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With the cautionary caveat that the NYPost as a "newspaper" is birdcage-liner Murdoch garbage, the scam-artist that is K is no better. He has long since thrown away any semblance of integrity.
There's a "tell" when it comes to recruiting: If an elite prospect ends up somewhere he has no business and no logical reason to go, then shenanigans are almost certainly afoot.
Let's lay it on the line. Put aside the fact that Roy couldn't have even recruited him because he couldn't get admitted at UNC, Bagley, as a OAD west-coast kid has zero logical LEGIT reason to go to dook. None. He sure as hell can't say he's coming for a dook education, and he's coming across country to join a program that doesn't use or develop Bigs well that already has another frosh elite Big who also doesn't consider himself a 5? Yeah... ok
.With the cautionary caveat that the NYPost as a "newspaper" is birdcage-liner Murdoch garbage, the scam-artist that is K is no better. He has long since thrown away any semblance of integrity.
There's a "tell" when it comes to recruiting: If an elite prospect ends up somewhere he has no business and no logical reason to go, then shenanigans are almost certainly afoot.
Let's lay it on the line. Put aside the fact that Roy couldn't have even recruited him because he couldn't get admitted at UNC, Bagley, as a OAD west-coast kid has zero logical LEGIT reason to go to dook. None. He sure as hell can't say he's coming for a dook education, and he's coming across country to join a program that doesn't use or develop Bigs well that already has another frosh elite Big who also doesn't consider himself a 5? Yeah... ok
"Zero logical LEGIT reason" is more than a stretch, his dad is from the area and his grandma still lives in Durham. Combine some local ties with the dude's top draft pick aspirations and Duke's recent success with delivering on that premise and he has more than enough reasons.
It’s a business that escapes examination and courtroom adjudication. If an ostensibly clean business serves as a false front for a criminal enterprise, it’s called racketeering; accused offenders can be imprisoned for long stretches if convicted.
[O]ur colleges — many of them taxpayer-funded and growing prohibitively expensive — serve as fronts for expensive basketball and football teams that only provide full-scholarship recruits with legitimate college educations by accident....
That certainly isn't 100% true, but it's much more true than it should be.
Selective delivering on promises at best I would suggest, delivered on some and lied to others.
Must make duke fans very happy, to be able to see so many 1st round draft selections dress in their uniform and get together with each other discussing their future NBA pay days while watching UNC play for National Championships...LOL
Wouldn't know if it makes Duke fans happy or not, but regardless, my post had literally nothing to do with whatever promises you're invoking. They've had a player drafted in the top 3 of the draft for the last four years. Granted, every single one of them was a consensus top 3 ranked recruit out of HS, so I would and do argue nobody "makes" these guys into top picks. But the post I replied to suggested, in the most Carolina blue-tinted glasses possible, that there was no reason that Bagley, with family in the area, who has his sights set on being the top draft pick and excelling in the NBA, would choose a school that's had recent draft and freshmen-showcasing success... Which, obviously, I don't agree with.
Be careful gary.
You and I can't say things like that.
I mean you can, considering you're the same person.
unc has had a great 2-year run...duke, then unc, and unc again in the past 3 years itle games are great accomplishments for both programs and the ACC
Of course you wouldn't. Apparently the goose cut in front of you in the sense line
I think you're spot on. I felt pretty certain he would do his obligatory one year in Durham. He has to do it somewhere. Why not at a school that is already loaded and will now be favored to win it all? I have zero problem with it.
I do hope he's a bust but he appears to be an AD type impact player.
I agree. Our two programs carry the league on their backs.
You talked about delivering on the 1 & done premise in the post I was replying to. Delivering in a 1&D premise indicates to me that something was done differently at duke that other programs or staff would not have done. I promise ya, I will not take credit for the sun coming up this morning, that was going to happen no matter what I did. Great coaching or poor, most top 5's rated HS recriuits are just going to be NBA fist round players no matter who the college coach is. So taking credit for or attributing credit to K and/or duke for things that any coach in the country would do is fluff & puff, pretty darn dukie like. LOL
I literally said the exact same thing regarding development of elite prospects in the post you replied to.
Cool, then you would agree that the premise (promise) is not always delivered on at duke, kinda was my point ya see...
You are right, some kids are just ready made....you can however take some credit in the tutelage that was given and the experiences that being at that particular program allowed to make happen imo
You could say that, but Jesus tell me what school a player can go to and 100% guarantee they don't suck. A player's expectations not coming to fruition literally happens every year at every school. Right now though, Duke hits on getting elite kids a high draft pick more than arguably any other school though, regardless of it's shortcomings. No wonder Bagley went there, which was the point of my original post... Thought all this went without saying, apparently not.
