Hubert Davis Makes Cadeau A Priority During Official Visit
Elliot Cadeau took his official visit to North Carolina over the weekend then recapped it with us Monday night.
Hubert Davis Makes Cadeau A Priority During Official Visit
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I don't see it as a sales pitch, but even if that's what it is, this isn't the only place you get sales pitches. They are everywhere with everything. We run a ton of free content on this site, but without premium, we wouldn't exist.
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Back to the topic, but it seems he enjoyed his visit, complimentary of coach and staff. All positive.
Here's a suggestion.
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Alternatively, make half (or a meaningful chunk) of the article free for a period. When I click on these paid links I get virtually no info. Which means there's nothing to make me feel like I'm missing anything I care about.
If you really want to entice us to sign up, tease us better.
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My business is also the free board, which a lot of sites don't have. Asking me/us to leave the free board alone is quite brazen given that is OUR site, and I have made the decision to keep the free boards here when most other sites have eliminated theirs.
We run mostly free content, but we must have some premium in order to actually have a business. There would be no site without premium subscribers.
Not sure why it bothers you so much. Nobody is asking you to subscribe, we are simply posting a lot of our content on the free boards now because many people don't go to the front page, they go right to the boards. This way, they can see what we are posting on the site.
Thank you for your reply. Please understand I am not asking you to leave or anyone else for that matter. I have no right to do that and I have always appreciated throughout the years your support of the free board which has allowed many folks an opportunity to share in the experience of the board. I am so grateful for keeping the free board going, feeling bad for those sites that don't offer the free experience. Perhaps I was not clear and in reading my post I can clearly see why you got your impressions. For that I apologize. I merely was trying to have your posts on the free site either have some content that is informative and entices us to purchase the premium if we are so inclined. But most of the posts are only headlines and not informative at all. What Would Jesus Do had an interesting suggestion above. I am not necessarily suggesting that is what should be done, but it is a thought and would make your posts much more meaningful. I would even suggest that more folks might find their way onto the premium board if they saw what you had to offer. Heck, maybe even I! Perhaps you could consolidate your posts into a single dedicated area or thread. I don't have any answers and as you said, this is your site and you should run it as you see fit. I merely was trying to improve the experience of all here. I do appreciate your response and I don't disagree with your point of view. Just trying to help make the site as good as it can be. Thanks for hopefully understanding my point of view and thanks for maintaining the site and supporting the Heels.
Great talk! Probably could.have been an email exchange though!
Forgot.the OP so:
Who thinks ZH will join the Family?
Who thinks J Washington will be well enough for significant PT?
Will.Hubs willing to play a deep bench...should he?
Are Trimble, Nickel, Trez, or Dunn ready for Prime Time?
Can we really make a run toward Redemption?
Inquiring minds want to know!!!!
Forgot.the OP so:
Who thinks ZH will join the Family?
Who thinks J Washington will be well enough for significant PT?
Will.Hubs willing to play a deep bench...should he?
Are Trimble, Nickel, Trez, or Dunn ready for Prime Time?
Can we really make a run toward Redemption?
Inquiring minds want to know!!!!
