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Mental Toughness

montana_heel

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I really believe this team was around a top 15 team maybe even a touch higher except in for mental toughness.

They accepted being punched in the mouth to start games instead of doing the punching.

I am not made this way so I don't understand this mentality. If I can take away your will in a game, I will and not feel bad about it at all

Tell me one game, other than San Diego State, where we played a quality team and just jumped all over them. Yet we could be down big against very good teams and outplay them in the second half a good 10 to 20 points.

I don't understand it or know if it is a mindset that the coaching staff needs to put in place or if it is the players. I do know that this will be the norm until we get it solved.

I can take losing but the 1st half effort we witnessed this year has made me less of a fan. I am 57 and never thought I would be apathetic about watching Tar Heel basketball. Give me all out effort for forty minutes and I'm all in but what we have been watching is not even close to what made a guy from Montana a die hard Heel fan.

Here's to hoping we can get back to having a team that will be able to compete for the whole game. If not, I'm afraid UNC will find that more fans will be like I have been this year.
 
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HD took some licks from fans, but apart of our mental toughness was about HD making adjustments to each team because our lack of size. I am taking it we are considering saying "Mentally tough " because of the way we always mounted big come backs against Duke and Ole Miss. I give credit to HD for putting his team in positions to mount these comebacks.

I would call this team resilient more then Mentally tough. I liked cheering for this team, but I did criticize our mental errors throughout the season.
 
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Maybe not the right term. The point I'm trying to make is the skill was there. The scheme was there. We saw it in the second half quite a few times. Something mental about not bringing it to start the game.
 
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I think the team showed mental toughness coming back in so many games. They lacked mental preparation, which is more tied to coaching.
I agree they looked better as a natural instinct street ball team down 20 than they did as a start of game coached team

Then when the comeback is right there for the taking it yet becomes a coaching situation and we fall short
 
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I do speak my opinion on Hubert but at the same time when your playing with that frontline it’s next to impossible to succeed
 
I really believe this team was around a top 15 team maybe even a touch higher except in for mental toughness.

They accepted being punched in the mouth to start games instead of doing the punching.

I am not made this way so I don't understand this mentality. If I can take away your will in a game, I will and not feel bad about it at all

Tell me one game, other than San Diego State, where we played a quality team and just jumped all over them. Yet we could be down big against very good teams and outplay them in the second half a good 10 to 20 points.

I don't understand it or know if it is a mindset that the coaching staff needs to put in place or if it is the players. I do know that this will be the norm until we get it solved.

I can take losing but the 1st half effort we witnessed this year has made me less of a fan. I am 57 and never thought I would be apathetic about watching Tar Heel basketball. Give me all out effort for forty minutes and I'm all in but what we have been watching is not even close to what made a guy from Montana a die hard Heel fan.

Here's to hoping we can get back to having a team that will be able to compete for the whole game. If not, I'm afraid UNC will find that more fans will be like I have been this year.
Hubert as a player was quiet, anything but a vocal leader. He often played with some timidity, softness, as if he did not want to heard while doing well. I saw nothing different about him as Roy's hand picked assistant to replace him whenever Roy decide to step aside. Hubert is not made to be a fiery top level HC. He is made to be a soft spoken man.

If he is HC, Hubert requires a couple of assistants who have fiery personalities.
 
I think the team showed mental toughness coming back in so many games. They lacked mental preparation, which is more tied to coaching.
This is to me a really great discussion topic so kudos to montana for the way he presented it. I this this very topic may explain why things went sideways so often. I don't think it was just 1 single thing but a combination of things. I don't see it as a mental toughness thing, how can you be consistently less than mentally tough for as many first halves as we seemed to be and yet battle back so hard in nearly every game in the second half? If it is mental toughness it would be there for 40mins rather than 20?

It being pretty consistently a first half issue does scream preparation but how much of that is on the coaches and how much of it is on the players? Thru this season fans here have consistently laid blame for these poor first halves at Hubert's feet and he and his staff do deserve some of that. I suspect our film review breaking down both how we played last game as well as the tendencies of our next opponent is lacking, example a guy is far better when he drives left than right, then hedge him to take away his right hand drive. I recall one game where the commentator, may have been Cory Alexander, shared a guard was much better driving with his left hand and had just successfully drove and finished 3 straight times driving left to prove his point and wouldn't ya know on the very next set the very same thing happened? Our defenders should know, take away that guys left, hedge him right? You should not be learning this from being burned multiple times in the first half. That is on film review prep for a game, that is on the coaches for sure.

