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Ok, so by now you've heard Eminem's weak battle rap against Trump. If not, I've poasted it below. But now everybody is having some fun at Marshall's expense. I just saw this video from Donnie Baker this morning and I couldn't stop laughing. He keeps putting an "s" on the end of his name. lol

Anyway, thought y'all might get a kick out of this.



Now here's Donnie's commentary.



Then there's this Info Wars reporter that rips Marshall.



And even this preacher is getting in on the fun.

 
Haven't seen the weak one, but I've seen the one where he destroys Trump. It aired on the BET awards.

What? You thought it was good? It barely rhymed. Look, as you know, I'm kind of an authority on rap music and I declared it garbage. Not because of the content. I've been listening to uninformed street rats for years talking out of their ass. And I've always thought M&M was an incredible lyricist. But that shit was bunk. Completely missed the mark. He needs to stick with talking about murdering his baby momma. That shit works for him.
 
Look, as you know, I'm kind of an authority on rap music and I declared it garbage.
You think you are, but you're not. Just because you know a lot of rappers and their songs doesn't make you an authority. You have to understand what they are saying and doing. You've proven that you don't with this one and when you said Kendrick wasn't good. Those are just two examples that pop into my head. I could go back and find several more.

But that shit was bunk because it made fun of Trump and I act like a whiney bitch when people make fun of Trump.
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You think you are, but you're not. Just because you know a lot of rappers and their songs doesn't make you an authority.

I'm sure we can find a way to settle this. You come up with the game and I'll slay you.

You have to understand what they are saying and doing.

Yeah, he's sooo deep and his concepts in the song are so hard to grasp. Let me see if I can nail it. Marshall, a white rapper is attempting to be the mouthpiece for blacks. And even though he's showed himself to be a misogynist on historical levels, repeatedly made fun of gays and lesbians and has exhibited racism against Asians, he now is acting as some moral compass because he wants to look like he's "down" with the brothers? Please.

He's a parrot - simply repeating the talking points of the left. Like I said, I've always respected his skill as a lyricist but I never really got into his music because I suspected he was a poser. This frail attempt at "destroying" Trump confirms my suspicions.

You've proven that you don't with this one and when you said Kendrick wasn't good. Those are just two examples that pop into my head.

His cadence is garbage. I guess his content is of average west coast levels which is far behind the east coast stuff, but there's no rhythm and his shit is choppy and lacks good flow. Plus, his voice sounds like he's an 11 year old girl so it's hard for me to take him seriously.

Those are just two examples that pop into my head. I could go back and find several more.

Please, by all means, find some more so I can set you straight on that too. I think you once said that Ja Rule was a good rapper. lol. I can't even...
 
I'm sure we can find a way to settle this. You come up with the game and I'll slay you.
This makes no sense.

Yeah, he's sooo deep and his concepts in the song are so hard to grasp.
I was talking in general, not just him.

Marshall, a white rapper is attempting to be the mouthpiece for blacks. And even though he's showed himself to be a misogynist on historical levels, repeatedly made fun of gays and lesbians and has exhibited racism against Asians, he now is acting as some moral compass because he wants to look like he's "down" with the brothers?
Ok, after reading this I might see what the real problem is. He specifically says in the rap that it's crazy how someone like him (who has done the things you mention) is better than the president when it comes to being a "moral compass." That means either you didn't actually listen to it or you didn't understand it. Both support my original argument that you don't know what you are talking about.

He's a parrot - simply repeating the talking points of the left.
Why do you keep proving my point for me?

His cadence is garbage. I guess his content is of average west coast levels which is far behind the east coast stuff, but there's no rhythm and his shit is choppy and lacks good flow.
See above.

Please, by all means, find some more so I can set you straight on that too. I think you once said that Ja Rule was a good rapper. lol. I can't even...
I believe that was @Blue2010 that said that, not me.
 
This makes no sense.

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I was talking in general, not just him.

