Hope everyone is okay today.

[ROYANDDEAN]

Seemed like a lot of you guys jumped off a bridge, mountain, or whatever high peak you could reach last night.

Here's what I saw after this game and its sad



Fire RoyRoy doesn't get recruitsWhy doesn't Roy teach the guys to shoot 3's or Dunk the BallWe will lose outWe will lose the first round of the NCAA tournamentWe don't belong in the NCAA tournamentOur guys are soft

Was last nights loss disappointing, heck yes, I hate losing to State more than I hate losing to anyone. They have the stupidest fan base of any team out there. This included all sports on Earth.

But Good lord guys give them a break, sure this team hasn't been perfect but the season isn't over yet.

Over the past few games we have had a game plan of get the ball down low and beat the other team to death. Last night our big guys just didn't make shots, State slowed the ball down which limited our transition and they kicked our butts.

Now ask yourself these question. Until I see a good solid answer please God stop beating on Roy. We are damn lucky to have him.




Who at this time (that we could get) is a better coach than Roy Williams.
Hard to find a Hall of Famer with a 79% win percentage, Two National Championships that's ALREADY your coach

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:

Seemed like a lot of you guys jumped off a bridge, mountain, or whatever high peak you could reach last night.

Here's what I saw after this game and its sad



Fire RoyRoy doesn't get recruitsWhy doesn't Roy teach the guys to shoot 3's or Dunk the BallWe will lose outWe will lose the first round of the NCAA tournamentWe don't belong in the NCAA tournamentOur guys are soft

Was last nights loss disappointing, heck yes, I hate losing to State more than I hate losing to anyone. They have the stupidest fan base of any team out there. This included all sports on Earth.

But Good lord guys give them a break, sure this team hasn't been perfect but the season isn't over yet.

Over the past few games we have had a game plan of get the ball down low and beat the other team to death. Last night our big guys just didn't make shots, State slowed the ball down which limited our transition and they kicked our butts.

Now ask yourself these question. Until I see a good solid answer please God stop beating on Roy. We are damn lucky to have him.


Who at this time (that we could get) is a better coach than Roy Williams.
Hard to find a Hall of Famer with a 79% win percentage, Two National Championships that's ALREADY your coach

I only speak for myself, but I'm certainly not jumping off a bridge. It's sports, man. I have real life important sh*t that takes precedent. But with that said, as a fan, I reserve the right to be as unreasonable as I please. And frankly, it's the coach's responsibility to hear me, say something that makes feel better and then disregard my sentiments.

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:

Fire Roy

Agreed. That might be over the top.

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:

Roy doesn't get recruits

Well, the proof is in the pudding. This freshman class we have this year was highly rated, but they aren't producing at the level in which other highly rated classes are - UK, duke, KU. Why is that? Is it an evaluation problem? I don't know. And then by sheer numbers, we have certainly failed for next year. Luke Maye, while he's a nice player is baely a 4 star...AND HE"S ALL WE HAVE SIGNED. That's concerning.

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:

Why doesn't Roy teach the guys to shoot 3's or Dunk the Ball

Maybe that's not properly stated. Instead, let's try, "why does Roy not emphasize halfcourt offense more and taking the ball strong to the hole. Maybe he can say, "Kennedy, Brice, Isaiah, if you lay the ball in instead of dunking, you'll run sprints at the end of practice." Or something. Sheesh! We miss way too many shots at the rim.

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:

We will lose out

That is certainly a possibility. I don't think it will happen but it's not a ridiculous notion.

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:

We will lose the first round of the NCAA tournament

Depending on our seed, which after last night is in free fall, this is a very real possibility and shouldn't be scoffed at.

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:

We don't belong in the NCAA tournament

Well, the field is ridiculously large so yeah, this is over the top. Even when we're bad, we're still a top 68 team in the country.

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:

Our guys are soft

I don't see how you can argue against this. We have proven time and again this year (and last and probably the year before that too) that we are not a mentally or physically strong team. Losing rebounds we should have, losing leads late in games, folding under pressure...all those are direct evidence of us being soft.

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:



But Good lord guys give them a break, sure this team hasn't been perfect but the season isn't over yet.

Over the past few games we have had a game plan of get the ball down low and beat the other team to death. Last night our big guys just didn't make shots, State slowed the ball down which limited our transition and they kicked our butts.

No, the season isn't over. There's always the chance that we could catch fire and run off 7,8 or 9 wins in a row. But what makes you believe we can do that at this point. After the duke game, I kind of thought we could. But after last night, I have serious reservations. It's not that we lost. It's how we lost. And to me, that's been the story for many games. We just can't get out of our own way.

State did indeed have a good plan to stop our Bigs. Great job by them. But why is there no plan B in Roy's arsenal? There never is. "Daggummit...those pesky wolfpeckers have foiled my plans. Oh well, we'll just keep trying and see if we can get some darn luck."

