How Obama and $RC Ran the DEM Party Into the Ground...
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Do you mean her book or this article? The article doesn't even begin to address why the Dems lost other than saying that people were not enthusiastic about having HC as the Dem nominee. But who didn't know that?
If you mean the book then I might have to check it out.
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The article does address the loss in several respects: the hoarding of cash by the $RC campaign that never made it to the state and local levels which killed many down-ballot candidates; the rigging of the nomination process in favor of $RC at the expense of everyone else, but especially Bernie; and, the lack of enthusiasm for $RC, especially in key battleground states. I plan on getting the book, it may go into more detail than the article. I agree with you that it is really only a start at explaining why DEMs got whacked in 2016...
Funny thing is, she was part of it, throwing Hill debate questions.
Bernie got burned and I don’t really care for 2 reasons:
1. It back fired on the Dems and they only have themselves to blame. They got overconfident in Hilary and a bit lazy. Getting Trump should force them to reevaluate things.
2. As much as I dislike Trump, he will be a much better president than Bernie. I’m pretty Center and things moved just a bit to the left for my taste under Obama. I still think he was a great president who tackled a lot of issues. But many of the social issues I care about have been addressed. Bernie would have slammed the pedal down and taken us way too far left.
Trump is helping to swing the pendulum back and he is proving to be the necessary colonic this country needs. We will be ready for something new in 2020. Hopefully at that point, Dems and Pubs have gotten their shit together and present sensible candidates
1. It back fired on the Dems and they only have themselves to blame. They got overconfident in Hilary and a bit lazy. Getting Trump should force them to reevaluate things.
2. As much as I dislike Trump, he will be a much better president than Bernie. I’m pretty Center and things moved just a bit to the left for my taste under Obama. I still think he was a great president who tackled a lot of issues. But many of the social issues I care about have been addressed. Bernie would have slammed the pedal down and taken us way too far left.
Trump is helping to swing the pendulum back and he is proving to be the necessary colonic this country needs. We will be ready for something new in 2020. Hopefully at that point, Dems and Pubs have gotten their shit together and present sensible candidates
The thing I don't really get about the outrage on the whole DNC rigging it for Hillary thing is that, before deciding to run for President, Bernie was an independent. He caucused with the Democrats, but he didn't raise money for them, or necessarily advocate for their positions exclusively. Why would he think that they should do anything to help him? He wasn't a Democrat historically, and switched back to Independent immediately after not getting the nomination. He's a political opportunist attention whore who is pushing an ideology that has failed miserably in every application.
He was smart enough to know that the only way to get the nomination was to run as a democrat. Same thing with Trump. He doesn't fit the traditional definition of a republican, but he knew he could only get the nomination on the GOP ticket. They are actually similar in a lot of ways. Two sides of the same coin.
That’s a good poast. I said many of the same things when explaining my rationale for voting for Trump. The liberal train was running amok and out of control. Hillary or Bernie would have continued in that same direction and then eventually stopping it or rerouting it would ha e been very tough. I recognize that Trump might end up being a disaster, but it’s at least a disaster in a different direction. Fixable in 2020 if, as you say, the two major parties get their shit together.
For a long time Social issues were important to me, but we’ve really run out of those. Women’s rights and trannies are just window dressing at this point. Women still have a little ways to go, but in general, the playing field is pretty even. Women from the 20’s would slap a lot of whiny women today.
This is some of why I like what I’ve heard from Gavin Newsome. He doesn’t want to get entangled in identity politics and understands the Dems are in dire straits. Democrats can help out the disenfranchised and the working class as well. They’re not mutually exclusive.
This is a good point too. While I don’t think a candidate should run the dnc, I do recognize that Bernie didn’t have any right to those funds.
He was a good soldier though. I guess his hate for Trump was more than for Hilary.
I wonder what would have happened it Joe Biden ran?
I’m sure something will come up to make you loathe me again
The Federal Election Commission must immediately launch an investigation. So, too, must the Department of Justice and the FBI. It appears that Clinton may well have violated several laws which could constitute serious crimes.
First, federal law sets strict limits on campaign contributions. Financial records must now be subpoenaed to determine whether these laws were broken. Given Clinton’s past record of shady transactions such as the Whitewater land deal and her sale of cattle futures, there is a strong chance that a document trail will lead investigators to multiple violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act.
Second, if Brazile’s account of Clinton’s artifice is true, it is likely that campaign finance reporting laws were broken under the same Act. Hiding campaign money through false or misleading campaign reports is illegal. In egregious cases it is a crime, not just a civil penalty.
Finally, the funneling of campaign funds from one source to another smacks of money laundering. Any transaction that seeks to conceal or disguise proceeds of illegal activity constitutes money laundering. So, if it can be shown that Clinton violated campaign contribution limits or reporting requirements, then the channeling of the proceeds from one source to another would be the “laundering” of it.
First, federal law sets strict limits on campaign contributions. Financial records must now be subpoenaed to determine whether these laws were broken. Given Clinton’s past record of shady transactions such as the Whitewater land deal and her sale of cattle futures, there is a strong chance that a document trail will lead investigators to multiple violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act.
Second, if Brazile’s account of Clinton’s artifice is true, it is likely that campaign finance reporting laws were broken under the same Act. Hiding campaign money through false or misleading campaign reports is illegal. In egregious cases it is a crime, not just a civil penalty.
Finally, the funneling of campaign funds from one source to another smacks of money laundering. Any transaction that seeks to conceal or disguise proceeds of illegal activity constitutes money laundering. So, if it can be shown that Clinton violated campaign contribution limits or reporting requirements, then the channeling of the proceeds from one source to another would be the “laundering” of it.
Can you IMAGINE this place with Hillary making the Oval Office decisions??? GOOOOOD LORD.
Trump is a loud mouthed insecure tool much of the time but he's nowhere near as crooked and deceitful as the Clinton's.
Now as excuse me as I continue counting my Trump economy profits
Trump is a loud mouthed insecure tool much of the time but he's nowhere near as crooked and deceitful as the Clinton's.
Now as excuse me as I continue counting my Trump economy profits