You're backtracking but for the sake of argument, let's say I believe you actually meant that. So what? What difference does it make. Rap music is as basic as any kind of music there is. It's all surface level shit. That's part of what makes it entertaining. There are very few rappers that have any depth to their lyrics. You'll find most of them in the early to mid 90s Afrocentrism era.

Ok, after reading this I might see what the real problem is. He specifically says in the rap that it's crazy how someone like him (who has done the things you mention) is better than the president when it comes to being a "moral compass." That means either you didn't actually listen to it or you didn't understand it. Both support my original argument that you don't know what you are talking about.

I've listened to it. What's the point you're making? What's the point he's making? Yes, he has been a misogynist and racist. So by him acknowledging it, we're all supposed to forget about it and see him as some moral compass? That's retarded. "Hey, hey, I talk about murdering and raping women. But I've seen the error of my ways. Now I'm a good person and y'all should care about what I have to say. hey, hey, hey."

Why do you keep proving my point for me?

I don't know what your point is. I don't think you know what your point is. It seems now you're just typing words for a poast and hoping that something makes sense. Please, what exact point did I prove by saying that M&M is simply parroting the left's talking points?

See above.

See what above? I gave real reasons why someone would consider KL's raps bunk. If you like, I could find evidence that others - in the business - feel the same. You've done nothing except disagree. Ok, so you like KL. Why? Critique his style for me. What exactly do you like?
 
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Nope. Suggesting a game to show you know, or more accurately don't know, makes no sense.

You're backtracking but for the sake of argument
I never backtracked.

I've listened to it. What's the point you're making? What's the point he's making? Yes, he has been a misogynist and racist. So by him acknowledging it, we're all supposed to forget about it and see him as some moral compass? That's retarded. "Hey, hey, I talk about murdering and raping women. But I've seen the error of my ways. Now I'm a good person and y'all should care about what I have to say. hey, hey, hey."
Again you prove my point by not even understanding what he is saying. He's not saying he is all of a sudden a good person. He is essentially saying it's crazy how someone who is like him (a person who does/says the shit he does) has a better "moral compass" than the president. You're trying to say the rap is "bunk" (side note, who says bunk anymore?) and you don't even know what he is saying. That's dumb.

I don't know what your point is. I don't think you know what your point is. It seems now you're just typing words for a poast and hoping that something makes sense. Please, what exact point did I prove by saying that M&M is simply parroting the left's talking points?
You're proving my point that the real reason you hate the rap is because it makes fun of Trump. If you replace Trump's name with Clinton then you would consider it to be the best rap of all time. Everyone knows that's why you don't like it. There's nothing wrong with admitting it.

See what above? I gave real reasons why someone would consider KL's raps bunk. If you like, I could find evidence that others - in the business - feel the same. You've done nothing except disagree. Ok, so you like KL. Why? Critique his style for me. What exactly do you like?
You gave reasons that a person would consider someone to not be a great rapper. Unfortunately they don't describe KL. Your opinion of him is not shared by the vast majority of people in the business who, unlike you, know what they are talking about.

Alright, I'm done with this conversation. Go ahead and reply with some more ridiculous bullshit and feel good about yourself for getting in the last word.
 
Pro tip for fans of M&M's. Next time you go to the movies, bring a bag of your preferred style of M&M and pour it into your popcorn. Shake until evenly distributed. Enjoy.
 
Go ahead and reply with some more ridiculous bullshit and feel good about yourself for getting in the last word.

I was going to anyway but thanks for the permission.

Nope. Suggesting a game to show you know, or more accurately don't know, makes no sense.

Sooo,...that's a no? You don't want to accept the challenge?

I never backtracked.

I say you did. You say you didn't. I believe me.

Again you prove my point by not even understanding what he is saying. He's not saying he is all of a sudden a good person. He is essentially saying it's crazy how someone who is like him (a person who does/says the shit he does) has a better "moral compass" than the president. You're trying to say the rap is "bunk" (side note, who says bunk anymore?) and you don't even know what he is saying. That's dumb.