I am not convinced that the players always really understood what they were being asked to do and what they were being asked to do just kept changing. You must have consistency of message, consistency of a kid knowing exactly what he is supposed to do and yet we didn't even have a consistent starting line up til late season. It felt to often like our game plan was more let's try this and see if that works rather than this is our plan and it works as long as you execute it properly, perform your role, and trust your teammates to do theirs, the way Dean and Roy to a lesser extent coached. Some, far to many of those "lets try this" notions were just plain nutzs, just defied logic and common sense in my view. I mean come on now, starting a 6'6"205lb freshman at the power forward spot and someone on the planet Earth thought that would be a good idea? So one of the smallest teams in all of D-1 ball decides the thing to do to counter the fact we are so small is we start a 6'6" 205lbs power forward and a 6'6" wing, you don't solve a being small problem by getting smaller, you don't need any understanding of this game to realize how bat shit crazy that is. That is just 1 example of far to many that has to get handled this off season.

Yes, there is a lot of this on the coaches IMO but there is plenty on the players as well. First and maybe foremost, this team had very poor leadership on the floor, maybe the worst leadership I have seen since Matt was our coach. I watched a pod a few days ago with Theo and Justin Jackson, they look more at the players for these short comings than the coaches. They talked about taking their "vitamins" before practices, no not a pill, they were talking about players not doing the things they have to do outside of practice to be ready to play. Things like putting up all those shots a kid has to to over come poor in game shooting, to work on things like 2man games, passing to a sweet spot, ect. They spoke to showing up at practice a half hour before the start of practice and no player is out there on the court doing anything? This is poor leadership, that is on the players, specifically on the upper classmen but the freshmen should not have to be told, they should want to get better on their own, should have that kind of dedication already in them. The coaching staff is very limited in how much time they can spend with players in practice, the players have to take it that extra mile and that was not happening. 2 examples, both different but important, #1 Cadeau's jump shooting, was a major short coming for him as a freshman, you would expect last off season the kid would have lived in the gym putting up shots, like for example Joel Berry did after his freshman season of not being a great jump shooter, yet game 1 it was still the same Cadeau poor jump shooing? #2 JWash, was clearly in need of weight, dramatically needed to add bulk so he was not pushed around as much as he was his first 2 seasons and yet if the measure son this site are accurate he came in to this season at the very same weight be played at as a soph? Just a couple examples of sadly many that is completely on the players rather than the coaches. The ONLY player I saw this season that was to my eyes really improved coming in to this season was Seth, everyone else was about the same player they were the season before and even his jump shot was still very much lacking. That is on the players not the coaches. Gonna end this post on that note because the what to do about it has a ton of discussion points but you have to identify the real problem before you can fix it.
 
Hubert as a player was quiet, anything but a vocal leader. He often played with some timidity, softness, as if he did not want to heard while doing well. I saw nothing different about him as Roy's hand picked assistant to replace him whenever Roy decide to step aside. Hubert is not made to be a fiery top level HC. He is made to be a soft spoken man.

If he is HC, Hubert requires a couple of assistants who have fiery personalities.
No, what do you expect a coach to do, throw chairs across the court, go all Bobby Knight on his team, cuss them like drunken sailors like K did? If you didn't see Hubert fired up on the sidelines this whole season then we watched very different games. One of the most soft spoken, genuinely nicest men you would have ever met was coach Gut, Dean's right hand man and yet for my money the best teacher of how a big man has to play I have ever seen. Dean nor Gut, for as well, they didn't cuss their players nor where they any more animated than Hubert on the side lines.

To say that Hubert needs fiery personalities on the side lines tells me you don't know a darn thing about Jeff Lebo...
 
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I think the team showed mental toughness coming back in so many games. They lacked mental preparation, which is more tied to coaching.
I think this is pretty accurate. At least having players prepared and ready to play in the first 10 minutes.

I also think this team was soft for too many minutes in games against quality opponents. I’m not saying they were a soft team. But in the first half against too many teams, the opponents just ran whatever they wanted without any challenges.

Also, this team lacked a tone setter. Traditionally I thought UNC had a PG and a big who set the tone. They would throw the ball inside to the big and that sets the tone early that we’re going to play physically and impose our will. And the PG sets the tone by playing with pace.

This team didn’t have a big who was good enough to be a tone setter. And EC’s disposition is too inconsistent to be a tone setter right now. Last year it was Ryan, Ingram, and Bacot. You felt their presences early in games. Next year’s team needs that too.
 
No, what do you expect a coach to do, throw chairs across the court, go all Bobby Knight on his team, cuss them like drunken sailors like K did? If you didn't see Hubert fired up on the sidelines this whole season then we watched very different games. One of the most soft spoken, genuinely nicest men you would have ever met was coach Gut, Dean's right hand man and yet for my money the best teacher of how a big man has to play I have ever seen. Dean nor Gut, for as well, they didn't cuss their players nor where they any more animated than Hubert on the side lines.

To say that Hubert needs fiery personalities on the side lines tells me you don't know a darn thing about Jeff Lebo...
I actually think Hubert has plenty of fire. I think he’s much more of an emotionally driven coach than an x’s and o’s driven coach.

I’ll never doubt his passion for his job. I have several doubts about the actual coaching part of it.

But I understand other’s concerns there. It is commonly said that teams take the personality of their coach.
 
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