Hey! Hope you and your Family are doing great! I do think we get ZH. I think Jalen will be healthy enough to make an impact. But with the obvious time off, rust, jump up in overall talent I think he gets brought along very slowly. His confidence level will determine a lot. I do think Hubert will factor in a much bigger rotation. This Teams talent is much greater than last years. This year Coach Davis has a choice. The biggest jump I think that this team will make is on defense and offensive efficiency. Creating turnovers to create easier baskets. We will be a lot more aggressive on defense this year because we have the overall talent in order to do so. I just want us to stop with the lazy passing on the perimeter where we tend to give other teams so many easy baskets. I saw that again at late night and of course you take that with a grain of salt but we have to be better fundamentally and practicing that daily. I think that Trimble, Puff, Dunn, Washington and Nickel will be ready to come in and consistently make a difference without a big drop off. Styles scares me because he is forcing outside shots and he is very loose with the ball. Styles is a scorer not a shooter. He wants to prove himself so bad for PT that I think he is not letting the game come to him. That’s what Puff is all about. He lets the game come to him while doing all of the little and basic fundamentals. Moving without the ball, setting legal screens, boxing out and playing smart. If Styles can do that then it will help take our bench to another level. Dunn seems so confident right now and I hope it translates to games. I think that it will. With Nickel I’m just concerned about him moving his feet and not reaching on defense. Practice is going to make everyone much better due to the talent level increase. My only hope is that they don’t kill themselves in the process and get injured (Seth! Lol). RJ seems to have taken his game to a whole other level. He has looked amazing thus far. Without being bias we are the best Team in the country on paper but as we all know it just takes one bad night and any other teams great night to end everyone’s hopes. St. Peter’s reminded the NCAA about that last year. If we are healthy and focused and we turn it up considerably during tournament time like the 09 Team did we will win it.
Just something to consider Andrew, how about if you had the premium articles behind the pay wall for a period of time, maybe 2 weeks, and then open them up for the free side? That way folks get to see your premium articles but to get it free they have to wait to the point they already know. But they would be able to see that they could get good stuff that would be way better if they could have got it fresh.
Posters, not sure we really appreciate what Andrew does for this site, this site that paid subscribers are extremely important to. This morning, thought I would slum it a little bit and go to the dukie board to see what they thought of our football game yesterday, I could not find a free football board there, in fact didn't even see a premy football board there. Here we have dedicated FREE basketball and football boards in addition to the out of bounds free for all board. I just want folks to realize that someone has to pay for this site to operate and for the staff here to be able to provide us with good content, free or pay walled, it isn't cheap, for example, how many in addition to Andrew were at the Miami game, this staff travels multiple people to all away games, not cheap.
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My family is doing really well and all the ones still in the will, are eagerly awaiting the season! Hope your family is happy and healthy too! Thanks for the thorough write up. I agree with it completely, but I am less worried about Trez! I think the things he adds, like emotion, athleticism, rebounding, D, energy, and some timely scoring will far outweigh the occasional lapse in handles or shot selection! I also thin he will settle down and be able to channel that anxiety to increased performance. Speaking of settling down, I love how calm and effective McKoy has looked. He might be a wild card that takes our depth to crazy levels!
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I agree with everything AJ and D have said, I just love talking about the Heels! I really appreciate what this site provides!
My family is doing really well and all the ones still in the will, are eagerly awaiting the season! Hope your family is happy and healthy too! Thanks for the thorough write up. I agree with it completely, but I am less worried about Trez! I think the things he adds, like emotion, athleticism, rebounding, D, energy, and some timely scoring will far outweigh the occasional lapse in handles or shot selection! I also thin he will settle down and be able to channel that anxiety to increased performance. Speaking of settling down, I love how calm and effective McKoy has looked. He might be a wild card that takes our depth to crazy levels!
To clarify:
I agree with everything AJ and D have said, I just love talking about the Heels! I really appreciate what this site provides!
Yeah, High was a done deal about 10mins after he stepped on campus (he was over 90% to us even before he visited, it is his best offer).
The blue white game was great IMO because of what I saw from 4 guys. Demarco showed me he belongs, kids showed some nice jump shooting and he just looked confident out there. Beau Maye, really, do we actually have yet another Maye in the fold that is under estimated but comes as a serious player? Beau shot the ball really well but he set really solid screens, just looked like a player more than blue steel. Will Shaver, not really athletic but has a big body and seems to work hard out there. He is a guy I think we could go to for 3-5min stretches to give bacot a blow. And then there is, my guy...
Tyler freakin Nickel ! LOL I think maybe folks got a quick glimpse of why I was so high on him in the recruiting process and why I wanted him much more than the kid that committed to Villinova. I just love the fact the kid is a 6'8" wing that can swing down to the 4 if needed because he is not a string bean, has a solid body. I didn't care about the level of comp he played in high school, if you can shoot it you can shoot it no matter who you are going against.
