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Is it possible to be a fan of Trump the Entertainer but not Trump the POTUS?

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Personally, I never wanted the man as President because he sees it all as a game where he is King. He doesn't take the Office seriously and has created chaos where there was already plenty of it to go around. 1 year in and we have nothing but a decent SCOTUS decision and toothless EOs repealed. He's whiffed on Health Care and Taxes look bleak. Infastructure might as well be dead. Beyond that, what is his policy? The Wall?

Now, I do find a lot of tweets and comments hilarious. Pocahontas is hilarious if you're not POTUS. His debates were amazing to watch. He's a master level troller. But as POTUS, does that bother you?
 
ticket2ride04 said:
Personally, I never wanted the man as President because he sees it all as a game where he is King. He doesn't take the Office seriously and has created chaos where there was already plenty of it to go around. 1 year in and we have nothing but a decent SCOTUS decision and toothless EOs repealed. He's whiffed on Health Care and Taxes look bleak. Infastructure might as well be dead. Beyond that, what is his policy? The Wall?

Now, I do find a lot of tweets and comments hilarious. Pocahontas is hilarious if you're not POTUS. His debates were amazing to watch. He's a master level troller. But as POTUS, does that bother you?
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I think you can make a separation between the two and I agree with what you said for the most part. It doesn't really bother me that much, however I would prefer him not to say some of the stuff he does say simply because it makes it harder for him to solve problems like health care and taxes.
 
ticket2ride04 said:
Personally, I never wanted the man as President because he sees it all as a game where he is King. He doesn't take the Office seriously and has created chaos where there was already plenty of it to go around. 1 year in and we have nothing but a decent SCOTUS decision and toothless EOs repealed. He's whiffed on Health Care and Taxes look bleak. Infastructure might as well be dead. Beyond that, what is his policy? The Wall?

Now, I do find a lot of tweets and comments hilarious. Pocahontas is hilarious if you're not POTUS. His debates were amazing to watch. He's a master level troller. But as POTUS, does that bother you?
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I agree with everything you said (except I still think the Pocahontas thing is funny despite him being president), but it doesn't really bother me. I actually find it somewhat refreshing that a political figure, let alone the POTUS, is willing to speak/tweet so candidly (even if it's incredibly stupid stuff half the time).

Plus, even though it's not the most desirable characteristic to have, I enjoy schadenfreude - and the Trump Haters deliver it in spades. I like him because he pisses those people off so much; more than I actually like him on his own merits (which admittedly, there are few).
 
ticket2ride04 said:
Personally, I never wanted the man as President because he sees it all as a game where he is King. He doesn't take the Office seriously and has created chaos where there was already plenty of it to go around. 1 year in and we have nothing but a decent SCOTUS decision and toothless EOs repealed. He's whiffed on Health Care and Taxes look bleak. Infastructure might as well be dead. Beyond that, what is his policy? The Wall?

Now, I do find a lot of tweets and comments hilarious. Pocahontas is hilarious if you're not POTUS. His debates were amazing to watch. He's a master level troller. But as POTUS, does that bother you?
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Yes. My wife loves Trump the business man and entertainer. She also voted for him but I wouldn't say she loves him as President. She recognizes his over-the-top ego as not being a great fit for President. But like many Trump supporters, she's willing to overlook a lot of his personal shortcomings if he's able to create a better economic climate.

But I will challenge your statement of "we have nothing but a decent SCOTUS decision and toothless EOs repealed". A lot of Trump supporters voted for Trump because of his rhetoric - his hard line on immigration, his hard line against what many perceived as an endorsement of lawlessness from the last administration and his hard line on corrupt lifelong politicians. Now you can argue whether Trump and his supporters' perception is wrong, but he has continued to speak to his base and he continues to give them what they want. That in and of itself is different from many previous Presidents.
 
Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
I agree with everything you said (except I still think the Pocahontas thing is funny despite him being president), but it doesn't really bother me. I actually find it somewhat refreshing that a political figure, let alone the POTUS, is willing to speak/tweet so candidly (even if it's incredibly stupid stuff half the time).

Plus, even though it's not the most desirable characteristic to have, I enjoy schadenfreude - and the Trump Haters deliver it in spades. I like him because he pisses those people off so much; more than I actually like him on his own merits (which admittedly, there are few).
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Your last post is what I like least about him. I liked Obama overall but he was certainly not without faults. One of those was he missed the chance to be a uniter. He always had to be the smartest guy in the room and belittle people beneath him. Trump told us in his acceptance speech he was going to bring us together and this country is ripe for some healing at the moment. Instead he continues to drive the wedge further and further down. It might be entertaining but it is certainly not helpful and most likely harmful.


gunslingerdick said:
Yes. My wife loves Trump the business man and entertainer. She also voted for him but I wouldn't say she loves him as President. She recognizes his over-the-top ego as not being a great fit for President. But like many Trump supporters, she's willing to overlook a lot of his personal shortcomings if he's able to create a better economic climate.

