I think Knox is going to Carolina.
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Based on what i've been reading on the board over the past couple of days, all of the above.
We're certainly in one of the best positions for Top 5 recruit in the past 5 or so classes. JMO.
I was on edge wondering what smooth as butter thought about Knox. Now I'm glad we have a thread dedicated to one person's opinion on a recruitment. Whew.
We still haven't clarified whether this is based on anything tangible, or just wishful thinking though.
Don't get me wrong, Knox would be a bit get, but......
Psycho T, Ray-Ray, Wayne, Henson, Barnes were all super gets.
If you said: "Roy's biggest recruit since Barnes" I'd agree 100%
Ty Lawson was a GREAT get. And Ray Ray, even though not recruited by Roy, was a great MOLD by Roy.
I'd argue that in a month we're going to say that 2014 class of JJ, JB, Theo was Roy's most important class since 2007.
A NC title game and....well, let's hope more.
A NC title game and....well, let's hope more.
If you look at espn.com there is a AD that says, "meet mcdonald AA 2017". Dad feels UNC or FSU better for son style. If son was not serious about UNC dad would never mention because he is a FSU alum and prolly only reason they made sons list, and for that reason I feel good about our chances.
Considering all he did, Tyler has to be considered Roy's biggest recruit.
Yep.
Roy also had some pretty good players at Kansas, but I don't recall any of them NPOY.
Brings up a good point - do you rate a recruit by the hype coming in or the production once there?
Based on hype, Barnes and JMM could be considered Roy's best recruiting wins while at UNC.
Based on production, Psycho T is on a summit of his own.
For starters, Hansbrough was a Top 10 recruit, so he passes the "hype" test for sure.
Secondly, and unfortunately, two of those three guys in Hansbrough and JMM are probably a big part of the reason why we currently have been struggling to nab 5-star recruits. The former turned into only a serviceable pro and now a D-League player after being ranked #10 in the country, and the latter is a fringe NBA player whose future is uncertain.
Yeah, not going to bother arguing. I'll just say I disagree with your view.
JMM is becoming a solid bench player for one of the best teams in the league. He's getting real minutes now and has been producing when given the opportunity. He'll have a long career in the NBA, I suspect.
Hmm, really? Thanks for the update/information. Good for JMM! You get my point though. The perception is that UNC/Roy devolved JMM from a lottery pick to an undrafted guy.
Hopefully we land Knox and others and start to turn the tide, so other coaches can't use stuff like that as ammo when recruiting against us.
I think you are being a little generous with you assessment. He's averaging less than 9 mpg. He might be good enough to increase those minutes on a less talented team like Barnes has.
Let's be clear what recruiting rankings are. They are rating players for the next level (college). Hansbrough was a top 10 recruit and proved in college that he may have been a tad under ranked. He was an outstanding college player. Not all games translate to the highest level of basketball (NBA). That being said, Hansbrough made over $16M playing a game.....a lot of which came from his UNC pedigree and production.
Hansbrough was never really considered a can't miss NBA prospect. He was undersized for the position and his motor was his biggest attribute. It's funny Hansbrough can be held against us , but Randolph and any number of bigs who didn't even star in college aren't held against dook.
Laettner, fantastic college player, mediocre pro player. You can substitute Hansbrough or any one of 500 names for Laettner in that sentence. Just from dook alone:
Ferry
Dawkins
Gminski
Banks
Spanarkel
Wojo
Hurley
Williams
Avery
Battier
The Plums
Scheyer
Singler
I could go on and on just naming players from dook, or any other major basketball powerhouse for that matter, who excelled in college but never had a big impact in the NBA. And that includes UNC. College success doesn't necessarily translate to success at the next level. Many of those guys never even played pro ball.
Ferry
Dawkins
Gminski
Banks
Spanarkel
Wojo
Hurley
Williams
Avery
Battier
The Plums
Scheyer
Singler
I could go on and on just naming players from dook, or any other major basketball powerhouse for that matter, who excelled in college but never had a big impact in the NBA. And that includes UNC. College success doesn't necessarily translate to success at the next level. Many of those guys never even played pro ball.
Kyrie Irving is the best pro that attended Duke, but K gets no credit for his success in the NBA. He only played a few games at Duke. K did nothing for him.