I've already shown that I understand exactly what he's saying. And even if I was wrong, you're not pointing out where I'm wrong. We agree that he's in no position to boast about his moral compass, right? We also agree that he acknowledges it. What I'm saying is that whether Trump's moral compass is stronger or weaker, he's in no position to comment on it. Do we care what Charles Manson thinks of Hitler?

You're proving my point that the real reason you hate the rap is because it makes fun of Trump. If you replace Trump's name with Clinton then you would consider it to be the best rap of all time. Everyone knows that's why you don't like it. There's nothing wrong with admitting it.

That was not your original point. We were initially arguing the actual rap from a stylistic point of view. You said it was good. I said it was bad. Let's have a look at it:

First of all, he calls it a freestyle and it's anything but. But I'm not going to dwell on that. He starts off well. I like the first few rhymes.

That's an awfully hot coffee pot,
Should I drop it on Donald Trump? Prob'ly not,
But that's all I got 'til I come up with a solid plot.
Got a plan and now I gotta hatch it,
Like a damn Apache with a tomahawk,


Now here is where he starts going wack:

But we better give Obama props,
'Cause what we got in office now's a kamikaze,
That'll prob'ly cause a nuclear holocaust,
And while the drama pops,
And he waits for s--- to quiet down, he'll just gas his plane up
And fly around 'til the bombing stops.


The cadence is off and not in sync with the few rhymes he has here. I mean, if he wants to do spoken word poetry that's ok. But raps are supposed to rhyme. Or at least good ones do.

I actually like the next line even though it's kind of nonsensical. Trump's not a rapper so I doubt he'll respond with a battle rap of his own. He may tweet something though.

Intensities heightened, tensions are risin',
Trump, when it comes to givin' a s---, you're stingy as I am,
Except when it comes to having the balls to go against me, you hide 'em,
'Cause you don't got the f---ing nuts, like an empty asylum,



Moving on, I do dig the Fantastic Four reference where he ties in the "orange" and "rocks" in an obvious reference to The Thing. I doubt you picked up on that though. But when listening to this part, the flow is weak. The rhymes he wrote here are ok but his cadence doesn't do them any justice. By the time he gets back to the word "quicksand", you've forgotten about "disband" and "withstand". Too choppy.

Racism's the only thing he's fantastic for,
'Cause that's how he gets his f---ing rocks off and he's orange,
Yeah, sick tan,
That's why he wants us to disband,
'Cause he can not withstand,
The fact we're not afraid of Trump,
F--- walkin' on egg shells, I came to stomp,
That's why he keeps screamin', "Drain the swamp!",
'Cause he's in quicksand.


Next is the worst part of the rap. Too many approximate rhymes which is cool in poetry but not in raps - especially in a battle rap where you're trying to sound hard. Backwards, reaction, that, Nevada and rather - none of them rhyme. Just lame.

It's like we take a step forwards, then backwards,
But this is his form of distraction,
Plus, he gets an enormous reaction,
When he attacks the NFL, so we focus on that,
Instead of talking Puerto Rico or gun reform for Nevada,
All these horrible tragedies and he's bored and would rather,
Cause a Twitter storm with the Packers.


Next part of the rap is equally as bad as again, it doesn't rhyme.

Then says he wants to lower our taxes,
Then who's gonna pay for his extravagant trips,
Back and forth with his fam to his golf resorts and his mansions?
Same s--- that he tormented Hillary for and he slandered,


Again, no rhymes.

To try to give those a voice who don't have one,
He says, "You're spittin' in the face of vets who fought for us you bastards,"
Unless you're a POW who's tortured and battered,
'Cause to him, you're zeros,
'Cause he don't like his war heroes captured.
That's not disrespecting the military.


Then the end comes (thankfully). And this is the part where I can comment on the content of the rap. It's simply inaccurate and it's inaccurate in the same way that all the liberal Trump haters are getting it wrong. It's just lazy writing, err, as Marshall calls it, "freestyling."

