program. As was stated in another thread, Fedora is going to be the head coach of Carolina next season IMO. The half measures will be the firing of the DC and anyone associated with the defense. The BUYOUT Is the key and has always been IMO .That is a huge check to cut and no there are NO big donors waiting in the wings to make a check payable to Fedora for 12 million bucks.

Fedora has ONE more year and with Ruder or anyone else at QB other than this Division 3 guy we have had to painfully endure this year, coupled with some real offensive talent, and at least some semblance of a normal amount of injuries...we just may eek out 6 or 7 wins and make some sort of bowl.

No it is not what I or most of us want to hear or see, but the alternative is just not in the MONEY cards.




https://oldnorthblogus.wordpress.com/2018/11/11/tobben-no-more-half-measures-bubba/

 

[KOOL123]

I see Louisville taking full measures..

Bobby is gone....

 

[tarheel0910]

.That is a huge check to cut and no there are NO big donors waiting in the wings to make a check payable to Fedora for 12 million bucks.

Please let AJ (the guy who runs this site and has more knowledge than you and the writer) know that he doesn't know what he's talking about. TIA.

 

[Archer2]

I agree with the writer. It makes no sense to hire new coordinators and expect things to change to much extent. This is, after all, Fed's program.

I think I've made it clear where I stand, I think the majority of UNC fans feel it's time for a change. But despite the talk of the money to buy Fed out being available, with $12-14 million dollars being discussed, I'll have to see to believe it. I think it's more likely Fed returns next year, with changes to the staff. IOW, we'll stick another band-aid on the cut and hope for the best.

The good thing is that eventually his contract will lapse or his buyout will be low enough to make it feasible. Another good thing is that our program can't sink much lower, barring our players going on a crime spree. I think we're going to have to ride this horse for at least one more season, if not two.

 

[tarheel0910]

Regarding the buyout, you guys do realize that it's not really making it cheaper to wait right? The reduction in the buyout is because he got that money as salary. We are giving him $12 million no matter what.

 

[WoadBlue]

It is worse than insane to fork over huge money for flashy new OC and DC hires. So that's what Art Chansky and the basetball-onlys and basketball-firsters will see as the perfect compromise.

 

[TarHeelMark]

Regarding the buyout, you guys do realize that it's not really making it cheaper to wait right? The reduction in the buyout is because he got that money as salary. We are giving him $12 million no matter what.

Good point. He’s either getting it year by year or a lump sum.

 

[strummingram]

Good point. He’s either getting it year by year or a lump sum.

And, I think it is safe to say that he has peaked. It won't get better.

Maybe chalk-it-up to being lesson learned.

It would sure be nice to have a former player as a coach who really wanted to see his alma mater excel and wouldn't be drawn to more money. Sorta like a Roy Williams for the football team! I just don't know if any such person even exists.

 

[Archer2]

Regarding the buyout, you guys do realize that it's not really making it cheaper to wait right? The reduction in the buyout is because he got that money as salary. We are giving him $12 million no matter what.

Sure, Fed is going to get his money. But if we fire him at the end of this season, we're paying the new staff's salaries as well as Fed's buyout. So If the new staff's salaries are $6 mil annually, we're actually paying out the equivalent of $9 mil for the next four years. That's why I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Sure, Fed is going to get his money. But if we fire him at the end of this season, we're paying the new staff's salaries as well as Fed's buyout. So If the new staff's salaries are $6 mil annually, we're actually paying out the equivalent of $9 mil for the next four years. That's why I'll believe it when I see it.

This is correct. And it’s probably worse than that. Middle of the road coaches are making $3MM+ these days. A good coach will cost us north of $4MM.

 

[tarheel0910]

Sure, Fed is going to get his money. But if we fire him at the end of this season, we're paying the new staff's salaries as well as Fed's buyout. So If the new staff's salaries are $6 mil annually, we're actually paying out the equivalent of $9 mil for the next four years. That's why I'll believe it when I see it.

I trust AJ when he says the money is there. I just don't know if a replacement is.