Nickel is 6'7" and he's been playing some SG in practice last week. Don't think you'll be seeing him play the 4 anytime soon. He's closer to Reggie Bullock than he is to Brady Manek.
Dunn's remarkable improvement from last year + Shaver showing a steep learning curve between the Exhibition and the Scrimmage + Trez showing increased confidence + McKoy showing great progress & much less anxiety + Nickel learning to channel his Dog mentality & continuing to grow + Leaky becoming a problem on both ends + Bacot transforming his body + RJ becoming a beast + Caleb showing leadership and vastly improved decision making = Great Coaches and great things to come!
GDTBATH!
GDTBATH!
Not really going to argue over a inch other than say I did watch a pod cast interview with him a while back where he said he was a legit 6'8". Let me see now, 6'8" (or if you must 6'7") weighting in around 220 and that is not a guy you see playing the 4? Yeah, OK, we will not be agreeing on Nickel being a 2, did you have Luke Maye (6'8" 225lbs when he got to UNC) as a 2 as well? LOL Nickel's best fit position is at the 3 but yes, he can and is likely to develop in to a guy that can go at the 3 or 4. That is my opinion, believe what you want...
I believe what I saw in practice. Dunn playing the 2 with the white team, Nickel playing the 2 on the blue team.
Your Luke Maye comparison is way off. Luke played the post all through high school. As a sophomore he battled and outplayed a senior Kennedy Meeks in the playoffs. There was never any question that Luke was a big man.
If you find yourself simply trying to label players based on their height, you're making a big mistake. Skill set is a much bigger determining factor when it comes to position. Right now Nickel is closer to Reggie Bullock in skill set (a tall wing who never slid down to the 4) than many of those past wings we've seen occasionally play the 4 when Roy went small (Danny, Harrison, Cam, PJ, Noel, Terry.)
Based on practice here is PF depth chart this year including wings who will play some PF: Nance, Puff, Styles, McKoy, Leaky, Washington, Maye; with the caveat that a healthy Washington may move closer to the top of that rotation in time. Nickel isn't even getting practice at the spot. He's being groomed to be a SG/SF by the staff.
I agree that he's unlikely to play the 2, but he definitely showed more quickness than I was expecting. And some decent decision-making on a couple of plays, as well.
If one of our SFs were asked to slide to SG, I'd expect it to be Puff. He's the only guy in the roster who lost weight since last year. Which I took to be him saying "I don't want to play PF."
Leaky could also play SG, but my first choice among our SFs would be Puff.
The only reason for any of them to play SG would be fouls, injuries or a decision to go really big.
We're going to be one of the tallest teams in the nation next year. Duke is another really tall team. Who else is that big?
And that is very good news. Reggie was great.
Hampered by injury as a frosh; good as a soph playing SG with Barnes at SF; outstanding as a junior.
Luke Maye comparison is way off? BOTH very similar size and frame, both very good jump shooters, NIETHER will be taking the floor as 2 guards! I could care less where Hubert had him play in practice, could care less if Nickel was called on to play the 2 in a scout game, where he plays in a real game is not going to be at the 2 and we all know that.
I quote "Based on practice here is PF depth chart this year including wings who will play some PF: Nance, Puff, Styles, McKoy, Leaky, Washington, Maye; with the caveat that a healthy Washington may move closer to the top of that rotation in time. Nickel isn't even getting practice at the spot"... LOL Well I wonder why he is not practicing right now at the 4, think maybe it may have something to do with the experience, talent, and fits we have at the 4 with "Nance, Puff, Styles, McKoy, Leaky, Washington, Maye"? LOL It is simply a numbers game and Nickel has fewer numbers at the 2 spot so Hubert plugs him in there for a practice run. Hubert is preparing this team for this season and truth just is Nickel is not expected to be much a factor this season and don't ask me why when you just listed off the talent we have to plays at the 3 and 4 spots.
