Jarin Stevenson Trims List To Three
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Maybe not ( a good one) but one who could develop into a decent player. He appears to want a fast track to the league, but will probably be a 3 or 4 year player who may not get drafted. Not being negative against him for choosing Alabama, but only wish him the best going forward, and sincerely hopes he achieve his dream. Probably will not be at Alabama for his entire college career.
He's higher rated than Zayden High and we all seem to act like we like High, so why wouldnt Stevenson be even more exciting than High? We all seem to knock players when they dont choose us, but act like they are a great player when they pick us. Keeping players in state and getting highly rated talent is a BIG factor in being a great recruiter. We needed another big man in my opinion without knowing how great Washington will be. Hopefully Hubert can pick up another player or two before the season starts.
I'm inclined to think we have all our bases covered quite well, but with only 10 scholarship players, I'd feel safer with another backup big - and maybe another backup SF, too. Not because we have holes to fill but because an untimely injury, illness or foul trouble could leave us in a jam.
Who are our walk-ons this season? I see these guys listed for last season. Stats are per 40 minutes - which are obviously pretty squirrely for such few minutes. Only 1 front court guy (Beau Maye).
I assume they all have another year of eligibility but who's returning, and can any of them really step in if we have the need?
| Player | Class | Hgt | Wgt | MPG | PPG | RPG | APG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Beau Maye | SR | 6'8 | 225 | 1.0 | 0.0 | 40.0 | 0.0 |
| Rob Landry | SR | 6'4 | 185 | 1.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| Duwe Farris | SR | 6'6 | 205 | 1.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| Creighton Lebo | SR | 6'1 | 160 | 1.0 | 26.7 | 0.0 | 13.3 |
| Jackson Watkins | SR | 6'1 | 180 | 0.8 | 40.0 | 0.0 | 13.3 |
I find myself not caring that Stevenson isn't coming this year. I didn't see a need for him this year, and was worried that if he picked us he wouldn't contribute that much, but might cause someone like Ryan to reconsider his commitment. JS may be a future star, but I'd rather have Cormac this year.
I am disappointed he won't be here next year, though.
As for JS picking Alabama, I'd sort of rather he picked UVa. It would be interesting to see how Bennett would have developed him.
I am disappointed he won't be here next year, though.
As for JS picking Alabama, I'd sort of rather he picked UVa. It would be interesting to see how Bennett would have developed him.
PGs: Cadeau, Davis, Trimble
SGs: Ryan, Wojcik
SFs: Ingram
Stretch 4s: Withers
Centers: Bacot, Washington, High
Hubert better go find us some forward depth. At least a comboforward who can play both forward spots.
I realize we'll be playing a lot of small ball to get Cadeau and Davis on the court together, but we still gotta match up defensively to win some of these games.
SGs: Ryan, Wojcik
SFs: Ingram
Stretch 4s: Withers
Centers: Bacot, Washington, High
Hubert better go find us some forward depth. At least a comboforward who can play both forward spots.
I realize we'll be playing a lot of small ball to get Cadeau and Davis on the court together, but we still gotta match up defensively to win some of these games.
It looks a lot less dire when you incorporate the flexibility this roster provides. Maybe what you referred to as small ball.
I also understand the trained response on Washington is that he lacks lateral quickness but I'm a "wait and see" on that given he has had another year of recovery and, as important, another year of experience and understanding of our defensive expectations. For the record, I completely agree with your assessment on our need of a little more depth at the forward spot, but this doesn't look awful either...
PG: EC, Trimble RJ
SG: RJ, Ryan, Wojick
SF: Ryan, Ingram
PF: Withers, Washington
C: Bacot, Washington, Withers, High
Po-tay-to, Po-taw-to (are we saying the same thing)??
I agree NorCal and I’d like to add that I believe the small ball lineups we can roll with could possibly run teams into submission. Meaning, we can worry less about their defensive end shortcomings and kill ‘em with offense. Days of Roy’s best offensive teams come to mind. It would be a dream of mine nevertheless.
I really did not like the fit of Stevenson and UNC at all, he is in my opinion fools gold. I don't know the kid personally, my comments concerning him are not personal, he may be a great young man. Thing is, his perception of his game simply does not fit at all with the players we already have. The kid is what 6'8" decent weight, what I think is solid athletism but he feels like he is a wing. His being rated a 5 star has him expecting to be a starter and if not a starter to get starter like minutes and that just was not going to happen in a freshman season at UNC and it especially wouldn't in a reclass freshman season. Kid is just not a solid jump shooter, that is a problem for a guy that thinks he is a wing or a stretch 4, did we not learn that with Leaky Black?
Not saying the kid is a bad seed but when you have a kid that is so fully bought in to his 5 star status that is fully expecting to start for a good team and isn't able to, friction in the locker room happens, team chemistry is challenged and this UNC team needs a coming together rather than a chemistry challenged team mate. Kid has talent but I see his mindset as whack, I think he would be well served to sit and talk to some NBA players, really understand that he is not now what he thinks he is, that one day he can be if he is willing to put in the work and be humble enough to wait until it is his time because he earned it rather than expect it to simply be given to him. His quest to reclass is for me really strong indication that he is not yet ready to listen to what he really does need to hear.
