Longo headed to Wisconsin.. So long Drake..
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I can assure you that Longo leaving has zero impact on Drake. If he leaves it won't have anything to do with Longo.
Yea, that wouldn't make any sense. He's going to have a new OC regardless of if he stays or leaves. Might be in the minority but I think this works out for all parties.
Rats leaving a sinking ship. Longo had much better success than our DC had, despite a mediocre OL. Our program is unraveling before our eyes. I’m for canning the entire staff and starting all over. It will be verrrry interesting to see who his replacement will be.
At least until he was in the red zone
So that will be Bicknell’s 5th school in last 5 years??
Plus he was OL coach at Ole Miss with Phil
Ole Miss in 2019, Auburn in 2020, Louisville in 2021, UNC in 2022 and now Wisconsin in 2023. He has his realtor on retainer.
Bubba? How much longer does Mack have. Can’t smooze his way out of this 🔥. The big money 💰 donors may force him to take a higher role and give up HC. Build this staff over again. If Bubba wants to save his ash he may need to force some big changes asap.
Surely there are some OC's out there that are much better in the RZ and can utilize a Heisman QB to execute their offense. I gotta believe that having a Heisman contender would be a huge draw for an OC that knows WTH he's doing.
I think Sconny is getting two guys that couldn't make it work at a mediocre ACC football program with 2 former NCAA National Champion coaches and a Heisman QB.
I think Sconny is getting two guys that couldn't make it work at a mediocre ACC football program with 2 former NCAA National Champion coaches and a Heisman QB.
Longo knows that Fickle is a DC guy, and a very good one. The natural assumption is that Fickle can take care of the D side and allow him to run wild with Wisconsin's offense. Clearly Fickell wants more passing than Wisconsin traditionally has done.
I imagine he'll be kept around in case the money guys want to get rid of Mack. They'll need a fall guy. Although, if Hubert doesn't pick it up they might use Bubba for that one.
Top OCs who want to work for Mack at his age and his obvious level of underachieving per the talent he has on hand? Going down with an old coach over the hill is not anybody's dream.
Many of the biggest money boosters are basketball-firsters, and they love Mack. They'd be happy tomhave him at age 80 as long as he wins at least 5 games per year.
I know Longone just left ... any thoughts or word on street of a possible replacement... just curious.. I know it probably won't happen till bowl season is over
I don’t have any inside information but the timing of all this along with other things that have transpired lead me to believe Seth Littrell could be a name to watch…. I had seen Longo mentioned a couple of different places but Wisconsin wasn’t one of them
Littrell needs a job, but why do you assume that his having been here under Fedora means he wants to work for Mack? He now has been fired as HC of a lesser G5 school. He needs to be a very good OC again to get another HC shot. Is it a good move for him to get hitched to Mack Brown at his age?
Considering Mack's age and proven inability to win unless he has more talent that his foe, just which guys who are obviously better than Littrell do you think would love to get tied to Mack right now?
Longo is not returning to his home school or state or conference. He is not going to work for a friend he has worked with before. Longo is getting away from what could be a train wreck that could take out everybody on the Mack staff.
This program is in a very vulnerable spot. And it should not be a big surprise. Unless Mack were hired with limits on how long he could stay (no more than 5 years is what I think should heave been the limit), his ego was certain to mean that he would cause problems as divisive for the fan base and as lasting as he did his final 4 years in Austin.
Obviously better? Can't really know for sure. But I would hope we could do better than him. If that's the best hire we can make, we should probably just shut down the program.
Longo and Fickell have been friends for years ever since Phil applied for the Cincy job. Wiscy has struggled at QB for years and Phil being able to bring Criswell with him, who obviously already knows Phil’s scheme, is/was a huge bonus. Also making more $ and playing in a conference with a B1G future ahead was a plus.
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Longo has been very good. Not great considering the talent he’s had, but quite good nonetheless. The DC position is of much bigger concern to me. What a dumpster fire!
I don't get the Mack bashing. Yeah, it's been frustrating but we still won the Coastal, won 9 games, and despite the poor showing, played for the ACC title, and we have a lot of good players that just haven't completely gelled.
Plenty of talented programs underperform, especially during a rebuild.
Mack wasn't involved with the program pre 1990, so woad is going to bash him. We could hire Saban to be our coach tomorrow and woad would find something to complain about.
I think they hired Mack, the first time, in 87 or 88-ish. It was after I flunked-out, lol. But, he sucked in the late 80s.
Ummm... YES!
I wonder if he found reasons to shit on Dick Crum in 1980! Or, at least before or after 1980! My dad sure loved to criticize Crum! He loved Bill Dooley... I think because they shared the same first name! lol
AS Mack has spent most of his time with the press not talking about how bad the D is but talking about how the offense needs to improve intros and that, perhaps we then need to focus on Mack as the problem.
My view that Crum needed to go started in 1985. In 1984, UNC slipped to 5-5-1. That was bad, but in 1985, the record was 5-6. Back to back off years without at least a winning team was a bad sign. I hoped that UNC would replace Crum after the '85 season.
In '86, the team was 7-4-1, which was a slight but welcome improvement. Then in '87 the team dropped back to 5-6, and then Crum was fired.
Then Mack produced back to back 1-10 teams, all the while claiming he was left with no talent at all and a team with no discipline and no fight. Mack was expert at making excuses for himself from the start. I wasn't opposed to Mack being hired the first time, because he rebuilt Tulane in 3 years to a bowl team. That was not an easy thing then, or now. But Mack immediately made the UNC program worse, and used his sweet tongue to lead people to believe that Crum was responsible for that much crap for 2 years after Crum was gone, stuff MUCH worse than Crum produced. So I have not trusted Mack to be honest with himself or others since then. Mack is a tireless self-promoter, and such people tend to lose sight of actual truth as they sell, sell, sell.
I would not want Saban hired now because of his age. He has no time left to rebuild a program. But I would have loved Saban to be at UNC even before his LSU days, because I saw what he could do at Michigan St. I knew the guy would eventually win big. He had all the old school grit and smarts. He clearly was a next generation version of the Bear Bryant and Woody Hayes basic types: total attention to detail with unrelenting focus on team discipline - no soft soap about anything.
The gift of hindsight makes anyone sound like they're brilliant at predictions. "I always knew that Tom Brady was going to be the best QB in NFL history!"
I assume your dad knew what UNC football was before Dooley, and that is the reason that everybody who knew those bad years and truly cared about UNC football loved Dooley. The program was literally filled with people who felt it wasn't worth trying , and Dooley changed all that. If he had been given full. backing, I think he would have had a great shot to make UNC football what Clemson become in 1981.
I didn't. I did think he was the better Michigan QB at the time. He and Drew Henson split time, with Henson playing a bit more because he was a phenomenal all around athlete. But I would not have guessed that Brady would have had that Pro career.
sigh... I used Brady as an arbitrary example of... never mind. I should have my face chewed off for arguing with you.