But I will challenge your statement of "we have nothing but a decent SCOTUS decision and toothless EOs repealed". A lot of Trump supporters voted for Trump because of his rhetoric - his hard line on immigration, his hard line against what many perceived as an endorsement of lawlessness from the last administration and his hard line on corrupt lifelong politicians. Now you can argue whether Trump and his supporters' perception is wrong, but he has continued to speak to his base and he continues to give them what they want. That in and of itself is different from many previous Presidents.
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I would argue his base's perception is wrong. His rhetoric is consistent but he hasn't really followed through on any major promise. It's been a year and ACA is worse now than ever. GDP is up, but it was trending that way already. Markets continue to grow and that's fueled by the huge corporate tax reduction. If that falls on its face, look for a big correction. The swamp is not only drained, it's just as infested as ever.

My hope is Trump is the bellwether that brings change on both sides. Democrats that remember the middle class and don't try and create a program to save everybody. Republicans that don't grovel to the religious right and become fiscally conservative.
 
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tarheel0910 said:
I think you can make a separation between the two and I agree with what you said for the most part. It doesn't really bother me that much, however I would prefer him not to say some of the stuff he does say simply because it makes it harder for him to solve problems like health care and taxes.
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I disagree, When you're in that office you can't separate the two and that is what makes him so unfit for the office.
 
gunslingerdick said:
Now you can argue whether Trump and his supporters' perception is wrong, but he has continued to speak to his base and he continues to give them what they want.
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Hilarious! Besides providing a lot of rhetorical gibberish, exactly what has he given that his supporters are hoping for?

The repeal of Obamacare? Nope.
The end of corruption in Washington? He is likely the most corrupt of all.
Suppression of liberal ideology and influence? He is liberalism's accidental advocate.
Border wall with Mexico? Seriously?
Bringing overseas jobs back to America? A mere trickle so far.
A stronger military? No stronger today than when he took office.
Fewer illegal aliens? Just as many today as when he took office.
A wealthy President who doesn't owe favors? Ha! Tell that to Vladimir Putin.
The elimination of ISIS? Nope.
Tax reform? Dead on arrival.

Yeah, he's doing a bang-up job, all right, and the voters, like your wife, continue to turn a blind eye. Very sad, indeed.
 
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I thought he was a piece of shit human before running for POTUS, and he's only enforced my opinion by making a trav-a-sham-mockery of the position.

His constant tweets and stupid ass comments are mostly annoying to me. At this point, I hope he doesn't **** things up too badly until him and his lying ass are gone.
 
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Economy is going great, so he's fine by me. I have never been busier at work in my life.

He is entertaining as hell too, but that's just a bonus. If the economy sucked, I would dislike him immensely, as I did the last guy.
 
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UNC71-00 said:
Economy is going great, so he's fine by me. I have never been busier at work in my life.

He is entertaining as hell too, but that's just a bonus. If the economy sucked, I would dislike him immensely, as I did the last guy.
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The dow tripled from the time Obama took office to the time he left. So it's safe to assume you're a big Obama supporter?
 
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uncboy10 said:
The dow tripled from the time Obama took office to the time he left. So it's safe to assume you're a big Obama supporter?
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The Dow is not GDP.

Billy however, loves the Dow Jones. You should ask him why he doesn't like Trump.
 
UNC71-00 said:
The Dow is not GDP.

Billy however, loves the Dow Jones. You should ask him why he doesn't like Trump.
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He's a racist, fat, lazy, stupid, egotistical, lying ass hypocrite that has a loving fondness for Vladimir Putin . . . but, that's just for starters.
 
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BillyL said:
He's a racist, fat, lazy, stupid, egotistical, lying ass hypocrite that has a loving fondness for Vladimir Putin . . . but, that's just for starters.
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Yeah but he's been great for your stocks and that's all that matters. Or so I remember hearing around these parts a few years ago.
 