This is another one of those deals where it wouldn't matter what school he went to as he would be a 1AD from any school .. could be the only reason he ended up at duck is that it's a private school and for him that's the quickest path to the league with the least amount of scrutiny or resistance. jmho ...
He referred to ratty not keeping his promises, and getting drafted in the first round isn't the only promise made to recruits. IE: you will play the 3; you will be the heir apparent; I won't recruit over you; I care more about you than my legacy........
Wish Bagley luck in the pros and plenty of disappointment in college!
Wish Bagley luck in the pros and plenty of disappointment in college!
Yeah that CRACK NCAA staff is just about on the verge of asking just a FEW questions regarding the $70k Lance Thomas scam that Vader and dook have covered up now for almost 8 years
Wait oh no that is not happening... its dook you know
Wait oh no that is not happening... its dook you know
MY POINT is you are so willing to heap credit on K for doing such a wonderful job getting one & done players to the NBA after 1 season and yet shy away from it when proported 1&D guys are not able to. Yeah, I am sure K's magic was all that was needed to get Harry Giles to the NBA,k funny how Giles didn't do squat while at duke. Yeah, had to be the magic of K that got talents like Tatum, Ochafor, Ingram to the NBA after a single college season, why Kyrie Irving must owe his entire career to K for coaching him that what, half a season?
What magic did K impart on Tatum/Ochafor/Ingram ect, that he didn't place on Jeter or Thorton or even Tripster for that matter? Continue to enjoy being either 1 or 2 in the recruiting tourney while we enjoy being national champions of the NCAA and being in back to natty Natty games and doing so without the NCAA giving us sweetheart seedings so we actually earned it more than being handed it.
Do you purposely misspell Okafor or is that some type of dig that I'm not getting? Anyway it isn't some type of magic to take NBA talent and get them to the NBA, I don't think anyone actually believes that. I think it helps to put them in a position to showcase their skills, according to you Okafor wouldn't have started over a sophomore Meeks- while I doubt that would be true that's not showcasing talent. As far as the titles go, I could care less about how much talent Duke puts in the NBA and would prefer titles to recruiting victories. That said if you can do both that's fine too. I don't care for the OAD rule and would prefer only getting one or 2 every year and building around 4 year guys but anymore kids ranked in the top 30 think they're OAD so that has become difficult to do. You guys got to experience that last year with Bradley, we experienced it with Frank Jackson. It is what it is.
Jesus, you try and look at a recruit's decision from an impartial, rational perspective and all of a sudden you're being attacked by someone who writes novels regarding something you've actually already agreed to, believe it or not... almost a week after the fact.
Uh, who exactly said Ochafor would have not started ahead of Meeks? Did you just base your retort on something that no one said?
Now I do understand "As far as the titles go, I could care less about how much talent Duke puts in the NBA and would prefer titles to recruiting victories." I guess you have to take what you can get !!!
Okafor will certainly start over Meeks in the prison league! I understand he is dominating cell block D!
The OAD rule is ridiculous. It is only in place so the NBA can get one more year to evaluate their million dollar babies! As soon as the NBA, NBAPA, and NCAA actually start working together, we will see a better system that actually works for all parties, including the players!
You like your team and their system and I love mine. I hope UNC never goes all in for the Kentuck and puke route!
The OAD rule is ridiculous. It is only in place so the NBA can get one more year to evaluate their million dollar babies! As soon as the NBA, NBAPA, and NCAA actually start working together, we will see a better system that actually works for all parties, including the players!
You like your team and their system and I love mine. I hope UNC never goes all in for the Kentuck and puke route!
No I did not base my retort on something no one said, I based it off of something you said.
About as close as I can recall would maybe be a discussion before Ochafor frosh season, along the lines of it would not be a given but that it would have to be earned, maybe suggesting that oachfor may not start game 1 but that he would earn the role as the season got under way. That is not saying 1 guy would start while a more talented guy sits, it is just the fact that starting roles are earned at UNC, not given as inducement to commit.
LOL, yeah, is asking a lot for me to fully recall every single discussion I have been in. The poster seems so sure I said something I do not recall saying, would think that same poster would provide a link to refresh it. What I suspect is that the poster wanted to spin something I said in the past and claim it to say what they wanted me to say as opposed to what I actually did say. But I would be more than glad to discuss it if what I said can be linked so the words and the context of them can be made clear.
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