 

[midline]

Louisville found the money, even after all of their other problems of the last year, which included cutting out their largest donor. And you can't tell me that Louisville has more cash than UNC. You can talk about the buyout all you want. The interest is already at a low. Could very well cost the university more than the buyout to bring g him back. Does UNC I want to be serious about football, or not? That is the question.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Louisville found the money, even after all of their other problems of the last year, which included cutting out their largest donor. And you can't tell me that Louisville has more cash than UNC. You can talk about the buyout all you want. The interest is already at a low. Could very well cost the university more than the buyout to bring g him back. Does UNC I want to be serious about football, or not? That is the question.

1. They most likely have their guy lined up.
2. Doesn’t mean it will work out well.


FWIW, they had 20 players request a transfer. The ship was literally going down.

 

[strummingram]

This is correct. And it’s probably worse than that. Middle of the road coaches are making $3MM+ these days. A good coach will cost us north of $4MM.

Sure, Fed is going to get his money. But if we fire him at the end of this season, we're paying the new staff's salaries as well as Fed's buyout. So If the new staff's salaries are $6 mil annually, we're actually paying out the equivalent of $9 mil for the next four years. That's why I'll believe it when I see it.

Regarding the buyout, you guys do realize that it's not really making it cheaper to wait right? The reduction in the buyout is because he got that money as salary. We are giving him $12 million no matter what.

Amateur Athletics, right?

heh-heh!

 

[DSouthr]

Sure, Fed is going to get his money. But if we fire him at the end of this season, we're paying the new staff's salaries as well as Fed's buyout. So If the new staff's salaries are $6 mil annually, we're actually paying out the equivalent of $9 mil for the next four years. That's why I'll believe it when I see it.

Yeah, that is the thing, folks want to act as if all these millions are play money but it isn't, it is a HUGE sum. Yes, it isn't just about buying Fed out, a new staff would as well get paid and paid really well.

I would ask, if $12mil was such and easy number to spend then why did we worry in the first place against protecting Fed, we could have just gone out and spent 4 or 5 million a year on a big time coach?

 

[blazers]

Good point. He’s either getting it year by year or a lump sum.

Right, it is already all baked into the budget across the next few yrs. It is the money for the replacement which is questionable.

 

[blazers]

I see next yr being painful for the D regardless of the defensive staff. We're losing Holcomb, Britt and a ton of DLinemen, and the young DL and LBs haven't looked like they're ready to step up.

Unless Bubba really thinks that a new D staff can help recruiting and they'll still be in place in 2020, 2021, etc, then it seems the change of D coordinator is just a way to retain some fans.

 

[JimmyinVA]

...Middle of the road coaches are making $3MM+ these days. A good coach will cost us north of $4MM.

man, i picked the wrong profession.

 

[ticket2ride04]

man, i picked the wrong profession.

Yeah. The top college football coaches make more than the top nfl coaches now.

 

[WoadBlue]

Yeah. The top college football coaches make more than the top nfl coaches now.

The GM, not the HC, runs an NFL team.

 

[ticket2ride04]

The GM, not the HC, runs an NFL team.

No way

 

[skubby12002]

Louisville cares about football and know that it makes money...UNC is content with being good or great in every other sport.

 

[Tigertown_a_Rick]

This whole situation makes the school and the athletic department look incompetent!

 

[GoNtheDistance]

I said it weeks ago. Bubba better be careful or the Fedora contract and subsequent situation now will be his downfall. Tread lightly Bubba.

 

[KOOL123]

This whole situation makes the school and the athletic department look incompetent!

They are incompetent and always have been...Wait until Roy hangs it up...History tells us this...

 

[skubby12002]

Not incompetent, board is driven by agenda

 

[tarheel0910]

You guys are definitely entertaining.

 

[notashelbyfan]

It feels like the school tried to do it right after the years after Mack left many years later and hired Butch and they feel like they got burned and then just hung it up.

 

[tarheel0910]

It feels like the school tried to do it right after the years after Mack left many years later and hired Butch and they feel like they got burned and then just hung it up.

I think people forget that Fed wasn't the first choice. We went after Petersen, but he didn't want to come. The NCAA investigation also limited our choices.