UNC71-00 said:
Yeah but he's been great for your stocks and that's all that matters. Or so I remember hearing around these parts a few years ago.
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Thanks Obama. The upward trend definitely belongs on his shift . .
 
ticket2ride04 said:
I would argue his base's perception is wrong. His rhetoric is consistent but he hasn't really followed through on any major promise. It's been a year and ACA is worse now than ever. GDP is up, but it was trending that way already. Markets continue to grow and that's fueled by the huge corporate tax reduction. If that falls on its face, look for a big correction. The swamp is not only drained, it's just as infested as ever.
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But perception is everything. When an illegal immigrant kills somebody, Trump acts like his supporters want him to act - pissed. And he beats the drum for better border control. He doesn't say things like "we can't blame all immigrants". That's not what people want to hear in those times. They want to hear their President come out publicly and take a hard stance. Trump obliges. That's exactly what his supporters want. Whether it actually happens or not is mostly inconsequential to his supporters. Is he publicly taking a harsh stand against illegal immigration? The answer there is "yes". That's what his supporters want. When Antifa throws bricks through a glass window and assaults someone, Trump is there to not only condemn them, but ridicule them. That's what his supporters want. Where is BLM? No where to be found. That's what his supporters want.

You can say that his rhetoric isn't accomplishing anything if you want and it's a legit argument if you're on the opposing side. But for his supporters, he's still saying publicly what they can't. He's changed the culture. He's forced people to listen to "the other side of the argument" - that people are afraid to tackle for fear of being labeled this or that. And they love him for it.

Heels Noir said:
Hilarious! Besides providing a lot of rhetorical gibberish, exactly what has he given that his supporters are hoping for?

The repeal of Obamacare? Nope.
The end of corruption in Washington? He is likely the most corrupt of all.
Suppression of liberal ideology and influence? He is liberalism's accidental advocate.
Border wall with Mexico? Seriously?
Bringing overseas jobs back to America? A mere trickle so far.
A stronger military? No stronger today than when he took office.
Fewer illegal aliens? Just as many today as when he took office.
A wealthy President who doesn't owe favors? Ha! Tell that to Vladimir Putin.
The elimination of ISIS? Nope.
Tax reform? Dead on arrival.

Yeah, he's doing a bang-up job, all right, and the voters, like your wife, continue to turn a blind eye. Very sad, indeed.
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See above response to ticket.
 
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Actually, the deficit went down steadily before rising slightly at the end.
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Not the yearly deficit, the overall deficit. It went up on his watch more than all the Presidents before him. His administration became quite adept at printing money as well.....quantitative easing.
 
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Not the yearly deficit, the overall deficit. It went up on his watch more than all the Presidents before him. His administration became quite adept at printing money as well.....quantitative easing.
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That’s called the debt. You should learn the difference.

What do you think drove the huge increase in our debt?
 
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That’s called the debt. You should learn the difference.

What do you think drove the huge increase in our debt?
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The FED

Our currency, and our entire monetary system, is built-on, and backed, entirely by monetized debt. It has been for going on 114 years now.

The debt has no choice but to increase. It doesn't matter who they stick in the White House. As long as the The Fed is in charge, the debt will never go away... ever.



 
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The FED

Our currency, and our entire monetary system, is built-on, and backed, entirely by monetized debt. It has been for going on 114 years now.

The debt has no choice but to increase. It doesn't matter who they stick in the White House. As long as the The Fed is in charge, the debt will never go away... ever.

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That is a more broad issue. My point was 2 unfunded wars and the greatest recession since the GD didn’t help matters.

But yeah, to your point, we can always just print more money.
 
gunslingerdick said:
But perception is everything. When an illegal immigrant kills somebody, Trump acts like his supporters want him to act - pissed. And he beats the drum for better border control. He doesn't say things like "we can't blame all immigrants". That's not what people want to hear in those times. They want to hear their President come out publicly and take a hard stance. Trump obliges. That's exactly what his supporters want. Whether it actually happens or not is mostly inconsequential to his supporters. Is he publicly taking a harsh stand against illegal immigration? The answer there is "yes". That's what his supporters want. When Antifa throws bricks through a glass window and assaults someone, Trump is there to not only condemn them, but ridicule them. That's what his supporters want. Where is BLM? No where to be found. That's what his supporters want.

You can say that his rhetoric isn't accomplishing anything if you want and it's a legit argument if you're on the opposing side. But for his supporters, he's still saying publicly what they can't. He's changed the culture. He's forced people to listen to "the other side of the argument" - that people are afraid to tackle for fear of being labeled this or that. And they love him for it.



See above response to ticket.
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I can understand that POV and think a spade should be called a spade. But outside of telling it like it is, he ain’t bringing much to the table.
 
ticket2ride04 said:
Did you like when Obama refused to say ‘radical islam’ or ‘he could have been my son’????
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No I did not. I didn't like much anything Obama did. But then again, business was much slower and life was more stressful due to the resulting loss of income, so I had time to pay attention and be annoyed by this kind of stuff.

