Let's Get this Class of 2020 Started!!

[FranktheHeel]

I thought I would get a thread going with some info on some 2020 recruits.

Mark Williams C and Henry Coleman SF, both from Virginia and are taking unofficial visits to UNC this weekend, traveling together.

Coleman plays on Team Loaded. Some things that stood out to me when reading about him was how a scout mentioned him being a very good communicator and always talking on the court. He is also very aggressive on the glass, good scorer and a very good defensively in the post and on the wing.

Williams is an intriguing prospect, listed at #48 in Rivals. He still is continuing to develop into his size and once he does look out. Williams is 6'10-6-11 now. He has good footwork, is able to run the floor well and blocks/alters shots at a high level.

Jaden Springer, #18 in ESPN top 25 and #13 in Rivals, is a SG from Charlotte,NC. He is a really good scorer, athletic and has a strong pull up game. He is planning to visit this weekend also, September 23rd.

Jalen Johnson G/F is a playmaker, he's a very good passer, and is sound fundamentally. He is listed as a PG in some sights, but will prob be a G/F, he is 6'6 and does have ability to score at a high level without the ball in his hands. He was visited by Roy on September 19th and this summer he expressed interest in UNC, really good sign from the #5 ranked player in rivals as #6 in ESPN.

Some links:


https://keepingitheel.com/2017/09/16/unc-basketball-pair-of-2020-recruits-to-visit-unc-next-weekend/

Let's also not forget about Isaiah Todd, a top prospect and Jonathan Jackson, Justin's brother, and Silas Mason whose names were mentioned in the past few months with UNC interest.

Always enjoy seeing new names come up on the prospect list. I can't wait to see who gets the first offer for 2020!! Jump Around for our Future Heels!!

 

[Archer2]

Good thread. Appreciate the info. I knew about a couple of these guys but am always glad to hear recruiting scuttlebutt. Now I know who to keep an eye on.

 

[DSouthr]

Todd is fantastic and I love where we are for him, IF HE PLAYS COLLEGE BALL!

2020 could be the first class where guys can bypass college and go straight to the NBA once again.

 

[dadika13]

Todd is fantastic and I love where we are for him, IF HE PLAYS COLLEGE BALL!

2020 could be the first class where guys can bypass college and go straight to the NBA once again.

Such a good point Dave.

All the writing on the wall says the new CBA will let guys go straight to the league, greatly influencing this class.

If Jonathan Jackson develops into a player, I'd be surprised if we don't get an early commit from him. Justin will be one of UNC's ambassadors for many years to come and I'm sure he's in Jonathan's ear already.

 

[dadika13]

I thought I would get a thread going with some info on some 2020 recruits.

Mark Williams C and Henry Coleman SF, both from Virginia and are taking unofficial visits to UNC this weekend, traveling together.

Coleman plays on Team Loaded. Some things that stood out to me when reading about him was how a scout mentioned him being a very good communicator and always talking on the court. He is also very aggressive on the glass, good scorer and a very good defensively in the post and on the wing.

Williams is an intriguing prospect, listed at #48 in Rivals. He still is continuing to develop into his size and once he does look out. Williams is 6'10-6-11 now. He has good footwork, is able to run the floor well and blocks/alters shots at a high level.

Jaden Springer, #18 in ESPN top 25 and #13 in Rivals, is a SG from Charlotte,NC. He is a really good scorer, athletic and has a strong pull up game. He is planning to visit this weekend also, September 23rd.

Jalen Johnson G/F is a playmaker, he's a very good passer, and is sound fundamentally. He is listed as a PG in some sights, but will prob be a G/F, he is 6'6 and does have ability to score at a high level without the ball in his hands. He was visited by Roy on September 19th and this summer he expressed interest in UNC, really good sign from the #5 ranked player in rivals as #6 in ESPN.

Some links:

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https://keepingitheel.com/2017/09/16/unc-basketball-pair-of-2020-recruits-to-visit-unc-next-weekend/

Let's also not forget about Isaiah Todd, a top prospect and Jonathan Jackson, Justin's brother, and Silas Mason whose names were mentioned in the past few months with UNC interest.

