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How has Hubert done this off season?

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With the commit of Ingram and I expect the reclass decision coming eventually from Cadeau, IMO, Hubert has had so far a much better off season than he had in season, I think he has done really well both high school recruiting as well as portal recruiting. I think I can safely say, the best part of Hubert so far seems to be his ability to recruit guys to UNC.

I think it was crystal clear after the last game, Hubert had to do 1 of 2 things, he either had to totally change the way he seems to want us to play or he needed to radically change the personnel. What I felt we had last season was a team more geared for the running game, the open court finishing, more a Roy style yet we played as a half court team. We had twin towers, with defensive specialist and scoring guards and guys like Puff, Styles, Seth, Dunn that would excel in a more running game approach. Hubert seems to prefer a more spread out offensive half court shooting approach that is hard to double team. Hubert reverted to mostly called sets from the side lines rather than free lance, Roy was push tempo and go in to free lance and called set plays only in specific situations. Because they relied so much on called set plays and per players didn't really work much on free lance if the set plays bogged down we had nothing but some end of the clock hero nonsense.

Great job so far this off season in my opinion Hubert, you seem to have now transformed your roster to the shooters your preferred style needs, that was critical so kudos for that. But in my opinion that was not the most critical aspect Hubert needs to change. The more critical aspect his HIS COACHING decisions in season, the man seems to be hard headed to an absolute fault, I thought Roy was heard headed but Hubert is taking it to a brand new level and I do think he made some very critical mistakes in having guys have to play thru their weakness rather than to their strengths. His personnel decisions, how he used both his starters as well as his bench honestly had me asking far to often, does he know what he is doing? When you position Leaky Black as a go to shooter, I have to ask, when you start 2 centers and have one act like a wing, I have to ask, when you try to play as a deadly jump shooting team with poor jump shooters, sorry but I have to ask, when one of your players goes 5 for 26 in a game and is encouraged to keep shooting, I darn well SHOULD ask ? This board is FULL of coaches, former coaches, wanna be coaches, and very long term rabid Carolina basketball devotees, telling me you didn't ask WTF? LOL

So great so far, did pretty much exactly what I wanted to see this off season but the real questions can not be answered until the next season begins, now you got the kind of horses you seem to need, what can you now do with them? If what you try does not work can you see and act on ways that can work or do you continue to double down on a failing hand, last season looked to me like he doubled down on a losing hand, has he matured to the point (as a head coach) of both realizing that as well as have a plan B in place even if it is not needed? I think just as important will he have the resolve to treat guys in similar ways, in other words not allow his starters to wet the bed, come out not really ready to match the other teams intensity and not worry about being pulled out of the game while a sub makes a single mistake and sits the bench for the next 2 games? Hubert has now shown he can change his roster and still have every solid talent but can Hubert change Hubert, that is the more critical question and we are going to have to wait till next season begins to see.

What do you think?
 
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I would agree. HD upgraded in a lot of areas. Time will tell as we see what kind of chemistry these guys will have together. He brought in 45 pts per game and 21 rebs per game through the portal. Then add in Wilcher, High and potentially Cadeau and we are a really deep team. But that is ALOT of new faces and a lot of people to find playing time for. I like Ingram Cormac and even Withers as a replacement for Leaky. If we plan to keep doing 4 out... then it could be real dangerous to not guard those guys on the wing. Defensively we take a little bit of a hit, but a good defensive strategy is strong offense and making people play from behind is tough on them. Worry a little bit about ball handling should teams press us but it Cadeau comes I am not worried at all. The chemistry thing will work itself out eventually and the people that catch on to the "system" the fastest will get the PT. Gonna be fun to watch. Now it is time for HD to work on himself and the in game coaching aspects of the game. He has a daunting task or rotations and keeping people happy with playing time. I wish him well cuz I really like everyone that is left on the team after the departures. Addition by subtractions I think is quality. Love gone and some SF's that can score are big for us.
 
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First, realize pretty much all of what I now say looking forward INCLUDES Cadeau as reclassing and playing for us next season, current rumors aside.

Adding Cadeau, Ryan and Wilcher to go along with Seth and combined with the loss of Love and moving RJ off the ball makes our back court a NASTY defensive group. Those kids are quick, strong, athletic, smart, and have quick hands as well as a passion to defend. You are talking about guys that bring big time intensity from the opening tip, even if the ball is not dropping for us those kids will defend hard and we didn't see that last season, with any consistency, in our back court unless Seth was in the game. Now at very least one of these big time defenders will be in the game with RJ and even RJ does consistently work even if he is the most talented defender. Can not over state how important it is for our back court to not need all the help they needed last season defensively, forced a ton of switches and that hurt us hard (leaving shooters open to help defend because your mates could not stay with his man). That to go along with now you just can not say we don't have back court depth and you can't make the case that they are not good enough to play so that means, should mean maybe I should say, we going deeper in the bench for our back court, means more fresh back court legs in the game to go against tired opponents, that shows up in the last 5mins of halves.
 
