Michigan has become an SEC school

[WoadBlue]

I just had a friend living in CA email me that a friend of his is good friends with a UNC alum living out there in earthquake land who resoponded that way to the hiring of Harbaugh: he (my guess with upturned nose) said that Michigan spending that much money on a football coach made Michigan no better than an SEC school, and he now would look down on Michigan.

This is a guy earlier reported to me as saying that maybe the only way Roy can recruit with Calipari is if UNC makes him the highest paid coach in the country with the best paid staff.

Aw, the never-ending sanctimony of the basketball-first, often college football-hating, part of the UNC fan base.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Not surprising.

I'll just never understand so many UNC people's unabashed love of basketball yet stoic disinterest towards football. I mean, it ain't like we're a Top 10 basketball program anymore.....

 

[Littlejon]

I came to love UNC through basketball back in the 70's as a wee lad. Saw my first college game of any kind in Carmichael, followed by a couple of trips to some football games. Luckily I also got to see LT roaming the field at Kenan and through that came to love ALL UNC sports. I absolutely love watching the Tar Heel baseball team and even found myself watching the lady Tar Heel soccer team more than a few times as well.

I don't understand the one srport only mentality. I am blessed with a 14 year old freshman in HS who played football this past fall, is currently playing basketball and hopefully will make the baseball team as well. I know the day will come when he has to choose which one or maybe two to drop. I can't tell you how much I fear that day. I love sitting in the stands watching him catch passes as much as I do watching him run the point on the hardwood and field fly balls on the baseball diamond.

To me, limiting what you watch and allow yourself to enjoy makes you miss out on so much. I don't care if you absolutely hate baseball, no one in their right mind would argue the ACC championship game between UNC and the wolpfies a couple of years ago wasn't one of the best college games in history in any sport. Same could easily be said for some of the knock down, drag out dog fights with dook in basketball and even as bad as some of the Bunting led teams were, we saw some of the best games against the wolpfies we ever saw on the field.

I don't blame Meechigan for going after Harbaugh. He is an alum and a damn good coach and they knew that he would command a high price as well. To say they have become an SEC school may be meant as an insult, but to me it means they want, expect and aren't afraid to go after the brass ring. Good for them. Don't tell me those same snobs looking down on it wouldn't pull every excuse they could out of their arses if UNC were to go after the same kind of coach if/when Roy steps down.

 

[UNC_Blue]

Originally posted by Littlejon:
I came to love UNC through basketball back in the 70's as a wee lad. Saw my first college game of any kind in Carmichael, followed by a couple of trips to some football games. Luckily I also got to see LT roaming the field at Kenan and through that came to love ALL UNC sports. I absolutely love watching the Tar Heel baseball team and even found myself watching the lady Tar Heel soccer team more than a few times as well.

I don't understand the one srport only mentality. I am blessed with a 14 year old freshman in HS who played football this past fall, is currently playing basketball and hopefully will make the baseball team as well. I know the day will come when he has to choose which one or maybe two to drop. I can't tell you how much I fear that day. I love sitting in the stands watching him catch passes as much as I do watching him run the point on the hardwood and field fly balls on the baseball diamond.

To me, limiting what you watch and allow yourself to enjoy makes you miss out on so much. I don't care if you absolutely hate baseball, no one in their right mind would argue the ACC championship game between UNC and the wolpfies a couple of years ago wasn't one of the best college games in history in any sport. Same could easily be said for some of the knock down, drag out dog fights with dook in basketball and even as bad as some of the Bunting led teams were, we saw some of the best games against the wolpfies we ever saw on the field.

I don't blame Meechigan for going after Harbaugh. He is an alum and a damn good coach and they knew that he would command a high price as well. To say they have become an SEC school may be meant as an insult, but to me it means they want, expect and aren't afraid to go after the brass ring. Good for them. Don't tell me those same snobs looking down on it wouldn't pull every excuse they could out of their arses if UNC were to go after the same kind of coach if/when Roy steps down.

I think that's the point, most of them would turn hypocrite in 1/2 a second if we were to treat a BB coach that way. But FB is for neanderthals.

 

[gunslingerdick]

This is an amazingly unproductive and unnecessary thread. So bad I rate it negative 3 stars.




This post was edited on 12/30 11:35 AM by gunslingerdick

 

[WoadBlue]

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:
This is an amazingly unproductive and unnecessary thread. So bad I rate it negative 3 stars.




This post was edited on 12/30 11:35 AM by gunslingerdick

It is going to be unproductive because nothing will change - UNC basketball-onlys and basketball-firsters will remain what they are, and the UNC admionistration will continue to make certain that UNC basketball is among the best funded and pampered programs in the country while placing all blame for the probelms resulting from the 'professionalism' in college sports on football and thus justifying keeping a lid on UNC football.

That has been the pattern back to the hiring of Frank McGuire. Even the 'issues' under McGuire and Hickey's surprise great team could not alter the pattern. Dooley's successes could not alter the pattern, nor could Crum's, nor Mack's.