Always enjoy seeing new names come up on the prospect list. I can't wait to see who gets the first offer for 2020!! Jump Around for our Future Heels!!

Real nice thread FTH.

I don't know if it's players thinking less and less that we'll be punished by the NCAA, if it's our recent success, if it's Roy doing something (probably a combo of all 3) but we are doing some great things in the 2018 and 2019 classes. It seems to carry over to a strong start to 2020.

Past, present, and future are bright folks.

 

[gthreadgill7929]

Was watching PSB Select over the summer and I would want to look out for PF Justice Ajogbor. He's listed at 6'10, lengthy, and athletic. Still no where near done growing, but he could very much end up at 6'11 or better. Justice was offered by Auburn, Tenn, Miss St, UConn, and Maryland the past 2 days. Unpolished product but the dude is a man amongst boys. Really hope the dude's stock starts rising at we inch closer to 2020, would really hope Roy gets a glimpse of him.

 

[RoseHeel]

Frank pretty much said all that needs to be said.

With the NCAA crap potentially nearing an end, recruiting is returning to its norm as many believed it would. Winning a title just pushed our stock through the roof/ceiling.

If there is little to no damage from the NCAA in terms of sanctions, we could see continuous recruiting success over the next couple of years. And we all know what Roy can do with elite talent

The sun is shining through those cracks in that dark cloud.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Thanks for the info!

I say take 'em all and sort out the positions later!

 

[FlaTarHeel]

Todd is fantastic and I love where we are for him, IF HE PLAYS COLLEGE BALL!

2020 could be the first class where guys can bypass college and go straight to the NBA once again.

I would prefer 2 and through, but I guess anything is better than 1 and done.

 

[imajericho]

Only way I see going straight to the nba happening is if there is some concessions from the players association. Such as more games or capping players lower.

 

[Heels5150]

If they implement straight from high school to the NBA they are literally going backwards. Don't get me wrong one and done is stupid and hurting the game, coaches, players, parents and just about everyone involved. I believe college coaches should not have to waste their time by recruiting kids who are going to go straight to the NBA. Meaning if you accept recruiting then you can't go straight to the NBA and you have to play a minimum of two years in college. Please do not misunderstand my point. I do not blame these kids for seeking millions of dollars. But, the NCAA and NBA have to put rules in to protect the game and young men.

 

[pln2013]

If they implement straight from high school to the NBA they are literally going backwards. Don't get me wrong one and done is stupid and hurting the game, coaches, players, parents and just about everyone involved.

The NBA and college basketball are in a great place right now. I'm not sure what the problem is.

I believe college coaches should not have to waste their time by recruiting kids who are going to go straight to the NBA.

Well, they don't have to. Some choose to, and that's their prerogative.

Meaning if you accept recruiting then you can't go straight to the NBA and you have to play a minimum of two years in college. Please do not misunderstand my point. I do not blame these kids for seeking millions of dollars. But, the NCAA and NBA have to put rules in to protect the game and young men.

Protect from what?

 

[Heels5150]

The NBA and college basketball are in a great place right now. I'm not sure what the problem is.



Well, they don't have to. Some choose to, and that's their prerogative.



Protect from what?

Washing out. Watering down both brands. Jumping in before you are mentally, physically and coached enough to be a professional player. The rigors and training to be an NBA athlete.

 

[dadika13]

While the NBA is in a great place right now, I think most would agree that two glaring issues are the lottery system (tanking) and the one/done rule.

Adam Silver fixes issues. I expect this to get handled in the next CBA.

 

[Heels5150]

While the NBA is in a great place right now, I think most would agree that two glaring issues are the lottery system (tanking) and the one/done rule.

Adam Silver fixes issues. I expect this to get handled in the next CBA.

