I am 0-2 But I still feel like a winner

[Spaceytoyz]

Panthers Lose the Super Bowl and Heels Lose the Championship in 60 day span....
Panthers MVP of the league, Coach of the Year , 22 of the last 25 games , three straight division champions. 10 pro bowlers, 14-0 at one point..

Heels ACC regular and Tourney champs, Brice All American, final Four. Final Game....

Chance of me going 0-3 are slim I am a Hornets Fan , I will take a first round series win all day on that one..

 

[TarHeelNation11]

The football team was in the ACC Championship game as well. If that does anything for you.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

The football team was in the ACC Championship game as well. If that does anything for you.

Definitely more encouraging and easy to get behind than a team who's leader doesn't have the stones to sit through a press conference after his team loses the super bowl.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Definitely more encouraging and easy to get behind than a team who's leader doesn't have the stones to sit through a press conference after his team loses the super bowl.

Oh no doubt. I'm sure the Gridiron Heels' conference championship run was simply an oversight by the OP.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

I really was starting the thread based on losing the final Championship games which in the College football case would have been Clemson which I am not a fan of.... The Heels season was great and an improvement also ..

 

[TarHeelMark]

Panthers Lose the Super Bowl and Heels Lose the Championship in 60 day span....
Panthers MVP of the league, Coach of the Year , 22 of the last 25 games , three straight division champions. 10 pro bowlers, 14-0 at one point..

Heels ACC regular and Tourney champs, Brice All American, final Four. Final Game....

Chance of me going 0-3 are slim I am a Hornets Fan , I will take a first round series win all day on that one..

Yep... fun seasons, but they didn't end the way I'd hope. Same for the Heels football in ACCCG. But very hopeful for all next year.

I don't really keep up with the NBA, but I might try to catch the Hornets in the playoffs. Good luck to them.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

I am a season ticket holder For The Panther and Hornets, impossible to make all NBA games but I have incredible seats so I get to around half and sell half, go to all Panther games..

 

[thaUNCshow]

Definitely more encouraging and easy to get behind than a team who's leader doesn't have the stones to sit through a press conference after his team loses the super bowl.

I knew Cam had established himself as the best player in the league once people had nothing to criticize him for as a player and instead had to nitpick things about his personality as some sort of validation for being dumb enough to proclaim him a bust coming out of college

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I knew Cam had established himself as the best player in the league once people had nothing to criticize him for as a player and instead had to nitpick things about his personality as some sort of validation for being dumb enough to proclaim him a bust coming out of college

Oh he's an outstanding player. Was the best in the league this year for sure. Will that last beyond this year? Doubtful IMO, but if it does, I wouldn't be stunned. Anyone who said he's a bust coming out of college needs to eat crow though, definitely can't be considered a bust even if he does nothing else from here on out. Was a baller this year, for sure.

All that said, it was poetic justice that he gallivanted around with his cheesy smile doing stupid dabs all year long doing work in regular season games but absolutely sucked when it actually mattered and lost the super bowl for his team, and couldn't even be a man in the press conference and had to sulk away with his tail between his legs cuz he lost. Boo hoo, what a baby.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

It mattered during the NFC Playoffs and Championship game? Does Roy Williams suck because he lost the last game when it counted?

 

[TarHeelNation11]

It mattered during the NFC Playoffs and Championship game? Does Roy Williams suck because he lost the last game when it counted?

You're conflating things.

Cam acted like an immature kid whose mom refused to buy him a toy at Toys 'r Us. That's just a fact. I actually really like watching the dude play, but you can't act like that in a post-Super Bowl press conference. And don't forget about him failing to go after a loose ball during the second half. Take off your Panthers glasses for a second. Reverse the score of the Super Bowl and say the Broncos had lost and that Peyton had played particularly terrible. Do you think he'd ever pull a stunt like Cam did in the post-game presser? Nope. He'd sit up there like Marcus Paige and answer every last question as thoughtfully and professionally as he could.