 

[PI Tiger]

Originally posted by WoadBlue:
I just had a friend living in CA email me that a friend of his is good friends with a UNC alum living out there in earthquake land who resoponded that way to the hiring of Harbaugh: he (my guess with upturned nose) said that Michigan spending that much money on a football coach made Michigan no better than an SEC school, and he now would look down on Michigan.

This is a guy earlier reported to me as saying that maybe the only way Roy can recruit with Calipari is if UNC makes him the highest paid coach in the country with the best paid staff.

Aw, the never-ending sanctimony of the basketball-first, often college football-hating, part of the UNC fan base.

People like that are the sole reason for so much animosity toward Chapel Hill from within the ACC, particularly the football centric schools. But you know that.

I can understand how he can find it distasteful to pay a football coach that much money, but at the end of the day it's a damn business. Takes it to make it.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by PI Tiger:
People like that are the sole reason for so much animosity toward Chapel Hill from within the ACC, particularly the football centric schools. But you know that.

Awesome. This thread is providing some insanely idiotic statements. This one is second only to THN11's comment that we aren't a top 10 basketball program.

I'll continue to rate the stupid comments in this thread. Carry on.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:

Originally posted by PI Tiger:
People like that are the sole reason for so much animosity toward Chapel Hill from within the ACC, particularly the football centric schools. But you know that.

Awesome. This thread is providing some insanely idiotic statements. This one is second only to THN11's comment that we aren't a top 10 basketball program.

I'll continue to rate the stupid comments in this thread. Carry on.

We aren't.

 

[PI Tiger]

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:

Originally posted by PI Tiger:
People like that are the sole reason for so much animosity toward Chapel Hill from within the ACC, particularly the football centric schools. But you know that.

Awesome. This thread is providing some insanely idiotic statements. This one is second only to THN11's comment that we aren't a top 10 basketball program.

I'll continue to rate the stupid comments in this thread. Carry on.

Been a long season, huh?

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Originally posted by PI Tiger:

Originally posted by WoadBlue:
I just had a friend living in CA email me that a friend of his is good friends with a UNC alum living out there in earthquake land who resoponded that way to the hiring of Harbaugh: he (my guess with upturned nose) said that Michigan spending that much money on a football coach made Michigan no better than an SEC school, and he now would look down on Michigan.

This is a guy earlier reported to me as saying that maybe the only way Roy can recruit with Calipari is if UNC makes him the highest paid coach in the country with the best paid staff.

Aw, the never-ending sanctimony of the basketball-first, often college football-hating, part of the UNC fan base.

People like that are the sole reason for so much animosity toward Chapel Hill from within the ACC, particularly the football centric schools. But you know that.

I can understand how he can find it distasteful to pay a football coach that much money, but at the end of the day it's a damn business. Takes it to make it.

PI Tiger, football-crazy UNC alums/fans like myself hate the aforementioned UNC types just as much as fans of other ACC schools hate them. Trust me.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:

Originally posted by PI Tiger:
People like that are the sole reason for so much animosity toward Chapel Hill from within the ACC, particularly the football centric schools. But you know that.

Awesome. This thread is providing some insanely idiotic statements. This one is second only to THN11's comment that we aren't a top 10 basketball program.

I'll continue to rate the stupid comments in this thread. Carry on.

We aren't.

Name the 10 that are better. Now, don't be a fool and just name teams that are ranked in the top 10. We're talking overall programs. I need to see your list.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by PI Tiger:

Originally posted by gunslingerdick:

Originally posted by PI Tiger:
People like that are the sole reason for so much animosity toward Chapel Hill from within the ACC, particularly the football centric schools. But you know that.

Awesome. This thread is providing some insanely idiotic statements. This one is second only to THN11's comment that we aren't a top 10 basketball program.

I'll continue to rate the stupid comments in this thread. Carry on.

Been a long season, huh?

Being a UNC football fan, every season is a long season.

Yep, that's right,...I'm a UNC football fan. I'm also a UNC basketball fan. And I'm also a UNC baseball, lacrosse, soccer and any other sport we play fan. But what I'm not is someone that tries to tell others the right and wrong way to be a fan. I'm also not someone that needs to tear down one sport to prop up another. I'm also a realistic person that knows that human nature dictates what fans will support. I'm smart enough to know that fans like winners. So tell Woad to get a message to the football team that if they start having the success that the basketball program has had, they'll see the same support.

 

[gteeitup]

dook
kentucky
kansas
michigan st
louisville
arizona
wichita st
vcu
wisconsin
uconn

do you want me to look at an ap top 10 ranking or is this good enough?

 

[Archer2]

Why must some of you pit our sports programs against one another? The inferiority complex re: football that some of you carry around with you is reminiscent of Wolpfack fans.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by gteeitup:
dook - agree
kentucky - agree
kansas - debatable but ok
michigan st - stop it
louisville - debatable
arizona - absurd, they've won nothing
wichita st - are you serious?
vcu - now you're just being silly.
wisconsin - see Arizona
uconn - agree

do you want me to look at an ap top 10 ranking or is this good enough?
No, you've proven my point well, thanks.