Impressive, I like the mixture of transfers and incoming freshmen. I get the feeling Cadeau will reclassified, and if he plans to stay a couple of years I think it's great to get him here.

I like the professionalism he has displayed, because last seasons debacle could have set us backwards years, but as it is now with recruits we are on par, and above expectations for HD.
 
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Hubert has been very strong in the off season since being hired. Recruiting seems to be something he is good at. I’m much more concerned with Hubert in-season. I wish he would’ve changed up his staff a bit but that doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.
 
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It was a really interesting end of the regular season. Someone asked if they wanted to see this group return next season. I was really surprised that a lot of people wanted everyone back that can be back. I thought it was pretty clear that this group needed to be changed. I was also extremely surprised that "disaster" and "fire Hubert" was going around after the guys transferred. I never thought we lost all that much. I wish we got peak Caleb more consistently here, but that ship clearly sailed. He needs to change the way he plays and both parties needed a fresh start. I went into the offseason pretty open minded to massive changes. I honestly wouldn't have minded if we had an entirely different starting 5. But I'm glad RJ and Bacot returned and those were really the only two that I thought were good building blocks. I don't think they would've been irreplaceable but they're good college basketball players. I wouldn't have minded if we started 3 freshman next year. I don't think we'd be any good, but at least it would be different. Things needed to change.

In terms of last year, I'll maintain we would've sucked no matter what style of offense we played. We just didn't have enough skilled dudes out there. And I don't think playing more possessions and having Caleb have to make decisions in a 75 possession game would've been beneficial. He was SO bad as a freshman having to do that and can anyone say that his decision making improved a lot over 3 years? Last year, I think Hubert had a team where he had to coach every dribble. We played tight games and didn't finish a lot of them. I don't think we have comfortable leads in those close games and win more of them. I don't think we were good enough, nor did the players earn any trust to play faster and more freelance. I actually think playing really structured was the right strategy. The play designs and play calls for players in certain situations left a lot to be desired, but that was an unskilled roster. I don't want an unskilled roster playing freelance, but that's me.

I also think it's a gross exaggeration to say Puff, Styles, Seth, Dunn would've "excelled" in an up-tempo offense. How do you know they wouldn't have completely shit the bed? Why? Because they're athletic? I didn't see enough skill out of them to be convinced that X or Y system is perfect for them.

I felt the biggest offseason need was finding a bunch of guys that didn't need to dribble the crap out of the basketball to impact offense. And I think he found that with Ryan and Withers. I thought the second most important thing was to find a significant offensive upgrade over Leaky. Whether it's Ingram or Ryan who starts at the 3, we upgraded on offense there. Good infusion of skill. Whether we upgraded the bench remains to be seen, but realistically, if our bench stays healthy, it will likely be more productive than Puff was. So availability will equal an upgrade.

Solid A offseason so far. We had major issues. Hubert recognized it and wasn't afraid to make changes. I don't think we're really anymore talented than we were last year, but we're more skilled. Hopefully we can see RJ and Bacot play better because of the skill around them.

One of the lessons from last year... Experience can be absolutely meaningless. Hopefully the experience we have next season will be really meaningful.
 
"I also think it's a gross exaggeration to say Puff, Styles, Seth, Dunn would've "excelled" in an up-tempo offense. How do you know they wouldn't have completely shit the bed?" Back at ya, how do you know they would have shat the bed, considering that our running game was NOT featured last season??? Tell ya what I do know, athletism steps forward in a wide open running game, skill is featured more in half court offenses. Leaky for example, telling me he would not fit the up tempo running game far better than a half court offense that spreads him out as a shooter? LOL

"I felt the biggest offseason need was finding a bunch of guys that didn't need to dribble the crap out of the basketball to impact offense. And I think he found that with Ryan and Withers." So it was Love, Leaky, and Nance that were dribbling the air out of the ball last season (you know, the guys that now replace last years starters) and not the starting PG, well I must not have watched the same games you did? LOL

"We had major issues. Hubert recognized it and wasn't afraid to make changes." What, all you saw that needed changing was the players? LOL I kinda think behind the scenes it was clearly explained to Hubert that major change to this past season results have to happen, to achieve major change major change has to be implemented. Not like Hubert woke up after that ACCT loss and had a epiphany, hey, we need to change, guarantee ya there were some uneasy discussions with the AD as well as some tap dancing with some big time boosters who are not happy at all right now. Hubert does not have the lengths of rope Dean or Roy had, Dean and Roy had that extra rope because they earned it, Hubert has to earn his. Earned some with that NCAA run but that is all used up now, not saying he is in the hot seat today but that darn sure is not cool either.