 

[RP12]

I don't get how this season is so surprising to folks. We knew we were too dependent on Paige, and he's not been nearly as good as last year, probably due mostly to injuries. We needed Brice to step up and be smarter and much more consistent, and he has not reached the level of consistency we wanted yet. We needed Meeks to be dependable and I believe he has been all we could've expected and more. We needed JP to continue to be a defensive star and find his spots on offense more consistently, and for a variety of reasons his role and performance haven't been well defined yet. We needed the freshmen to contribute, particularly Jackson as a shooter, and he has struggled to find a groove while the other two missed major time with injury.

Most of what we knew needed to happen from last year to this year did not work out. The results reflect it. You can blame Roy all you want but I don't know of anyone I would trust more to run our program. YMMV.

 

[ChiShankCity]

The trajectory of the program right now is not good.

This will be the 3rd straight year UNC has lost double digit games. And that's with a roster where 3 of the top 4 guys in terms of minutes played are juniors. That core hasn't gotten the results nor the improvement you should see.

There's no true sign of help coming in where we've needed it for those 3 years.

And I know we're biased towards UNC and I'll get hate on this, but I think people are kidding themselves if they think UNC is the top program in college basketball right now. It was 4-5 years ago when they were winning and consistently got guys into the NBA. But we're not at the top of the mountain anymore. I think we're a top 5 program right now: Kentucky, Duke... Then we're probably in that: Arizona, Kansas mix right now. But to me, right now, this program is more similar to Louisville than anything else. A great program with a HOF HC... But a program that might be a distant second in its own state.

idk, I might be looking at it wrong, but it's really not a huge deal when UNC loses anymore. Duke loses, UK loses.... Those are top sports headlines that night. Not really the case with us anymore. And that's a shame and I'm not sure how better that reality is going to get over the next couple years.

 

[ROYANDDEAN]

2012 was 4-5 years ago? My math is off.

 

[Heelicious]

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:

I only speak for myself, but I'm certainly not jumping off a bridge. It's sports, man. I have real life important sh*t that takes precedent. But with that said, as a fan, I reserve the right to be as unreasonable as I please. And frankly, it's the coach's responsibility to hear me, say something that makes feel better and then disregard my sentiments.


I agree. There are way more important REAL things about life to deal with. Work, health, kids, etc. I was able to enjoy time with my kids after the game last night, including a banquet for real sports they are involved in. Takes the edge / importance off of a game that doesn't impact me or my family directly.

That being said, I know its easy, and unfair to have overstated, knee jerk reactions about / blaming Roy. And I get that the academic bogus scandal has hurt a lot with recruits. Does anyone know a possible resolution date? A light at the end of the tunnel?

And regarding Roy, I seriously ask where people rate Roy, among NCAA coaches in:
1) recruiting, assuming there were no scandal (he gets a B+ / A-; top 10 from me here)
2) X's and O's - half court game plan including adapting / exploiting what the other team is trying to do / how they play. (I'd give him a C; middle of pack here)
3) getting his players to play hard all the time (I'd give him a C; middle of pack here)
40 overall style / pace of play: A - kids want to play in an up and down high volume running offense - its more like the NBA
5) development / improvement of kids once they are in the program (B-; I just don't see kids recently dveleoping a lot from year to year.

Overall I'd give Roy a B-; and say maybe he's a top 10 coach. Not top 5 IMO. And I don't think his past stats or winning record mean that much regarding what he is doing now. Could we get a better coach than him, immediately if he left? Not likely. But with the big name, big image of the program, and available resources, I have to wonder - could we do as well or better if we were able to lure say a Bill Self or Sean Miller or even Fred Hoiberg or Buzz Peterson to our program? I'm not sure Roy's recruiting advantage is as important as being excellent at the other items I mentioned above, are, at this point for the program. I know the UNC name doesn't automatically recruit 5 star studs by itself.....

 

[HeelFan58]

I am glad that I am no longer at my old job because the moo mouth breathers and Walmart dookies would have been waiting at my desk this a.m.

 

[PolkCountyBullGator]

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:
2012 was 4-5 years ago? My math is off.

Ignore this dspn clown.

He's a wanna be expert who praises kay and secretly loves dook. He thinks winning 30 games a year is elite, while ignoring 1st round loses to powerhouses called Mercer.[/B]

 

[ChiShankCity]

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:
2012 was 4-5 years ago? My math is off.

Ok, I was off by a year or two. I think the point still holds.

After this year, Roy will have as many 30 win seasons as 10 loss seasons (5 of each).

Both numbers are truly remarkable. But I think people would be surprised at the second stat.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Originally posted by SJung851:

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:
2012 was 4-5 years ago? My math is off.

Ok, I was off by a year or two. I think the point still holds.