You say and I quote " There was never any question that Luke was a big man"... Luke came to UNC as a 6-7-8" 220lbs guy, Nickel comes to UNC as a 6'7-8" 220lbs guy... Yet Luke was never going to be anything but a big man and you are telling me Nickel is a 2 guard? How can I take that seriously? You say Nickel is more Reggie Bullok? Reggie came to UNC as a 6'7" 205lbs wing that showed he could play up at the 2. Got solid PT at the 2 because Dexter I think it was got hurt and was done for the season, we needed Bullock to play and Barnes was our wing, made sense to put Bullock at the 2.
Hubert is bringing in players that are multi dimensional, guys that can at least hold their own at positions that they may not fit best. You run a guy like Nickel at the 2 in practice because at some point he is going to have to switch off defensively on to a 2 and needs the experience of having to guard them. The main challenge Nickel has is a concern about his ability to keep up with a lot of the 3s in todays game, does he have or can he develop the foot speed and quickness to keep up with a lot of these wings and you selling him as a 2 guard??? I am really not trying to be a jerk by wording this reply how I have but I just could not disagree more, honestly shocked that it would be a serious thought? It strikes me EXACTLY as if someone would suggest Jalen Washington will be a back up PG for us.
Reggie was also a lock down defender which made the decision to start him at the 2 (we all know how Roy was about defending being the best way to get PT) when Dex went down, Barnes dominated the minutes at the 3 and we had to get Reggie on the floor (PJ was only a freshman back then and Lmac, was well...Lmac).
It’s pretty obvious that DC is pretty close to the program. You know, other people have information that are not opinions & based on factual information. It’s ok to give credit to others who may be more in the know, rather than argue with them.
Frankly, it doesn't matter to me who the DaveChapel poster is, he could be Roy Williams for all I care if I do not agree with him I am not going to agree with him. I am taught and I learn from other people but I think for myself, I do not blindly follow, only man I will blindly follow has not walk this Earth for over 2,000 years.
Look 2DD, if you wish to believe Tyler Nickel is a 2 guard, more power to you, but I am not buying that at all. If the DaveChapell poster wants to talk with me off line. no problem at all, IM me, what ever means he wishes and I will be glad to civilly discuss it with him and maybe we can find some area of agreement. All I know about that poster is that I do not know who he is, I don't really care who he is (not meant in a mean spirited way), that we do not agree on a point and I am strong in my disagreement.
I would add, you refer to the poster as if he added facts, what facts? He watched Nickel in a couple practices, saw him running at the 2 spot and decided he was going to be a 2 guard at UNC? I am not questioning what he saw, I question his projection of where the kid will play. But if we want to talk in terms of fact, DC stated that Nickel is more similar to Bullock rather than Luke (DC's OPINION). I added the fact that Bullock was 6'7" 205lbs coming to UNC (actually may have weighted less because the 205 weight was in his soph season). Luke Maye came to UNC as a 6'7-8" 220lbs player known to be able to jump shoot, ranked what low 3 star or so? Nickel comes to UNC as a 6'7-8" 220lbs player also known as a guy that can shoot. Physically, Luke Maye is much more similar to Nickel than Bullock was, that is not opinion, that is actually FACT. So who again is it that has brought fact in to the discussion and who is going with opinion? Where the kid will play, I have my very strong opinion, DC says he is a 2, NO one is right because no one not even Hubert knows where Nickel will play at this point. So if no one knows then all of it has to be opinion on the projection of where he plays. Until opinion is proven out by facts that can not be disputed, no one can be absolutely right or wrong no matter how close to the program they may be. IN what way am I incorrect?