Zayden High was mentioned but there is a huge difference with High. First High is not expected to and realizes that he is not looking at great PT for us this coming season, he knows who is ahead of him in the rotation, yet he is still with us, shows he is willing to grind and learn and just earn what he gets, even it is little now, the rewards for his work will come down the line, Stevenson seems to want it all right now and not have to earn it.
Nate Oats can promise this kid anything the kid wants to hear, he can hire his dad or place his dad in some other program that is friendly to bama just to get this kid. But when it comes down to it Nate Oats is not going to sacrifice wins just to stroke a kid's ego, one thing to tell him he can get Caleb Love like shot attempts, another thing for a coach to allow it when it is costing him wins, Hubert should not have allowed that from Caleb and Oats is not going to allow it for this kid. I only wonder if this kid will actually wait until the season is over to enter the portal or announce that he will before bama plays their last game next season?
Not saying the kid is a bad seed but when you have a kid that is so fully bought in to his 5 star status that is fully expecting to start for a good team and isn't able to, friction in the locker room happens, team chemistry is challenged and this UNC team needs a coming together rather than a chemistry challenged team mate. Kid has talent but I see his mindset as whack, I think he would be well served to sit and talk to some NBA players, really understand that he is not now what he thinks he is, that one day he can be if he is willing to put in the work and be humble enough to wait until it is his time because he earned it rather than expect it to simply be given to him. His quest to reclass is for me really strong indication that he is not yet ready to listen to what he really does need to hear.
Zayden High was mentioned but there is a huge difference with High. First High is not expected to and realizes that he is not looking at great PT for us this coming season, he knows who is ahead of him in the rotation, yet he is still with us, shows he is willing to grind and learn and just earn what he gets, even it is little now, the rewards for his work will come down the line, Stevenson seems to want it all right now and not have to earn it.
Nate Oats can promise this kid anything the kid wants to hear, he can hire his dad or place his dad in some other program that is friendly to bama just to get this kid. But when it comes down to it Nate Oats is not going to sacrifice wins just to stroke a kid's ego, one thing to tell him he can get Caleb Love like shot attempts, another thing for a coach to allow it when it is costing him wins, Hubert should not have allowed that from Caleb and Oats is not going to allow it for this kid. I only wonder if this kid will actually wait until the season is over to enter the portal or announce that he will before bama plays their last game next season?
I don't think Washington can guard anyone around the perimeter. He's pretty much only effective defensively in the paint. He can't navigate screens, he struggles closing out on shooters. In the modern game he's pretty much the prototype Center with a jumpshot.
My big thing, everyone seems to agree Ingram will start and log major minutes at PF. It will probably be mainly Ingram and Withers covering the PF minutes. But Ingram is also the only guy currently on the roster who matches up well defensively with your typical tall ACC caliber SF. He's not a shutdown defender, but he's the best we've got. We're asking a lot of him to be our starting PF and our best SF defender. Even if he's healthy all year that's too much to ask of him. Hubert really needs to find another SF or comboforward before the season starts. It won't happen, but I'd personally be begging Drake Powell to reclass.
LOL, well to say Jalen lacks lateral quickness is low hanging fruit for a kid that came off of 2 knee operations and spent 2yrs on the shelf. Well of course coming off all that the kid is not going to have game legs. I agree, let's wait and see now that he is able to have a full off season to condition and work on his game. While you never know how far back a kid can come from knee injury to certainly do not see that in his first season back and for Jalen it was really what, about half the season if that, all we saw was a distant shadow of what this kid may become, we wil see things more clear if he stays healthy and uses this off season to finally be able to work hard on his game as opposed to working hard to rehab.
I think what Jalen really needs, I think Withers as well is solid PT for their games to expand, I see Jalen as more a 4 that can stretch, I think his turn around jumper may in time become unguardable due to his really high release and that 7'5" length, will become a greater weapon when he has his legs fully under him.
Withers is the kind of 4 I really love, really good motor, looks to be in constant motion, makes really strong solid cuts in to passing lanes, does not need to dominate the ball, takes good shots, runs the court, and works on the defensive end. He is a guy that looks to fit in to the flow of the game more than run to a spot and camp out, which is what we saw far to much of last season did we not? He is the kind of 4 that Bacot really needs because you can't help off of him and give him clean jumpers and he can hit those out to 3pt land so you best not double Bacot with Withers defender and you darn sure can't let Bacot operate 1 on 1 with Cadeau in the game.