 

[ticket2ride04]

I think people forget that Fed wasn't the first choice. We went after Petersen, but he didn't want to come. The NCAA investigation also limited our choices.

People also forget we went after and got Chizik. He was the hottest name out for DC. We had a coach with a national championship ring on the sideline. But his wasn’t in it and he left after only 2 years. Gene was the missing piece. I think he would have continued to improve the defense and attract better defensive recruits.

Now cue up the guys who think Fedora ran Gene out of town while forgetting they remain friends and Gene had his kid at Larry’s camp.

 

[WoadBlue]

I think people forget that Fed wasn't the first choice. We went after Petersen, but he didn't want to come. The NCAA investigation also limited our choices.

Going after a guy who is never going to come to your school is at best a waste of time and money and often offends guys who would come and do not want to be obvious distant 2nd options. Chris Peterson was never going to leave the Pacific northwest. He is Mark Few of football - that is the only region he cares to live in.

Sometimes hiring committees ruin a search on purpose, doing things like going after a coach who will not ever coach at that school.

 

[tarheel0910]

Going after a guy who is never going to come to your school is at best a waste of time and money and often offends guys who would come and do not want to be obvious distant 2nd options. Chris Peterson was never going to leave the Pacific northwest. He is Mark Few of football - that is the only region he cares to live in.

Sometimes hiring committees ruin a search on purpose, doing things like going after a coach who will not ever coach at that school.

This doesn't make much sense. You don't know if he would come unless you ask. Just because you think he won't doesn't mean it's true. How many people thought Davis would be willing to come? If you base your search on the fear of upsetting someone, you're most likely going to end up with a bad choice.

 

[WoadBlue]

This doesn't make much sense. You don't know if he would come unless you ask. Just because you think he won't doesn't mean it's true. How many people thought Davis would be willing to come? If you base your search on the fear of upsetting someone, you're most likely going to end up with a bad choice.

Asking and pursuing are not synonyms. Many people with some conections said we were pursuing Peterson.

I knew we would be able to hire Butch. I started posting again, after some time, on the Tar Pit precisely to say that.

How did I know? A friend, a small time Bama booster - who, by the way, knew Logan Young quite well - knew from Bama's one-time flirtation with Butch that UNC was one of the schools he would jump to take over.

 

[heelmanwilm]

If we lose to $tate hes gone. At that point We wont have a single player on the roster going into next season thats beat dook or $tate. They’ll pay.

 

[skubby12002]

What If I told you UNC doesnt want to be good in football...

 

[strummingram]

What If I told you UNC doesnt want to be good in football...

What if I told you that "UNC doesn't want to be good in football" is all you EVER tell us. And, it's always wrong.

 

[midline]

Amateur Athletics, right?

heh-heh!

You hit the nail on the head. No matter how folks like to talk about "the kids", and cheering on the old school colors, basketball and football have turned into big business. Nothing more, nothing less. Proof of this is the players themselves

If we lose to $tate hes gone. At that point We wont have a single player on the roster going into next season thats beat dook or $tate. They’ll pay.

Why would losing to State be the barometer for him being gone? Does beating State suddenly make a statement that the program is headed in the right direction? State going up the ranking was a fluke due to their early season schedule which a lot of 1AA teams would long for. Once they started having to play anyone with a pulse they have been revealed as the trash they are. Is losing to Duke three years in a row not enough? Please. Cutcliffe is a great coach. Probably the best in the conference. But UNC losing to Duke should only happen as a fluke.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Why would losing to State be the barometer for him being gone?.[/QUOTE]

You didnt go to carolina. Nttawwt. But beating state is the barometer for every sport unc fields. If u lose to them 3 yrs in a row in badminton your ass is gone.

 

[franklin street]

Why would losing to State be the barometer for him being gone?.

You didnt go to carolina. Nttawwt. But beating state is the barometer for every sport unc fields. If u lose to them 3 yrs in a row in badminton your ass is gone.[/QUOTE]

BS!
beating state means nothing to me compared to beating dook.

 

[uncboy10]

Many folks thought Petersen would consider UNC because of the medical facilities at UNC/Duke. Going after him was a smart move even if it was long odds. We should still be gunning for someone at that level.