I agree with you about the CBA. I do think however that the NBA can be in a much better place as well as college. I just believe that the quality can be better. Now do not get me wrong if my son is a #1 recruit. I would tell him you have to go...... you are not ready and you will miss the college experience. Lol. ( which is not for everyone). It is basically saying you can win the actual lottery now or wait two years and you can win it then probably more but possibly less or not at all. But I do get your point and I respect it immensely. I value a few people's opinion on this site more than others. You are one of them. As I am sure a lot of us do as well. We are all Tar Heels!!!!!!! Family for life

 

[dadika13]

I agree with you about the CBA. I do think however that the NBA can be in a much better place as well as college. I just believe that the quality can be better. Now do not get me wrong if my son is a #1 recruit. I would tell him you have to go...... you are not ready and you will miss the college experience. Lol. ( which is not for everyone). It is basically saying you can win the actual lottery now or wait two years and you can win it then probably more but possibly less or not at all. But I do get your point and I respect it immensely. I value a few people's opinion on this site more than others. You are one of them. As I am sure a lot of us do as well. We are all Tar Heels!!!!!!! Family for life

Thanks man, appreciate the kind words.

So if my kid is the #1 recruit and he IS ready (and teams in the top 5 say they will take him), I'm telling him to go. SO many things can happen in 2 years with injuries.

If he has the option to make millions and then make more millions while fulfilling his lifelong dream, how can I say no to that?

The issue is the kids who are not ready and are going for the wrong reasons. You can never get rid of that though, you just have to make sure they have a great developmental program both on and off the court.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Pro sports are so physically dangerous and mentally demanding that I don't think kids should be allowed to go pro until they are old enough to fight in foreign wars or vote for president.

How old is that again?

 

[DSouthr]

Washing out. Watering down both brands. Jumping in before you are mentally, physically and coached enough to be a professional player. The rigors and training to be an NBA athlete.

I disagree that it would water down both brands, we are talking what, 10 kids or so from each class? Now if you are a duke or Ky fan yeah, it will hurt and especially hurt for the 1st couple years because not only will you see your current crop of 1 and dones leave but you will see your recruits leave as well. Those programs have relied on out talenting to win for the last several years so to have to go back and develop players like Roy has done, is not an easy thing.

The college game will go on with or without the 1&D kids because in the college game we cheer for the teams more than the individual players. Some schools will have to adjust, coaches will have to adjust but the college game is designed so that you have to adjust to losing players and I would suggest it is harder to lose a player than to lose a kid you never had in the first place. Coaches will just have to figure out who they should and should not recruit but most do that anyway already.

The NBA, IDK if it can get any more watered down than it is, fans may enjoy it and if they do then it really will not matter if a kid plays in college or not, they will still draft on potential. What would help the NBA game over all IMO would to be burned a few times by drafting kids right out of high school and maybe convince themselves to stop doing that but the risk flyer they take on draft picks is very cheap for them with the rookie salary cap structure so they can afford to make mistakes and not really worry that much.

 

[DSouthr]

Pro sports are so physically dangerous and mentally demanding that I don't think kids should be allowed to go pro until they are old enough to fight in foreign wars or vote for president.

How old is that again?

I think the NBA should draft them right out of elementary school, haha, can't ya just see the NBA going to a must be out of pampers rule! LOL

 

[RoseHeel]

While the NBA is in a great place right now, I think most would agree that two glaring issues are the lottery system (tanking) and the one/done rule.

Adam Silver fixes issues. I expect this to get handled in the next CBA.

This.

Unrelated, but it's really great for the league to have a leader who's willing to try new and bold things. Heard he's also looking into legalizing sports gambling. Would've been unheard of in David Stern's time.

 

[Kadyn930]

Jaden Springer is the top player in NC in his class and he a year younger than most.... Dad and brothers are 6”7 to 6”8 range very good player.

 

[Heels5150]

I disagree that it would water down both brands, we are talking what, 10 kids or so from each class? Now if you are a duke or Ky fan yeah, it will hurt and especially hurt for the 1st couple years because not only will you see your current crop of 1 and dones leave but you will see your recruits leave as well. Those programs have relied on out talenting to win for the last several years so to have to go back and develop players like Roy has done, is not an easy thing.