It's easy to act right when you're winning and everything is going your way. It's a whole other thing to act right when you lose on the biggest stage. Cam has some character building to do.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

It mattered during the NFC Playoffs and Championship game?

Do they hang banners for that stuff? Actually wait, it's the Panthers so they probably do .

ETA: speaking of banners, looks like the Panthers will be in attendance first game of the year when the Broncos hang theirs. Ouch.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

How did your teams do this year? Ouch.... Chances are Probably got their asses Kicked by the Panthers

 

[Spaceytoyz]

If you are Cam Haters the next 5-10 years are going to be very tough on you... MVP

 

[TarHeelNation11]

How did your teams do this year? Ouch.... Chances are Probably got their asses Kicked by the Panthers

They did just as well as yours -- didn't win the Super Bowl.

Changet the subject all you want but Cam showed his ass on the biggest of stages and acted like a petulant child. It was embarrassing for himself and the whole organization. And again, I'm a big fan of Cam.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

If you are Cam Haters the next 5-10 years are going to be very tough on you... MVP

Yikes. It's like arguing with a brick wall.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

How did your teams do this year? Ouch.... Chances are Probably got their asses Kicked by the Panthers

Lol. What if I was a broncos fan? They whooped that azz.

I'm not a Broncos fan, and my team didn't play the panthers this year. But they are the only other team to beat those bozos in a Super Bowl.

 

[Archer2]

Long time Giants fan, Panthers fan since their franchise was formed. Only one team had a better year than the Panthers.

I've never been a big Cam Newton fan but he had an MVP type season. I was disappointed in his play in the SB and in his reaction afterwards. Hopefully the slice of humble pie he received will do him good and they can return the the SB this year.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

They did just as well as yours -- didn't win the Super Bowl.

Changet the subject all you want but Cam showed his ass on the biggest of stages and acted like a petulant child. It was embarrassing for himself and the whole organization. And again, I'm a big fan of Cam.

That makes no sense NC State did not have as good of a season as UNC because the Heels didnt win it all?

 

[Spaceytoyz]

I didnt start the thread to defend Cam

Rothlisberger raped a girl
Brady and Pats caught Cheating
Manziel is an idiot
Accusations against Manning at Tennessee
And Cams pouts when he loses
UNC Sanctions? Miami Syracuse Louisville
is it a huge deal or is really the only thing left to attack him for?

He had a great year , he has already been to 3 pro bowls and won rookie of the year and 3 straight division titles a super bowl appearance , 2 national Championships at two different levels and a Heisman., when he cleans up the childish behavior which will come with age and experience will it be something else?

He has won twice as many playoff games as the Dallas Cowboys have in 20 years

 

[Spaceytoyz]

Yikes. It's like arguing with a brick wall.

I am not arguing your points they are valid, I am just making mine also

 

[thaUNCshow]

You're conflating things.

Cam acted like an immature kid whose mom refused to buy him a toy at Toys 'r Us. That's just a fact. I actually really like watching the dude play, but you can't act like that in a post-Super Bowl press conference. And don't forget about him failing to go after a loose ball during the second half. Take off your Panthers glasses for a second. Reverse the score of the Super Bowl and say the Broncos had lost and that Peyton had played particularly terrible. Do you think he'd ever pull a stunt like Cam did in the post-game presser? Nope. He'd sit up there like Marcus Paige and answer every last question as thoughtfully and professionally as he could.

It's easy to act right when you're winning and everything is going your way. It's a whole other thing to act right when you lose on the biggest stage. Cam has some character building to do.

Id guess if the roles were reversed Peyton probably would have walked off the field before the game was even over and not shaken hands, considering that's exactly what he did when he lost to the Saints in the Super Bowl. Did you forget about that?

I've never seen an athlete get as much heat as Cam when the only things he's ever done wrong are buy a stolen laptop and be in a bad mood during a press conference.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

He surely does not get the Pass that Brady and Peyton have been able to get throughout the years, Brady for one, is the worst for sportsmanship I have seen i the last 15 years... A lot of the Backlash is because he is cocky and Black IMO...