The college game has changed. Having nba talent is not the key to success any more due to oad's and the lack of developing chemistry. Unc has won the last two acc titles with recruiting classes ranked like 4th,
10th and 6th or thereabouts, not in the country....in the acc.
10th and 6th or thereabouts, not in the country....in the acc.
To be fair, Hurley was badly injured in an auto accident,never got a real chance.
Williams and a motorcycle lost to a tree, ending his career.
The Plums are serviceable, about the same level as the Lopez and Zeller duos.
Battier had a decent career, probably the best of the above mentioned players.
This is kind of decieving though, because our class of Jackson, pinson, and Berry was a top 5 class in the nation and theyve stuck around now for 3 years. Also the clas with paige and Brice was a top 10 nationally and they stayed 4 years. Not saying I totally disagree with your first sentence, but we cant pretend unc has won these acc titles with bad recruiting classes because the key players were all pretty highly regarded.
You are correct.
I'll add to the fact Hans played in the NBA for 7 years. That's not Roy fault Hans is not a proven scorer at this stage of his career.
We can say all we want but the fact of the matter is that UNC's pros have been booty for some time now. Our best pro players are freaking Danny Green and....HB (Bad when you have to think hard about this). To even bring up JMM is laughable. Dude isn't a good player and is just chilling on the bench of a stacked team. Ty (my fav Heel lately) is a hot mess and PJ Hairston (who I thought would stick) is MIA. Who is in the league? JMM (awful), Zeller (decent), Ty (awful), Ray (decent), Ed (decent), Danny (good role player) and HB (solid). I'm sure I'm missing a few but there isn't a single star UNC player right now.
Used to be able to kill Dook fans with the pro argument but ours have been just as bad as theirs lately.
Used to be able to kill Dook fans with the pro argument but ours have been just as bad as theirs lately.
One HB is a max player at Dallas averaging 22ppg this season
And all Dook have is ONE star. That's Kryie. Who else from dook doing well besides JJ and Hood who are both starters?
Justin Winslow (comes off the bench for 5ppg). Lance(bench player) Austin rivers (role player) Miles (bench player) Mason (decent) Parker(can't stay healthy, 2nd torn acl) Okafor( cant play defense so he comes off the bench, but he is decent) Mcroberts(bench player) Kelly(not in the league anymore) tyrus jones (bench player and they drafted dunn) Henderson (role player) Ingram (role player)
SO PLEASE tell me how dook is just performing so great in the league again?
LMAO typical emotional poster with limited reading comprehension ability. I didn't say that Dook has been killing it in the league, I literally said, "Used to be able to kill Dook fans with the pro argument but ours have been just as bad as theirs lately.". 'Just as bad' being key.
I love UNC as much as the rest of you but the cold truth is that we've been bad in the pros lately. I think almost all of you would agree with that. The Vince, Sheed, Jamison, Stack etc, days are long gone. Times for some guys to step up.
Alternative facts!!! HB is averaging is 20ppg, less than Jabari Parker. Winslow's a starter, doesn't come off the bench. He's averaging 11ppg, not 5, and has a reputation as a lockdown defender. Duke has 10 players in the league averaging double figures (Curry, Hood, Redick, Kyrie, Parker, Winslow, Henderson, Okafor, Plumlee, Rivers). UNC has 3 (HB, Ellington, Marvin).
I'm not here saying Duke is a great NBA pipeline, they are not. But right now, they are better than UNC in that regard.
And let me say this, I am very impressed with Wayne Ellington right now. He is averaging a career high in points (11) and draining big shot after big shot when most people thought he was washed up. As a Heat fan, I watch him every game and he is a big part of the reason they've won 19 of 23. Him and James Johnson, who was also supposed to be washed up.
IMO, Recruits care more about the quantity than the quality. Just having those go to names is what entices recruits.
UK, Duke, and others have that right now. We don't. Plain and simple.
UK, Duke, and others have that right now. We don't. Plain and simple.
Most accurate thing you said.
And you're alternative facts are garbage!
Winslow is also shooting 35%, one of worst in the association. That 10pts/gm is no better than Vince Carter, who is scoring 8pts/gm shooting 38%.
Vince is a legend.
Winslow will always be known as a defender, which really means CAN'T SHOOT.
HB-- 20.0pts/gm and also a very good defender.
Parker--20.1pts/gm and can't guard a door knob.