The college game will go on with or without the 1&D kids because in the college game we cheer for the teams more than the individual players. Some schools will have to adjust, coaches will have to adjust but the college game is designed so that you have to adjust to losing players and I would suggest it is harder to lose a player than to lose a kid you never had in the first place. Coaches will just have to figure out who they should and should not recruit but most do that anyway already.

The NBA, IDK if it can get any more watered down than it is, fans may enjoy it and if they do then it really will not matter if a kid plays in college or not, they will still draft on potential. What would help the NBA game over all IMO would to be burned a few times by drafting kids right out of high school and maybe convince themselves to stop doing that but the risk flyer they take on draft picks is very cheap for them with the rookie salary cap structure so they can afford to make mistakes and not really worry that much.

Interesting take you are another that I value your opinion. But I think the NBA already saw previously that this model did not work. Furthermore, the game has changed so much. Which I know you know. The beauty of basketball back in the 80's and early 2000's is gone. I cannot even watch the NBA hardly anymore. All I am saying is I am a hypocrite. I go on record and said if my so was a lottery pick out of high school he would have to go. But knowing that he would be more mature, physically and mentally and coached he would be better equipped to handle the rigors of the game. He would benefit from the colllege shell shock and more mature to be a professional. I think we can agree that we are better prepared at 20 then 18. But if the rules were more in line with the NFL. Go Heels !!!!!!!

 

[UNCFan2012]

Jaden Springer is the top player in NC in his class and he a year younger than most.... Dad and brothers are 6”7 to 6”8 range very good player.

Interesting point. He's not even 15 yet and is a sophomore in high school.

This is why I'm higher on Wendell Moore than most. He's a full year younger than most in his class.

 

[DSouthr]

Interesting take you are another that I value your opinion. But I think the NBA already saw previously that this model did not work. Furthermore, the game has changed so much. Which I know you know. The beauty of basketball back in the 80's and early 2000's is gone. I cannot even watch the NBA hardly anymore. All I am saying is I am a hypocrite. I go on record and said if my so was a lottery pick out of high school he would have to go. But knowing that he would be more mature, physically and mentally and coached he would be better equipped to handle the rigors of the game. He would benefit from the colllege shell shock and more mature to be a professional. I think we can agree that we are better prepared at 20 then 18. But if the rules were more in line with the NFL. Go Heels !!!!!!!

I totally agree, guys were much more prepared to play when they spend most of their 4yrs of college eligibility, 3yrs at UNC sure didn't hurt Jordan at all!

The NBA has just done so many things that really forced the game to become what it is. The rookie salary cap makes these kids jump to the league before they are really prepared for it but they know the average career span of a NBA player and realize those first 3-4yrs is a huge chunk of it. They also realize that the NBA will pay big for so so performance so the likelihood of a second contract is strong and that will be a times multiplier of the rookie deal.

The play get watered down so in the guise of speeding up the game they install a very short shot clock, keeps teams from having the time to get in to sets as they did in the days of the past, so it becomes a get past half court and throw up a trey and draw a foul while doing so by jumping in to a defender. So the players do not have to learn the game as they did in the past, it is now more a street ball game of chunking up bad shots or drive for a dunk and force a foul. The NBA game is not nearly as pretty as it once was and the way the NBA has gone to market itself it insures it isn't likely to revert back to the game I love.

 

[Heels5150]

I totally agree, guys were much more prepared to play when they spend most of their 4yrs of college eligibility, 3yrs at UNC sure didn't hurt Jordan at all!

The NBA has just done so many things that really forced the game to become what it is. The rookie salary cap makes these kids jump to the league before they are really prepared for it but they know the average career span of a NBA player and realize those first 3-4yrs is a huge chunk of it. They also realize that the NBA will pay big for so so performance so the likelihood of a second contract is strong and that will be a times multiplier of the rookie deal.

The play get watered down so in the guise of speeding up the game they install a very short shot clock, keeps teams from having the time to get in to sets as they did in the days of the past, so it becomes a get past half court and throw up a trey and draw a foul while doing so by jumping in to a defender. So the players do not have to learn the game as they did in the past, it is now more a street ball game of chunking up bad shots or drive for a dunk and force a foul. The NBA game is not nearly as pretty as it once was and the way the NBA has gone to market itself it insures it isn't likely to revert back to the game I love.