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

He surely does not get the Pass that Brady and Peyton have been able to get throughout the years, Brady for one, is the worst for sportsmanship I have seen i the last 15 years... A lot of the Backlash is because he is cocky and Black IMO...

I dunno how much of it is because he's black. If there's anyone that thinks like that, that's moronic on their part. But cocky, yes. Brady with his 4 rings and Peyton with his now 2 have earned the right to act a little childish sometimes. And even those two don't compare to the clown show that is Cam, and he doesn't have any rings to justify that. He couldn't be bothered to jump on a ball to try to win one, and then couldn't face the media when to answer for his botches, that's part of being a professional and something that everyone else can do win or lose.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

I have actually 'Jumped the Shark" I am in a battle to defend sportsmanship with a Patriots fan...

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I have actually 'Jumped the Shark" I am in a battle to defend sportsmanship with a Patriots fan...

Hey, I'm thankful he acts like that... Takes the heat off Brady for acting like a baby since Cam is so much worse.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

He surely does not get the Pass that Brady and Peyton have been able to get throughout the years, Brady for one, is the worst for sportsmanship I have seen i the last 15 years... A lot of the Backlash is because he is cocky and Black IMO...

He can act "black" [since you brought it up] on the field all he wants. I don't care about that at all. And he can act cocky because that's his thing. (Although, speaking of race, it's pretty obvious that a section of Panther fans dislike him because he acts too black -- which is something white people don't mind seeing from WRs and DBs, but don't want to see out of QBs).

But when the game ends, you need to be a professional in the press conference. You are the face of an entire franchise. There is etiquette and procedures that need to be followed. If your fandom of the Panthers blinds you of that, then I can't help you.

Oh by the way, just as I don't mind when he acts cocky on the field....I also wouldn't mind if some linebacker speared the hell out of him. Like I said, the game has etiquette that should be followed. Happens in baseball all the time.

 

[GoToHeelDook]

Oh he's an outstanding player. Was the best in the league this year for sure. Will that last beyond this year? Doubtful IMO, but if it does, I wouldn't be stunned. Anyone who said he's a bust coming out of college needs to eat crow though, definitely can't be considered a bust even if he does nothing else from here on out. Was a baller this year, for sure.

All that said, it was poetic justice that he gallivanted around with his cheesy smile doing stupid dabs all year long doing work in regular season games but absolutely sucked when it actually mattered and lost the super bowl for his team, and couldn't even be a man in the press conference and had to sulk away with his tail between his legs cuz he lost. Boo hoo, what a baby.

Not even worth arguing over. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Not even worth arguing over. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

Lol ok. Solid argument you have there.

 

[GoToHeelDook]

Lol ok. Solid argument you have there.

It's not an argument. It is fact that someone who believes so steadfastly in something as you do this particular topic is not worth arguing with. Nothing that I say is going to change your mind as your beliefs on the topic are deeply rooted in your own personal realism. It would resemble watching a Republican trying to turn a Democrat...or perhaps, watching a ping pong match.

The sad reality is that you're spinning the events of what actually happened in the press room to sell your point, and then saying you don't mind how he acts on the field but go on to mention protecting the "etiquette" of a game that hasn't had much "etiquette" for 30 plus years.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

It's not an argument. It is fact that someone who believes so steadfastly in something as you do this particular topic is not worth arguing with. Nothing that I say is going to change your mind as your beliefs on the topic are deeply rooted in your own personal realism. It would resemble watching a Republican trying to turn a Democrat...or perhaps, watching a ping pong match.

The sad reality is that you're spinning the events of what actually happened in the press room to sell your point, and then saying you don't mind how he acts on the field but go on to mention protecting the "etiquette" of a game that hasn't had much "etiquette" for 30 plus years.

What am I spinning? He gave up while the game was still going on (the loose ball play) and then walked off the podium during the presser. I don't care that Broncos were whispering to him from behind the curtain. He's the QB of a franchise. He's got to own the moment there, ignore them, and answer questions. That's part of his job and he gets paid a ton to do his job.

