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strummingram said:
... same as the Old Boss.

No change on the horizon after all.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/u...s-now-theyre-on-his-transition-team.html?_r=1

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/11/13587120/lobbying-trump-corruption


So much for looking out for "your interests." And, you'll get more obstruction than Obama got from the right.

Yay for the working man. You were taken yet again.
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Let's see who he appoints before you bust a nut. And also, I don't believe anything the New York Times publishes, so we will definitely have to wait.
 
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strummingram said:
Oh, I'm on pins-and-needles.

I hope- sincerely hope- he proves these publications wrong... again. Because, if he doesn't? It was all a charade.
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So if he doesn't and it was all a charade, then nothing changed so no harm done. But I'm pretty confident you will see changes, NYT predictions notwithstanding.
 
UNC71-00 said:
So if he doesn't and it was all a charade, then nothing changed so no harm done. But I'm pretty confident you will see changes, NYT predictions notwithstanding.
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I dunno if I'd go so far as to say "no harm done." But, you're right... nothing has changed.
 
UNC71-00 said:
At least give the guy a chance to actually get sworn in before you call him ineffective and more of the same. Otherwise it might seem like you have an agenda.
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I'm willing to give him a chance. From what I'm seeing, so far, it's not going to be "him" doing much of anything. Then again, I never heard any real plan or details.

I just wanted to share the information. When I saw the prospect of Treasury Secretary, I pretty much realized that the same establishment is firmly in place. Truth be told, I knew they weren't losing, no matter who won. They never have, and they PROBABLY never will. I think Sanders was who they feared most, and I'm not convinced Sanders was out of their reach. My biggest issue with Trump is the general attitude he exhibits as a person. He's thin-skinned and lacks humility. I'm sure he's awesome if you know him personally.
 
strummingram said:
I'm willing to give him a chance. From what I'm seeing, so far, it's not going to be "him" doing much of anything. Then again, I never heard any real plan or details.

I just wanted to share the information. When I saw the prospect of Treasury Secretary, I pretty much realized that the same establishment is firmly in place. Truth be told, I knew they weren't losing, no matter who won. They never have, and they PROBABLY never will. I think Sanders was who they feared most, and I'm not convinced Sanders was out of their reach. My biggest issue with Trump is the general attitude he exhibits as a person. He's thin-skinned and lacks humility. I'm sure he's awesome if you know him personally.
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and Obama is not thin skinned and lacks humility? Come on now!
 
strummingram said:
I'm not claiming to know anything. I'm providing information that indicates this.
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I think I'll give the man a chance to do his job before jumping to conclusions based a liberal rag.

Hillary went for a walk in the woods the other day. All indications were she was going to hang her hag self. Indications were wrong. Dammit.
 
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It all boils down to the money. Nobody wants the money to stay in politics more than rich people.
 
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uncboy10 said:
It all boils down to the money. Nobody wants the money to stay in politics more than rich people.
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That was another thing that puzzled me about Trump's appeal. Here's a guy who is awash in money. He's worked the system, helped manipulate the system, been perfectly fine with the way money in politics favors the very wealthy (which he clearly is)... and, somehow, the common people think he gives a sh*t about them? He doesn't even know them. Maybe the campaign experience has softened him and given him some kind of connection and feeling of obligation.
 
strummingram said:
That was another thing that puzzled me about Trump's appeal. Here's a guy who is awash in money. He's worked the system, helped manipulate the system, been perfectly fine with the way money in politics favors the very wealthy (which he clearly is)... and, somehow, the common people think he gives a sh*t about them? He doesn't even know them. Maybe the campaign experience has softened him and given him some kind of connection and feeling of obligation.
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Tribalism (of any stripe) pretty much runs the entire human brain at the subconscious level. It's really not that surprising if you've studied social psychology. People can convince themselves of damn near anything on a conscious level once the subconscious bias is in place. I have a cousin who is a great example of this on the left. She got so caught up in supporting Hillary that she became convinced that any critique of her was right wing propaganda. The only way to eliminate bias, is to be aware of it, and adjust accordingly. Unfortunately, very few Americans know a damn thing about bias and that makes them extremely susceptible to it.