Nailed it! Could not agree more

 

[DSouthr]

Nailed it! Could not agree more

Also, you said you were a hypocrite because you would advise your own son to get to the league ASAP even if it means by-passing playing in college. I would absolutely do the same, it is not being a hypocrite, it is realizing the rules are what they are and simply making a business decision considering all the factors. I think to often we blame the kids or their parents, we do that as fans not involved with the kid personally. It isn't the kid or their family or even those "advising" both kid and family that are the blame for any of this, they are simply taking advantage of the rules as they exist.

Let's see, if they do away with the 1&D rule my kid can enter the NBA right out of high school and get locked in to a $1-$3 million dollar per year guaranteed contract for 3-4yrs. He can make $12million + endorsements or he can play 3-4yrs of college ball and get what a BS degree that many times is total BS? IDK, let me think about that, on the one hand I get a really cool piece of paper and on the other hand I get $12million, granted, really nice piece of paper but is it $12million nice? Let's see now, if the kid really wants to go to college, I am thinking he can afford to after making that $12million.

So by the time he would have finished his college eligibility he is out of the rookie salary cap time and can now sign that times multiplier second contract and tuck away many more millions, kid could easily make $50mil before age 30? Honestly, I may and do hate that fact as a fan but it is the reality these kids and their family have to clearly see and factor in their decisions.

As a fan, I hated Tony left early, as a person who loves the game I strongly felt he left way to early just from a ready to play at the level his ability should allow perspective. But as a mature adult that understands how many people in this country struggle their entire lives because of money and knowing he can insulate himself for his life as well as his children's lives from all of that before he is old enough to legally buy a beer, yeah, I darn sure understand it and can not blame him one bit.

That is not being a hypocrite, it is being a realist...

 

[Heels5150]

Also, you said you were a hypocrite because you would advise your own son to get to the league ASAP even if it means by-passing playing in college. I would absolutely do the same, it is not being a hypocrite, it is realizing the rules are what they are and simply making a business decision considering all the factors. I think to often we blame the kids or their parents, we do that as fans not involved with the kid personally. It isn't the kid or their family or even those "advising" both kid and family that are the blame for any of this, they are simply taking advantage of the rules as they exist.

Let's see, if they do away with the 1&D rule my kid can enter the NBA right out of high school and get locked in to a $1-$3 million dollar per year guaranteed contract for 3-4yrs. He can make $12million + endorsements or he can play 3-4yrs of college ball and get what a BS degree that many times is total BS? IDK, let me think about that, on the one hand I get a really cool piece of paper and on the other hand I get $12million, granted, really nice piece of paper but is it $12million nice? Let's see now, if the kid really wants to go to college, I am thinking he can afford to after making that $12million.

So by the time he would have finished his college eligibility he is out of the rookie salary cap time and can now sign that times multiplier second contract and tuck away many more millions, kid could easily make $50mil before age 30? Honestly, I may and do hate that fact as a fan but it is the reality these kids and their family have to clearly see and factor in their decisions.

As a fan, I hated Tony left early, as a person who loves the game I strongly felt he left way to early just from a ready to play at the level his ability should allow perspective. But as a mature adult that understands how many people in this country struggle their entire lives because of money and knowing he can insulate himself for his life as well as his children's lives from all of that before he is old enough to legally buy a beer, yeah, I darn sure understand it and can not blame him one bit.

That is not being a hypocrite, it is being a realist...

Thank you. I just used Tony Bradley as an example to my Buddy who is a diehard Tar Heel ( I hope there are no other kind). I told him pretty much the same thing on Tony's situation. You are correct it is the system. I just hope they fix the rules then go back and make the same mistakes. Either way as a parent it is an easy decision. Go Heels!!!!!!!

 

[RoseHeel]

Also, you said you were a hypocrite because you would advise your own son to get to the league ASAP even if it means by-passing playing in college. I would absolutely do the same, it is not being a hypocrite, it is realizing the rules are what they are and simply making a business decision considering all the factors. I think to often we blame the kids or their parents, we do that as fans not involved with the kid personally. It isn't the kid or their family or even those "advising" both kid and family that are the blame for any of this, they are simply taking advantage of the rules as they exist.