 

[GoToHeelDook]

What am I spinning? He gave up while the game was still going on (the loose ball play) and then walked off the podium during the presser. I don't care that Broncos were whispering to him from behind the curtain. He's the QB of a franchise. He's got to own the moment there, ignore them, and answer questions. That's part of his job and he gets paid a ton to do his job.

Difference of opinion. It's not part of his job. There have been numerous discussions over the years about changing how the media interacts with players. Marshawn Lynch made an entire career of ignoring questions from the media. Literally, AN ENTIRE CAREER. Did you have the same response?

The key point that you said is "you don't care" that Broncos could be heard behind him. Guess what? Your opinion and what you care about doesn't matter one iota. He didn't get fined. He was ON THE STAGE ready to answer questions. The fact that in the biggest stage in the biggest game in the biggest sport in the free world they couldn't separate two teams in a 71,000 seat stadium far enough so that the losing team didn't have to hear the winning team gloating and celebrating from the other side of a curtain is totally absurd and falls squarely on the shoulders of the NFL. Cam Newton walking off was exactly what they deserved and they should learn a lesson from it.

I'm assuming you think this all means Cam is a sore loser, or unprofessional for the franchise? Look no further than this quote from Peyton Manning, regarding a Cam Newton who approached him on the field after the game with a smile on his face, to see how wrong you are.

“Cam could not have been nicer to me. He was extremely humble. He congratulated me, wished me the best. I told him congratulations on his outstanding season and what a great future he has ahead of him. He’ll be back in that game, I can promise you. I have been on that side of it. It is tough. It’s not an easy pill to swallow. He was very nice to me, and I really appreciated that,” Manning said.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if the league golden boys Peyton Manning or Tom Brady did this. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if Russel Wilson did it. But because it's a polarizing entertainer like Cam Newton who just dissected an entire league worth of defenses in maybe the most impressive athletic display in league history to the tune of 15-1, and let everyone know about it along the way---we're talking about it. It's utterly absurd and at this point anyone still harping on it is someone I imagine I wouldn't want to spend much time around in my personal life.

The fact of the matter is that I live in Charlotte and I hear daily about the good that man does for the community, for kids, and for philanthropy. That makes the man; using your celebrity for good. And in that regard, he's arguably the best in the league.

But hey...keep complaining about your 2 1/2 minutes of missing post game interview. "Real solid argument you have there."

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Difference of opinion. It's not part of his job. There have been numerous discussions over the years about changing how the media interacts with players. Marshawn Lynch made an entire career of ignoring questions from the media. Literally, AN ENTIRE CAREER. Did you have the same response?

The key point that you said is "you don't care" that Broncos could be heard behind him. Guess what? Your opinion and what you care about doesn't matter one iota. He didn't get fined. He was ON THE STAGE ready to answer questions. The fact that in the biggest stage in the biggest game in the biggest sport in the free world they couldn't separate two teams in a 71,000 seat stadium far enough so that the losing team didn't have to hear the winning team gloating and celebrating from the other side of a curtain is totally absurd and falls squarely on the shoulders of the NFL. Cam Newton walking off was exactly what they deserved and they should learn a lesson from it.

I'm assuming you think this all means Cam is a sore loser, or unprofessional for the franchise? Look no further than this quote from Peyton Manning, regarding a Cam Newton who approached him on the field after the game with a smile on his face, to see how wrong you are.

“Cam could not have been nicer to me. He was extremely humble. He congratulated me, wished me the best. I told him congratulations on his outstanding season and what a great future he has ahead of him. He’ll be back in that game, I can promise you. I have been on that side of it. It is tough. It’s not an easy pill to swallow. He was very nice to me, and I really appreciated that,” Manning said.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if the league golden boys Peyton Manning or Tom Brady did this. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if Russel Wilson did it. But because it's a polarizing entertainer like Cam Newton who just dissected an entire league worth of defenses in maybe the most impressive athletic display in league history to the tune of 15-1, and let everyone know about it along the way---we're talking about it. It's utterly absurd and at this point anyone still harping on it is someone I imagine I wouldn't want to spend much time around in my personal life.