F--- that! This is for Colin, ball up a fist,
And keep that s--- balled like Donald the b----,
"He's gonna get rid of all immigrants!"
"He's gonna build that thing up taller than this!"
Well, if he does build it, I hope it's rock solid with bricks,
'Cause like him in politics, I'm using all of his tricks,
'Cause I'm throwin' that piece of s--- against the wall 'til it sticks,
And any fan of mine who's a supporter of his,
I'm drawing in the sand a line, you're either for or against,
And if you can't decide who you like more and you're split,
On who you should stand beside, I'll do it for you with this: F--- you.


You gave reasons that a person would consider someone to not be a great rapper. Unfortunately they don't describe KL. Your opinion of him is not shared by the vast majority of people in the business who, unlike you, know what they are talking about.

I'd be happy to find some stuff from those in the business that feel the same as I do about KL. Or I can go through and pick apart one of his songs like I did Marshall's if you want. Just ask nicely.

Alright, I'm done with this conversation. Go ahead and reply with some more ridiculous bullshit and feel good about yourself for getting in the last word.

I never don't feel good about myself. But I especially do when I'm bending you over in a thread about rap music. Nice of you to oblige.
 
Pro tip for fans of M&M's. Next time you go to the movies, bring a bag of your preferred style of M&M and pour it into your popcorn. Shake until evenly distributed. Enjoy.
My youngest daughter likes to do that at home. I'm not trying to do that at the theater with a 5 year old though.
 
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Wouldn't the warm popcorn start to soften/melt the M&Ms and potentially cause a giant mess though?
It does soften the M&M’s but the candy coating keeps it from melting entirely. Now I’m a peanut m&m guy so I haven’t tried it with regular, I don't know how plain ones might be affected differently
 
I'm a huge Eminem fan. Huge. Absolutely hate the 'freetstyle' bc like Donnie Bakers said it's 'low hanging fruit'. But Em is so ****ing fluent. Me and him don't agree on politics probably but that's never stopped me from liking a person before and it won't now. He killed it.

I LOVE me some Donnie Bakers!!! State Law!
 
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What? You thought it was good? It barely rhymed. Look, as you know, I'm kind of an authority on rap music and I declared it garbage...
No.
It "barely rhymed" because it was a freestyle; as YOU know, a freestyle that goes on for that long isn't going to have every line rhyme (*see below). I don't know you as a poster, so I don't know if you were being sarcastic...but anyone calling himself/herself an "authority on rap music" should know that some of the best bars don't rhyme; as a matter of fact, that's like saying, "You thought that poem was good? It barely rhymed." Poems and songs don't need lines to rhyme to be good; that's laughable.

Eminem, like some other rappers, engage in "word play", and authorities on rap music know that. This is where words don't rhyme, but they're put together with a twist on their pronunciation. An example of wordplay from one of my favorite songs, "1st of tha Month" (mid '90s):

"Running' through the alley
Into the melee..."

"Alley" and "melee" don't rhyme, but Bizzy was using wordplay.
 
"...there's no rhythm and his shit is choppy and lacks good flow...
Again, because it was a freestyle. That's how freestyle sounds. Like spoken word...it sounds choppy and lacks good flow when compared to reading written poetry.

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Wow. I just saw that you had "But raps are supposed to rhyme. Or at least good ones do." That's a head scratcher and face palm all in one. The rapper, the poet--they have that artistic choice...that's why some good poetry doesn't rhyme. If you do believe yourself to be a rap authority, I know you are aware of some 90s rappers who slayed the game with bars that didn't rhyme.

As a matter of fact, some of Public Enemy's and Wu Tang's best received songs had lines that didn't rhyme.
And it wasn't a crime at that time.
But they still dropped the dimes, like KButter5.
That's Kendall Marshall, not Marshall Mathers.
One had a pass arsenal, the other went in on Trump like a catheter.
His urethra was aching, and he's asking for anthem respect like Aretha Franklin.
Find out what it means to me, spray Shout on the green field stain on Colin's knee.
You keep kneeling down, you're disrespecting us...but when Rosa sat and rode through town, was she really disrespecting the BUS?
 
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