Trump has come in, loosened regulations, greatly reduced the fear of the unknown and as a result, businesses are investing a good bit of the cash they hoarded during the previous administration. I'm busy as hell and don't have time to look at Twitter, Drudge and this board the way I used to do, so I really have no idea what's going on in politics and don't care to know either.

But I have noticed that Trump really gets under Lyles's skin, so that's good enough for me.
 
UNC71-00 said:
No I did not. I didn't like much anything Obama did. But then again, business was much slower and life was more stressful due to the resulting loss of income, so I had time to pay attention and be annoyed by this kind of stuff.

Trump has come in, loosened regulations, greatly reduced the fear of the unknown and as a result, businesses are investing a good bit of the cash they hoarded during the previous administration. I'm busy as hell and don't have time to look at Twitter, Drudge and this board the way I used to do, so I really have no idea what's going on in politics and don't care to know either.

But I have noticed that Trump really gets under Lyles's skin, so that's good enough for me.
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Corporations were making money hand over fist the last 6-7 years. Look at P&L’s. Certainly a reduction in regulations is needed but the recent ‘Trump Bump’ was coming regardless. Everyone can’t keep sitting on their cash. The idea of a tax cut for the big c-corps is driving most of the markets. If that dies in the senate, expect a correction.
 
ticket2ride04 said:
Corporations were making money hand over fist the last 6-7 years. Look at P&L’s. Certainly a reduction in regulations is needed but the recent ‘Trump Bump’ was coming regardless. Everyone can’t keep sitting on their cash. The idea of a tax cut for the big c-corps is driving most of the markets. If that dies in the senate, expect a correction.
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I don't care how much money a corporation earns, I care how much of the earnings are subsequently invested in capital improvements and employees.

Corporate managers were reluctant to invest anything when the previous administration was calling the shots, because no one knew what new regulations would be signed into effect via Executive Order. Obama was thoroughly unpredictable in this regard, and in such a climate, everyone sits on their cash.
 
tarheel0910 said:
With all that anger he has I'm surprised you still let him manage your store.
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He had a poison pill in place- I have to give him a year's supply of dried bean sprouts and lentil burgers if I cut him loose before mid term elections.
 
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UNC71-00 said:
I don't care how much money a corporation earns, I care how much of the earnings are subsequently invested in capital improvements and employees.

Corporate managers were reluctant to invest anything when the previous administration was calling the shots, because no one knew what new regulations would be signed into effect via Executive Order. Obama was thoroughly unpredictable in this regard, and in such a climate, everyone sits on their cash.
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I don’t totally disagree with that. But I have my own personal thoughts that would take too long to explain.

In short: pubs under regulate and dems over regulate
 
ticket2ride04 said:
I don’t totally disagree with that. But I have my own personal thoughts that would take too long to explain.

In short: pubs under regulate and dems over regulate
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I agree with your conclusion. But Obama over regulated even by a (normal) Democrat's measure. We needed a correction.

I only know my industry (well, you know my industry too), but it is a pretty significant sector of the economy and there is more private money looking to invest than there are people who can invest it for them. We are getting almost 15 points more than our historical gross margin right now and we are turning work away because we can't handle it all and can't find people to hire.

It's a shit ton of fun, and I don't know many people, even Democrats, who thought business was fun prior to 2017 unless their business was supplying/servicing the government.
 
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I agree with your conclusion. But Obama over regulated even by a (normal) Democrat's measure. We needed a correction.

I only know my industry (well, you know my industry too), but it is a pretty significant sector of the economy and there is more private money looking to invest than there are people who can invest it for them. We are getting almost 15 points more than our historical gross margin right now and we are turning work away because we can't handle it all and can't find people to hire.

It's a shit ton of fun, and I don't know many people, even Democrats, who thought business was fun prior to 2017 unless their business was supplying/servicing the government.
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As a former banker and current person in the same industry, the banks are what need to pop and start lending. They are more conservative than even what Dodd-Frank and the CFPB dictate. It’s still really hard to get funding. Hopefully the shake up at the CFPB encourages banks to take a little risk.

Being in DC, we’ve been lucky. We have been up significantly every year since 2012. Hope the rest of the country is catching up.

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No, Hated it. Although, I thought the beer summit was funny, but went downhill from there.
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I didn’t like it either. Just like I don’t like Trump trolling libs. Doesn’t serve a purpose
 
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