The fact of the matter is that I live in Charlotte and I hear daily about the good that man does for the community, for kids, and for philanthropy. That makes the man; using your celebrity for good. And in that regard, he's arguably the best in the league.

But hey...keep complaining about your 2 1/2 minutes of missing post game interview. "Real solid argument you have there."

Not even sure what you're arguing. Did I ever say once that Cam isn't a good person? Nope, I didn't. I know all about what he does for charity and I admire him for that. I also think he seems like a cool guy. I'd love to be friends with him. I also loved watching him when he was at Auburn.

Let me repeat: I. like. Cam.

However, he screwed up during the Super Bowl and the press conference. He didn't take losing well. Is it ridiculous that the NFL couldn't separate the two teams? Absolutely. But just about every damn thing the NFL does is ridiculous because that league is one big money whore. Still, though, Cam needed to ignore them and finish the press conference.

And yes, I'd still be having this conversation if Russell Wilson or Tom Brady did it because QBs HAVE to be the face of the franchise. Marshawn Lynch is a nutcase and his media antics were annoying but he isn't the QB. The QB is always the face of the franchise on a successful team.

I'm hurt that you wouldn't want to be my friend in your personal life though. I'll try to recover. And with that I'm finished with this argument since this is a basketball board.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

What did I say that showed I don't know what I'm talking about? The part where I said he was an outstanding player?.... the best in the league this year?... that everyone who said he would be a bust should eat crow?

Not even worth arguing over.

hmm, apparently it was worth arguing over as evidenced by the below

It's not an argument. It is fact that someone who believes so steadfastly in something as you do this particular topic is not worth arguing with. Nothing that I say is going to change your mind as your beliefs on the topic are deeply rooted in your own personal realism. It would resemble watching a Republican trying to turn a Democrat...or perhaps, watching a ping pong match.

The sad reality is that you're spinning the events of what actually happened in the press room to sell your point, and then saying you don't mind how he acts on the field but go on to mention protecting the "etiquette" of a game that hasn't had much "etiquette" for 30 plus years.

^ Hate to break it to you, but the bolded part above is an opinion, not a fact....

Difference of opinion. It's not part of his job. There have been numerous discussions over the years about changing how the media interacts with players. Marshawn Lynch made an entire career of ignoring questions from the media. Literally, AN ENTIRE CAREER. Did you have the same response?

The key point that you said is "you don't care" that Broncos could be heard behind him. Guess what? Your opinion and what you care about doesn't matter one iota. He didn't get fined. He was ON THE STAGE ready to answer questions. The fact that in the biggest stage in the biggest game in the biggest sport in the free world they couldn't separate two teams in a 71,000 seat stadium far enough so that the losing team didn't have to hear the winning team gloating and celebrating from the other side of a curtain is totally absurd and falls squarely on the shoulders of the NFL. Cam Newton walking off was exactly what they deserved and they should learn a lesson from it.

I'm assuming you think this all means Cam is a sore loser, or unprofessional for the franchise? Look no further than this quote from Peyton Manning, regarding a Cam Newton who approached him on the field after the game with a smile on his face, to see how wrong you are.

“Cam could not have been nicer to me. He was extremely humble. He congratulated me, wished me the best. I told him congratulations on his outstanding season and what a great future he has ahead of him. He’ll be back in that game, I can promise you. I have been on that side of it. It is tough. It’s not an easy pill to swallow. He was very nice to me, and I really appreciated that,” Manning said.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if the league golden boys Peyton Manning or Tom Brady did this. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if Russel Wilson did it. But because it's a polarizing entertainer like Cam Newton who just dissected an entire league worth of defenses in maybe the most impressive athletic display in league history to the tune of 15-1, and let everyone know about it along the way---we're talking about it. It's utterly absurd and at this point anyone still harping on it is someone I imagine I wouldn't want to spend much time around in my personal life.

The fact of the matter is that I live in Charlotte and I hear daily about the good that man does for the community, for kids, and for philanthropy. That makes the man; using your celebrity for good. And in that regard, he's arguably the best in the league.