Last season we had 2 starters that got HUGE PT that on the offensive end you could pull off of and double elsewhere. WE can argue all day whether it is Ingram or Ryan you want to start at the 3, I want Ingram but either one you just don't want to leave off of to double someone else, they will both drill you from outside all day if you let them. So what do you do, leave RJ open look jumpers or try, I say try mind you to handle Cadeau 1 on 1? Now you want to play physical ball against us and some successfully did last season, classic example the NC State games, good luck with that cause I throw out INgram, Withers, and Bacot and say go for it. Want to zone us and dare us to shoot I throw out Ryan, RJ, Washington and still say, go for it. Want to pressure us the length of the court, have ya heard of this Cadeau kid or this kid named RJ? We can play big ball, we can play, small ball, we can play middle ball, we can jump shoot, and we can play physical, we can put in a guy like Seth and defensively take your PG out of his game along with Cadeau. What we have is a ton of talent at every position at least 2 deep and that talent fits together, the fit together was a severe problem for us last season.
Ingram should start at SF. But that only works if Withers can start successfully at PF. Some think he can, others don't. I have no idea, but I hope he can.
Even if Ingram starts at SF, he's still likely to play half his minutes at PF, give or take. So your concern is still warranted.
Obviously if Washington makes great strides, a lot of both our concerns go away. And maybe the reason Hubert hasn't added a front court guy to our roster is because he has confidence in Washington (and/or High). Or maybe because he really wants to play a lot of small ball, and doesn't see the need.
We have Cadeau plus 6 proven starters, used to playing long minutes:
RJ
Cormac
Paxson
Harrison
Jae'Lyn
Armando
It's a good bet that Hubert will play RJ, Cormac, Harrison, and Armando 30 minutes each in hard games. Cadeau, too, if he can handle it. That's 150 minutes. Withers and Paxson have proven they can play long minutes, too. And we haven't even talked about Seth, Jalen or Zayden yet.
Which is to say that Hubert needs to be willing to play his bench a lot more. But will he?
I want to keep 5 star players in state as much as you do, but an argument can be made that Jarin Stevenson will not be a 5 star talent during the upcoming season and then might not be that level for a few years. His timeline for greatness doesn't seem to equal his projected growth chart as a player.
In my opinion. High is better suited for the role of 10th/11th man on next year's team than Jarin is, and I like Zaydens projection going forward as a multi year Tar Heel.
I am not fretting too much losing this recruit at present time, and in fact I don't think anyone will lament over missing what Jarin Stevenson college career will turn out to be. Just my honest opinion.
I wonder if any coaches are telling kids "why don't you go play for XYZ and then portal over here after a year"?
I mean if you were thinking he wouldn't play much or even redshirt, why not send him to the minors, so to speak, for a year?
Hubert to recruit: "Why don't you go play for King Rice for a year, and if you do well I'll find you a spot next year."
Who knows, coaches like Rice might like that kind of arrangement, since they might get players they wouldn't otherwise have any chance with - even if for only a year or 2.
I could see top coaches working out deals with a couple of mid-major (or lower) coaches that have specific coaching skills. If you have a kid who needs to work on ball handling, send him to A; if he needs to work on shooting, send him to B; if defense is his weakness, send him to C.
Might just be the next logical evolution of the portal era.
During a recent " Locked on Tar Heels" episode Isaac Shade gave a secondhand rundown of the Summer pickup games. His source, which he would not name, said that "Jaelynn Withers can flat-out guard anyone"
He was guarding 1-5 and according to the source was a very capable defender. Shade said his source is a very knowledgeable basketball mind that is extremely close with the program.
Not saying Withers will be Leaky Black on defense, but between him, Ingram and Wojcik I think guarding wings is way down on my worry list.
Yeah, saw that same podcast and it fits real well with what David Sisk has shared with us about Withers.
In all fairness my friend, most of us on the board realize that High could be a player by his second or third year. Regardless of where he or Jarin are rated, and no one is knocking Jarin because he chose Alabama, most of us are leary of the fact that he's not as good as he has been told, or thinks he is. With your perspective of keeping in state players, times have changed with this being a norm. New age is to recruit the best players available, that fit your needs and system.
I'm not saying times havnt changed, but we were recruiting him and lost the battle.. you shouldn't lose a recruit 15 minutes from your campus unless you told them you didn't want them. I don't believe that was the case.
There is no such thing as “you shouldn’t lose a recruit“ anymore. School loyalty is tertiary to money and immediate playing time.
Seeing how badly he played on the EYBL circuit this past few weeks, if you were Hubert would you have promised him the starting PF job and hired his dad to get him to commit and reclass?
He won't be 5-star when he's added to the 2023 class.
Based on his play these past few weeks I'd drop him significantly in the rankings.
Didn't Alabama add the PF from NDSU to start in front of Stevenson? I guess he feels better about competing against him than Withers?
All the Bama fans believe the NDSU guy will start at Center. They really don't have much else in their front court at the moment.
Thank you! This is what I have been saying all along when it seemed like all folks could see was the 5 star by his name, I kept asking why is this kid 5 star, I just don't see it. Kid does have a lot of talent but he needs to develop as a 4 and get his head out of the "I am a wing" clouds. That doesn't mean he can not develop in to a "stretch 4" but his bread and butter should be made in the mid range with the occasional stretch out. I do think he has the tools to one day become a excellent defender but that is just going to take a while but he does not seem willing to take the time to develop.
How does that work? I thought the portal has been closed for weeks? Grad student?