Let's see, if they do away with the 1&D rule my kid can enter the NBA right out of high school and get locked in to a $1-$3 million dollar per year guaranteed contract for 3-4yrs. He can make $12million + endorsements or he can play 3-4yrs of college ball and get what a BS degree that many times is total BS? IDK, let me think about that, on the one hand I get a really cool piece of paper and on the other hand I get $12million, granted, really nice piece of paper but is it $12million nice? Let's see now, if the kid really wants to go to college, I am thinking he can afford to after making that $12million.

So by the time he would have finished his college eligibility he is out of the rookie salary cap time and can now sign that times multiplier second contract and tuck away many more millions, kid could easily make $50mil before age 30? Honestly, I may and do hate that fact as a fan but it is the reality these kids and their family have to clearly see and factor in their decisions.

As a fan, I hated Tony left early, as a person who loves the game I strongly felt he left way to early just from a ready to play at the level his ability should allow perspective. But as a mature adult that understands how many people in this country struggle their entire lives because of money and knowing he can insulate himself for his life as well as his children's lives from all of that before he is old enough to legally buy a beer, yeah, I darn sure understand it and can not blame him one bit.

That is not being a hypocrite, it is being a realist...

Agreed 100% with this.

But careful on calling a Degree "B.S." Some folks on this board don't take too kindly to devaluing a piece of paper worth 50k in debt

 

[DSouthr]

Agreed 100% with this.

But careful on calling a Degree "B.S." Some folks on this board don't take too kindly to devaluing a piece of paper worth 50k in debt

Yeah rose, true true! LOL

But I will say, in a comedic manner yet making a serious point, anyone that tells me they would take the piece of paper over a sure fire guaranteed $12million would IMO have a BS degree, a Bachelor of Stupidity!

 

[gauchoheel]

Also, you said you were a hypocrite because you would advise your own son to get to the league ASAP even if it means by-passing playing in college. I would absolutely do the same, it is not being a hypocrite, it is realizing the rules are what they are and simply making a business decision considering all the factors. I think to often we blame the kids or their parents, we do that as fans not involved with the kid personally. It isn't the kid or their family or even those "advising" both kid and family that are the blame for any of this, they are simply taking advantage of the rules as they exist.

Let's see, if they do away with the 1&D rule my kid can enter the NBA right out of high school and get locked in to a $1-$3 million dollar per year guaranteed contract for 3-4yrs. He can make $12million + endorsements or he can play 3-4yrs of college ball and get what a BS degree that many times is total BS? IDK, let me think about that, on the one hand I get a really cool piece of paper and on the other hand I get $12million, granted, really nice piece of paper but is it $12million nice? Let's see now, if the kid really wants to go to college, I am thinking he can afford to after making that $12million.

So by the time he would have finished his college eligibility he is out of the rookie salary cap time and can now sign that times multiplier second contract and tuck away many more millions, kid could easily make $50mil before age 30? Honestly, I may and do hate that fact as a fan but it is the reality these kids and their family have to clearly see and factor in their decisions.

As a fan, I hated Tony left early, as a person who loves the game I strongly felt he left way to early just from a ready to play at the level his ability should allow perspective. But as a mature adult that understands how many people in this country struggle their entire lives because of money and knowing he can insulate himself for his life as well as his children's lives from all of that before he is old enough to legally buy a beer, yeah, I darn sure understand it and can not blame him one bit.

That is not being a hypocrite, it is being a realist...

Very nice post here. Totally agree.

As for the NBA, I don't know what you guys are talking about. The game is as good as ever. Alright, alright, I'll get off your lawn!!

 

[Ozheelfan]

Nice chat... so how's the 2020 class going?

 

[FlaTarHeel]

Make it happen Sheed!

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Can't wait til Stackhouse is coach with Sheed as his lead recruiter! (obviously 10 years from now after Roy gets us at least 3 more Nattys)

Close the deal big fella!