But hey...keep complaining about your 2 1/2 minutes of missing post game interview. "Real solid argument you have there."

Throwing Russel Wilson and Marshawn Lynch into the argument kinda debunks Spacey's narrative that he's been spinning that it's cuz Cam is black...

 

[GoToHeelDook]

Not even sure what you're arguing. Did I ever say once that Cam isn't a good person? Nope, I didn't. I know all about what he does for charity and I admire him for that. I also think he seems like a cool guy. I'd love to be friends with him. I also loved watching him when he was at Auburn.

Let me repeat: I. like. Cam.

However, he screwed up during the Super Bowl and the press conference. He didn't take losing well. Is it ridiculous that the NFL couldn't separate the two teams? Absolutely. But just about every damn thing the NFL does is ridiculous because that league is one big money whore. Still, though, Cam needed to ignore them and finish the press conference.

And yes, I'd still be having this conversation if Russell Wilson or Tom Brady did it because QBs HAVE to be the face of the franchise. Marshawn Lynch is a nutcase and his media antics were annoying but he isn't the QB. The QB is always the face of the franchise on a successful team.

I'm hurt that you wouldn't want to be my friend in your personal life though. I'll try to recover. And with that I'm finished with this argument since this is a basketball board.

You keep burying yourself with blanket statements that are once again, simply a matter of opinion.

Most around Charlotte would argue that Luke is the face of the franchise or perhaps TD. Cam is the face of the offense. It's different. For many years pre-Russel Wilson, Marshawn was the face of Seattle's offense.

Then this: "The QB is always the face of the franchise on a successful team." It's just absurd how untrue that actually is. Of the 8 teams that played in the first round of the NFL playoffs last year, which I would consider making the playoffs to be a fairly good indicator of success, only 3 have QBs who are the faces of the franchise. Cam certainly is the face of the offense, but that doesn't mean he owes anything to the media, or to you, in regards to how long he has to stay on that stage after the game. That's why he wasn't fined. And if you think he's a sore loser because of it, that's on you. Once again, Peyton's words suggest otherwise.

It's utterly ridiculous that here we are 72 days removed from the Superbowl, and the OP posted a post about his sports teams success, and we couldn't make it two more posts before someone had to attack the post game character of Cam Newton, a topic completely removed from what the OP intended to discuss. I'll say it again, Cam Newton owed you nothing and he owed the media nothing. He gave you 3 minutes of interview post game. Then he left. His career, his choice, and he operated within the rules of the game. It's a non issue.

But good luck finding that step ladder to get down off your high horse.

 

[GoToHeelDook]

What did I say that showed I don't know what I'm talking about? The part where I said he was an outstanding player?.... the best in the league this year?... that everyone who said he would be a bust should eat crow?



hmm, apparently it was worth arguing over as evidenced by the below



^ Hate to break it to you, but the bolded part above is an opinion, not a fact....



Throwing Russel Wilson and Marshawn Lynch into the argument kinda debunks Spacey's narrative that he's been spinning that it's cuz Cam is black...

I'm not arguing. What Cam did was not against any NFL rule, and he wasn't fined. It's not an argument. That's the end of it.

I'm not touching the Cam is black thing nor am I necessarily supporting Spacey's narrative on the matter. I'll keep those opinions to myself.

I'm just suggesting 72 days later people give it up and move on. He's a good dude, a hell of a ball player, and a great ambassador for the community. If the worst thing we ever have to worry about him doing is walking off stage 2 minutes early at a presser- then I can 100% live with that.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

I have no problem using the Black guy thing at all I completely love the guys game and attitude and the fact that he is breaking barriers as a Stud QB is awesome to me... Kids can grow up with hope as he can be a role model for the youth, I feel the same way about Jeremy Lin or even Ron Rivera as a Spanish family Background coach, hats off to any and all diversity..

 

[Spaceytoyz]

My Family are Immigrants and have only been here since the 70's so I will have a soft spot for the German Kid who is trying to get Drafted as a WR in the NFL he is big and fast, we will see..