"One of the lessons from last year... Experience can be absolutely meaningless" Yeah, it was amazing how LITTLE experience the 2 teams that played in this past national title game had, EXPERIENCE is NEVER meaningless!
 
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Back at ya, how do you know they would have shat the bed, considering that our running game was NOT featured last season??? Tell ya what I do know, athletism steps forward in a wide open running game, skill is featured more in half court offenses. Leaky for example, telling me he would not fit the up tempo running game far better than a half court offense that spreads him out as a shooter? LOL
That's fair, I don't know. I typically assume that unskilled dudes will be limited in any kind of style. I don't think Leaky's offensive game fits any system. He hasn't been good whether it was with Roy or Hubert. I think skill works in any system. He individually probably fits an up tempo scheme better than a half court style. But I do not think Caleb and Leaky in an up tempo offense would've made us all that better.

So it was Love, Leaky, and Nance that were dribbling the air out of the ball last season (you know, the guys that now replace last years starters) and not the starting PG, well I must not have watched the same games you did? LOL
Yes, I think a big problem was Caleb dribbling the crap out of the basketball. I didn't mind as much as RJ dribbling it more. He's a better shooter and more reliable in late clock situations. But yes, Caleb's dribbling was a huge problem. More importantly, Caleb was only really effective with the ball in his hands. Maybe I worded my point incorrectly. I think it's important we have guys that can play without the ball.

I don't know what happened behind the scenes.

Yeah, it was amazing how LITTLE experience the 2 teams that played in this past national title game had, EXPERIENCE is NEVER meaningless!
Sweet, I'll find examples when experience is meaningless. Like us last year! And I said experience can be completely meaningless. That UConn core also won 0 NCAA Tournament games going into the tournament this past year. So does that count as experience just because they're older? They had no experience playing beyond the first weekend.
 
Styles would have definitely been better in an uptempo game because his athletic ability would have carried him.

Dunn is going to be pretty good before his career is over regardless of style of play.

Puff, I wanted him back, but he just is not his brother, and the speed of game was not his problem, it was staying healthy, and then we might have seen him gets some real numbers
 
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To answer the OP:

Hubert has done very well this off-season. He is a proven recruiter and seems to ‘hit it off’ very well with the kids he targets.

If Cadeau re-classifies then Hubert’s off season recruiting gets bumped up to “excellent”

Like most, I also hope Hubert uses the off season for self analysis and personal/coaching development to improve his in-game and in-season performance.
 
There are a few things you can look at for how good a coach is doing…
- Recruiting
- Year-To-Year players get better
- Pre-Game adjustments
- In Game adjustments
- Locker-room Credibility

HD gets a A+ recruiting so far… the rest is what matters
 
Like many things he does, it makes sense "on paper". Let's see what happens when it's written into law.
 
There are a few things you can look at for how good a coach is doing…
- Recruiting
- Year-To-Year players get better
- Pre-Game adjustments
- In Game adjustments
- Locker-room Credibility

HD gets a A+ recruiting so far… the rest is what matters
According to Dean Smith recruiting the best players is the most important thing. Might want to look his statements up. He said it time and again.
 
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According to Dean Smith recruiting the best players is the most important thing. Might want to look his statements up. He said it time and again.
When you are perhaps the greatest tactical coach of all time… recruiting would be the most important. I don’t know that Coach could have been better at the other things, he was literally the best all time at the rest of the list. 😂
 
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When you are perhaps the greatest tactical coach of all time… recruiting would be the most important. I don’t know that Coach could have been better at the other things, he was literally the best all time at the rest of the list. 😂
Before I get blasted for talking about Dean. Let me emphasize I cried as a 21 year old man when he retired.

Now let's get real, Dean had tons of talent, and at one time was picking and choosing who he wanted. He should have had more titles, and should have gone back to back when Stack and Sheed came. The gap between Worthy and Montrose would get you fired in today's game.

Hubert gets us to a title game first year with players Roy couldn't consistently win with. Now let's talk about tactical.

I promise that if Roy did not have the talent he did we would be talking about his substitution pattern, and not calling time out. Roy brought in the talent and now he is considered a great coach.

Fast-forward and we have our controversy and we no longer get the pick of the litter, and Roy retires, and I hope we all can agree it was because the game was passing him by.

So which one is more important? Recruits or the rest of those traits. I want it all, but recruits are far and away the most important part of winning.
 
Before I get blasted for talking about Dean. Let me emphasize I cried as a 21 year old man when he retired.

Now let's get real, Dean had tons of talent, and at one time was picking and choosing who he wanted. He should have had more titles, and should have gone back to back when Stack and Sheed came. The gap between Worthy and Montrose would get you fired in today's game.

Hubert gets us to a title game first year with players Roy couldn't consistently win with. Now let's talk about tactical.