And it isn't like Trump had some unprecedented appeal. Almost the exact same number of people have voted for the Republican nominee over the past 3 elections. But 8 million less people voted for Hillary than Obama in 2008, and 4 million less than in 2012. Trump didn't win the election so much as Hillary lost it.

Hillary was just a steaming garbage pile of a candidate. Especially in a time when people are pissed off about the corporate owned government and the inequity in our economy. People just don't show up to vote AGAINST another candidate. You just get one large scale bystander effect where people assume he can't win, because everyone else will vote against him. So they don't bother showing up to vote themselves.
 
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uncboy10 said:
Tribalism (of any stripe) pretty much runs the entire human brain at the subconscious level. It's really not that surprising if you've studied social psychology. People can convince themselves of damn near anything on a conscious level once the subconscious bias is in place. I have a cousin who is a great example of this on the left. She got so caught up in supporting Hillary that she became convinced that any critique of her was right wing propaganda. The only way to eliminate bias, is to be aware of it, and adjust accordingly. Unfortunately, very few Americans know a damn thing about bias and that makes them extremely susceptible to it.

And it isn't like Trump had some unprecedented appeal. Almost the exact same number of people have voted for the Republican nominee over the past 3 elections. But 8 million less people voted for Hillary than Obama in 2008, and 4 million less than in 2012. Trump didn't win the election so much as Hillary lost it.

Hillary was just a steaming garbage pile of a candidate. Especially in a time when people are pissed off about the corporate owned government and the inequity in our economy. People just don't show up to vote AGAINST another candidate. You just get one large scale bystander effect where people assume he can't win, because everyone else will vote against him. So they don't bother showing up to vote themselves.
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That about sums it up IMO.
 
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Here's a parallel. My colleague's husband is the head of IBM International security. Wonder how he got that job? It wasn't his college education, he didn't even attend college. It wasn't a relative, he is the only family member that works for IBM. It wasn't a frat buddy (see #1). Know why he got that job?

He spent his entire high school career in and out of juvy for hacking large corporate computer systems. Some charges were severe. IBM paid them off and hired him to keep out would-be hackers and he rose to be head of the whole international security team.

Who makes the most effective counselors for rehab? Former addicts.
Who make the best counselors for HS kids that are getting into trouble? Ex-Cons.
Who does AA use as mentors for recovering alcoholics? Other recovering alcoholics.

Not saying that is his plan, just saying it might be more effective than what it looks like.
 
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KramerDishDawg84 said:
Here's a parallel. My colleague's husband is the head of IBM International security. Wonder how he got that job? It wasn't his college education, he didn't even attend college. It wasn't a relative, he is the only family member that works for IBM. It wasn't a frat buddy (see #1). Know why he got that job?

He spent his entire high school career in and out of juvy for hacking large corporate computer systems. Some charges were severe. IBM paid them off and hired him to keep out would-be hackers and he rose to be head of the whole international security team.

Who makes the most effective counselors for rehab? Former addicts.
Who make the best counselors for HS kids that are getting into trouble? Ex-Cons.
Who does AA use as mentors for recovering alcoholics? Other recovering alcoholics.

Not saying that is his plan, just saying it might be more effective than what it looks like.
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This isn't like an alcoholic running an AA clinic. It's more like an alcoholic running the bar.
 
For the record, the NYT also predicted a MASSIVE Killary win ... up until 8:48pm last Tuesday night, that is.
 
Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
If I can pick who will be making my drinks, I'd be pretty happy with someone who is known to enjoy more than a few of their own.
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Sure. But if I owned a bar, and hired an alcoholic bartender, I'd expect some booze to go missing.
 
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