Add 1 more item to this, yes, we have had UNC players play in positions that they just were not well suited for, which would be the case if Nickel plays any at the 2. PJ was moved from the bench to the power forward starting spot, John Henson tried to be a wing, and Leaky Black was tried at the point. Situations forced most of that and we do have a situation now where we have a LOT of talent at the 3 and 4 spots and you have to plug someone in spots for practice. But I am just not buying that UNC, that Hubert, it trying to develop Nickel in to a 2 guard, not buying that at all.
If Nickel plays the 2, he’ll get torched defensively. I’m curious to see if he can even guard college 3s. He’s way closer to a 3/4 than he is to a 3/2.
Tell you what, the next time an assistant coach invites you to watch practice, and you get first hand knowledge of how the staff is developing Nickel, we can resume this conversation. Until then, I'm going remain confident that what I've seen and what I've been told is accurate. I'm not interested in getting into an argument over this. I'm stoked the season is right around the corner, and this thread was supposed to be about Cadeau.
BTW Hubert just visited Cadeau today.
FIFY.
I can see him already being a Raider darling with people begging for him to get minutes the first time Leaky goes 2-6 from the field. He's no where near ready defensively to get major minutes against big time players.
Oh well thank you for not asking the guy who runs the site to leave. Big of you.
A. I never said I thought Nickel was a 2 guard, not sure how you misconstrued that.
B. Chapelle said he watched him playing the 2 on the Blue team in practice, he never said he "decided" (your words) he was going to be a 2 at UNC.
C. Luke Maye was always a "Big", played a stretch 4 and some at the 5. Nickel is a 3 and will never be a Big, that's the difference. They may be the same height and weight, but that has nothing to do with the position they play. Shaq and Durant are both 7' or thereabouts, not even close to the same player. For the record, I don't think Nickel will ever play the 2 at UNC but I'd love to be wrong, that would give us an extremely big lineup.
D. All I'm saying is, DC has been at practice and has seen what is going on with his own 2 eyes, that's not opinion. For me, that carries much more weight than someone who is forming their own opinion without having seen anything in person.
E. No need to be on edge, I'm not attacking you or anyone, just pointing out that an opinion other than yours might also have merit, and I believe it does.
F. Not sure if you can, but I'll agree to disagree and move on.
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Thanks... good to get back on to discussing Cadeau.
I've seen neither him or Boogie Fland play, but there were a lot of people high on Cadeau and it seems Hubert is too!
'24 is looking like a big, important class... it'd be nice to lock in another couple of players early.
Are Cadeau and Fland mutually exclusive or could they play together? I guess the backcourt would be a bit crowded, but I simply love having interchangeable lead guards so we can speed up the transition from rebounding to fast breaking! I want to get to the point that they decide 1 or 2 based on who is closer to the defensive rebounder! I love the situation we have now where both starters could be the lead and do well! I also have trouble deciding which I like better because they both seem to be willing defenders as well and both think team win first and individual stats second!
I think having the success we've had with Love and RJ shows that it can be done. But neither of those guys are going to commit to us if the other one is already on board. That's my feeling. And like you said, Wilcher and Seth will demand playing time. And Dunn will still be here.
Yeah, to me, this is the reason we won't get both. When we got Love/RJ in the same class we had crap coming back so they knew they'd both start right away. I think Seth/Wilcher will be starting over both Fland and Cadaeu even if they both commit.
But something to note - they'll likely be in different classes. Cadeau is all but guaranteed to move to 2023 this spring and Hubert knows this. Even in that case, the log jam still exists in 2024 with Wilcher and Seth as sophomores and juniors.
Sometimes I can't tell who is SG and who is SF.
UNC has been known to play 2 SFs together. Since Reggie was mentioned, he is an example of 2 such instances: when he and Harrison were on the floor together and when he and PJ were on the floor together.
And what would you call it with McCants and Manuel on the floor together? Two SGs? Two SFs? One of each?
While I don't expect to see a whole lot of Nickel this season, I won't be shocked if we see him and Puff on the floor at the same time. Both seem too big at first blush to play SG, but if they are as quick as they seem and can shoot as well as we hope they will, then why not?