After this year, Roy will have as many 30 win seasons as 10 loss seasons (5 of each).

Both numbers are truly remarkable. But I think people would be surprised at the second stat.

Dean Smith had 5 years with 10 or more losses .... in an era when they played far less games.

 

[ChiShankCity]

Originally posted by bleeduncblue:

Originally posted by SJung851:

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:
2012 was 4-5 years ago? My math is off.

Ok, I was off by a year or two. I think the point still holds.

After this year, Roy will have as many 30 win seasons as 10 loss seasons (5 of each).

Both numbers are truly remarkable. But I think people would be surprised at the second stat.

Dean Smith had 5 years with 10 or more losses .... in an era when they played far less games.

In 35 years Dean had 5 10 loss seasons.

In 12 years at UNC, Roy has had 5 10 loss seasons.

 

[CarolinaBlue1982]

How could UNC faithful look themselves straight in the mirror if they actually have complaints about Williams?

While there have been some ups and downs during his tenure, he has won 2 championships, three final fours and 6 elite eights in 11 seasons.

Not counting this season, at UNC he is winning at a 77.5% clip at UNC, which equals Dean Smith's winning percentage all-time, and would on its own, be ranked as the 15th best all-time. Incidentally his winning percentage at UNC is ahead of Coach K [76.3%] and is 2nd among active coaches in winning percentage [Mark Few is 80.1%, and he has not been to a final four].


Yes, he has had one horrendous season [09-10] and this season seems to be sliding down a slippery slope, but what would anyone have been able to do with Larry Drew as your only "capable" point guard. Take that season out, and Williams is winning at a 79.9% clip, which would put him 7th on the all-time list. Take out his first year also and he is at 81.4% and 4th all-time, just ahead of Wooden. I understand that those seasons are part of his record, but it is interesting to see what names you are talking about in comparison even though there are some who are not satisfied with Williams.


Nobody in basketball is better than him at winning. Sure, Few might be a few ticks ahead on that list, but that guy hasn't won anything big, so you cannot say he has had the same success as Williams. Williams is a winner, bar-none. Who the heck would you want as your coach? Calipari? Pitino? K? who?

Who is a realistic replacement if Coach Williams steps down after this season? Mark Few, Shaka Smart, Jerod Haasse? Former Tar Heels like Scott Cherry, Jeff Lebo, Wes Miller, King Rice, Hubert Davis? Sorry, I like those guys, but would this seasons team be any better with them? Not a chance. Maybe a win here or there, but that's it. Brad Stevens is the only name I can come up with right now that gives me a sense of many years of security.

For those that are unhappy with Williams' results, you need to get your heads out of your butts. You are simply idiotic.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Originally posted by SJung851:

Originally posted by bleeduncblue:

Originally posted by SJung851:

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:
2012 was 4-5 years ago? My math is off.

Ok, I was off by a year or two. I think the point still holds.

After this year, Roy will have as many 30 win seasons as 10 loss seasons (5 of each).

Both numbers are truly remarkable. But I think people would be surprised at the second stat.

Dean Smith had 5 years with 10 or more losses .... in an era when they played far less games.

In 35 years Dean had 5 10 loss seasons.

In 12 years at UNC, Roy has had 5 10 loss seasons.

In 35 years at UNC Dean had 2 national titles ... .in 12 years at UNC Roy has 2 national titles. Next ....

 

[ElizabethtownHeel]

Originally posted by SJung851:

Originally posted by bleeduncblue:

Originally posted by SJung851:

Originally posted by ROYANDDEAN:
2012 was 4-5 years ago? My math is off.

Ok, I was off by a year or two. I think the point still holds.

After this year, Roy will have as many 30 win seasons as 10 loss seasons (5 of each).

Both numbers are truly remarkable. But I think people would be surprised at the second stat.

Dean Smith had 5 years with 10 or more losses .... in an era when they played far less games.

In 35 years Dean had 5 10 loss seasons.

In 12 years at UNC, Roy has had 5 10 loss seasons.


There will never be another Dean ! Roy was never going to do all that Dean Smith did. I am disappointed with the trend over the last 3-4 yrs though.

 

[Heel Gyeah]

Funny, nobody is offering a solution as to his replacement. I know the buck stops there but winning more % of games than K, against tougher OOC and away games, how can anyone complain?

 

[shun1]

Hi ROYANDDEAN. Thank you for showing your SPIRIT and SUPPORT! I see you as true TAR HEEL FAN my fellow poster.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GO TAR HEELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HeelFan58]

Not intended as a put down on Roy , but many of Dean's years everybody else was playing for 2nd against UCLA .

 

[HburgDomer]

There is a lot more parity in today's game and with the ACC adding Syracuse, Louisville and Pittsburgh, today's schedule is a brutal thing......anyway on to Saturday and hopefully a better mood on this board! Let's go Heels!