I promise that if Roy did not have the talent he did we would be talking about his substitution pattern, and not calling time out. Roy brought in the talent and now he is considered a great coach.

Fast-forward and we have our controversy and we no longer get the pick of the litter, and Roy retires, and I hope we all can agree it was because the game was passing him by.

So which one is more important? Recruits or the rest of those traits. I want it all, but recruits are far and away the most important part of winning.

Not sure what you are trying to say here - Do you not believe Dean’s teams reflected his unmatched tactical brain?
Worthy to montross time gap is because of an injury to Kenny Smith (same as 2012 IMHO wins title with healthy Marshall)
Montross is a great example of tactics, on paper no way 1993 should beat Fab 5. Clearly the Fab 5 were more talented. But tactically and recruit wise we had a team that fit together perfectly and won a championship. Coach got great players, but also got culture-fit players and used them to great success with his tactics. I also agree if Phelps doesn’t get hurt that 1994 team goes back to back.

I think recruiting is VERY important, especially in this era where the current generation is all momentum focused in that area. The “team up with me, AAU” mindset is rampant. So we definitely agree… but as Coach Ratface and Calipretty have proven, recruits only take you so far — you have to have tactics.

HD made a brilliant adjustment during our run and ran a specific offense all the way to the championship. Teams scouted it and blew it up this year and we had no backup plan/didn’t have the players/basketball iq to adjust.

I am hoping we have moves AND countermoves on offense/defense this year. But typically some of that is learned by coaches thru experience. I am hopeful that HD can learn and grow as a coach and develop tactical depth. But that will be the legacy question because clearly he is GREAT at recruiting.
 
I'm actually taking to task just how much of a tactical genius Dean really was. You don't have to be a genius to hold the ball, and let Phil Ford dribble.

His first chip had Jordan, Perkins, and Worthy. Now that is talented recruiting, and we still almost lost in the championship game.

The Montrosse, Phelps, and Reece team was a number one recruiting class, and they won a natty off of talent.

I should have been clearer in my post, but Dean in one of his documentaries says, "after I won a championship I wasn't a better coach". I took that as meaning he just had better players
 
I'm actually taking to task just how much of a tactical genius Dean really was. You don't have to be a genius to hold the ball, and let Phil Ford dribble.

His first chip had Jordan, Perkins, and Worthy. Now that is talented recruiting, and we still almost lost in the championship game.

The Montrosse, Phelps, and Reece team was a number one recruiting class, and they won a natty off of talent.

I should have been clearer in my post, but Dean in one of his documentaries says, "after I won a championship I wasn't a better coach". I took that as meaning he just had better players
Dean did NOT like the hype of a coach being great just because he won a natty. Dean was saying that he was the same coach he had always been, he didn't change just because he won it all. One thing that was a very serious thing for Dean, he demanded from his players, his staff, and himself that achieving a goal should be expected. That when you achieved it act as if that was always supposed to happen, act as if you expect to be there, not like you are shocked to be there. Dean didn't like those celebratory gestures players began making running back down court after they made a shot. He would very clearly tell a kid, act like that wasn't the first basket you ever scored in your life, if you need to celebrate then celebrate the guy that put you in position to makes that shot, point to the passer so everyone knows what he did!
 
I'm actually taking to task just how much of a tactical genius Dean really was. You don't have to be a genius to hold the ball, and let Phil Ford dribble.

His first chip had Jordan, Perkins, and Worthy. Now that is talented recruiting, and we still almost lost in the championship game.

The Montrosse, Phelps, and Reece team was a number one recruiting class, and they won a natty off of talent.

I should have been clearer in my post, but Dean in one of his documentaries says, "after I won a championship I wasn't a better coach". I took that as meaning he just had better players
Who did the Worthy team "almost lose to"? Was it a bunch of 3 star recruits coached by a no name coach, or was it a bunch of future NBA players coached by a HOF coach? How about the Montross team? They were playing a pretty good Michigan team if my memory is correct. As for the 4 corner offense, did you ever see it being orchestrated. It was so effective that the rules were changed basically because of it. There were too many innovations that DES came up with to list here, but in my opinion he was absolutely a genius! His most genius "trait" may have been his handling of personal relationships developed that lasted a lifetime.
 
I don’t know enough about the X’s and O’s to make comment on Dean’s coaching, but it seems to me he wasn’t just about winning; from all I’ve read he coached the game, the people, the team, the staff… all to being their best.

It’s an holistic, process-and-culture based methodology which you now see in the most successful professional teams.

To me, that was Dean’s genius, he created ‘the Carolina Way’ and that includes all the little things like pointing to the passer, etc. he did this well before it’s time.

I do believe that dean’s methodology required talent, but his methodology also made the most of that talent and the people involved.
 
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