 

[Heels Noir]

ECU and NC State have better and more loyal football fans than Carolina. By a long shot.

That's how pathetic things are in Chapel Hill.

 

[gteeitup]

so go get your ap top 10 and list yours...i listed legit programs with great coaches, that have been title threats the last five years.

go ahead and gimmie your standards of what top 10 programs should consist of.

carolina is not a top 10 program in men's basketball, maybe not even in women's, maybe.

 

[gteeitup]

if you want to go back to the last 20 years, you've got me!

 

[notUNC71-00]

GTee- how far back are you going? 14 and 13 were so so years, but 12 and 11 were top tier.

 

[notUNC71-00]

Originally posted by Heels Noir:
ECU and NC State have better and more loyal football fans than Carolina. By a long shot.

That's how pathetic things are in Chapel Hill.

It all comes down to the tailgate in my opinion. It is damn near impossible to have a good tailgate in Chapel Hill, but easy at Moo and ECU. Those fans are going to the games regardless because of the party. Traffic is also manageable. Kenan and Chapel Hill suck for pre and post game.

 

[dgheel57]

Originally posted by gteeitup:
so go get your ap top 10 and list yours...i listed legit programs with great coaches, that have been title threats the last five years.

go ahead and gimmie your standards of what top 10 programs should consist of.

carolina is not a top 10 program in men's basketball, maybe not even in women's, maybe.

Oh No.the sky is falling,our poor bball program is doomed I tell ya...... just doomed. No matter how bad you think our bball program is,it'll never reach the level of the fball program.And before you respond,yes it's the schools fault for not getting serious years ago by hiring top tier coaches. I still think Butch would've turned this program around if a few if his players had kept their big mouth shut and stayed off of twitter.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by gteeitup:
so go get your ap top 10 and list yours...i listed legit programs with great coaches, that have been title threats the last five years.

go ahead and gimmie your standards of what top 10 programs should consist of.

carolina is not a top 10 program in men's basketball, maybe not even in women's, maybe.

So let me get this straight:

Wichita St, because of having 2-3 years where they came out of no where, didn't really win anything but because they were media darlings and were "shocking" the college basketball landscape, they are a better program than UNC?

Here's how you know this is a ridiculous notion. Ask Greg Marshall if his program is considered even in the same area code as UNC. I guarantee you he would be flattered, but would scoff at it. And then he'd gratefully take the UNC job if offered without hesitation. And 12 out of the 13 kids playing for Wichita would be playing at UNC if given the opportunity. The 13th would claim playing time as the reason he didn't jump at the chance.

I almost thought you were joking.

A program is measured by lasting impact. So you made some comment about going back 20 years, well, yeah, I will and it's completely understandable to do so. We're not talking about what teams have good win/loss records over the past 2-3 years. We're talking about what teams have been the best over the past 10-20 years, 20-50 years and all time. And there's a lot that factors in. For starters, to even be in the conversation with UNC, you have to at least won a national championship. So that eliminates a couple from your list. You have to consistently threaten to win your conference (and sorry, but unless you're in a P5 conference, you can forget it). You have to have All-Americans. You have to have players that transcended - players who even the most casual fans know. You have to consistently sign big time recruiting classes - have guys clamoring for spots on your roster. Sure, you can mention the recent strike outs but let's not forget that we have 3 freshman on the team who were all consensus top 25 players. You have to have a coach that's been around the block and won ALMOST 80% of his games. You have to have a wide spread fan base. You have to have a recognizable brand. You have to have fans that overreact to a couple years where we didn't make the final four (check).

If you have all of that, then you can be in the discussion. After entering the discussion, to be on level with the likes of the blue bloods, you have to have multiple championships - both national and conference. Then you have to have a gaggle of Final Fours, three or less losing seasons over the past 20 years, iconic players that won POY, and the general sentiment that you're a big time player in the history of the game. UK, KU, duke, UConn and Louisville are the only ones even in the discussion.


But yeah, VCU had a nice little run a couple years back.

 

[Heels Noir]

Originally posted by notUNC71-00:

It all comes down to the tailgate in my opinion. It is damn near impossible to have a good tailgate in Chapel Hill, but easy at Moo and ECU. Those fans are going to the games regardless because of the party. Traffic is also manageable. Kenan and Chapel Hill suck for pre and post game.

What I'm talking about has nothing to do with tailgating. I'm referring to their passion for their respective football programs which trumps ours every time. Of course it's no small coincidence that both of their basketball programs blow.

 

[gteeitup]

you think top 10 programs have years when they don't make the dance or lose before the sweet 16?...you think top 10 programs lose to non tournament teams at home?

the debate is carolina being a top 10 program right now...right now, imo, carolina is not a top 10 basketball program.

and of course greg marshall isn't going to compare programs...that's our job and right now, witchita st. looks better.

 

[UNC '92]

Originally posted by gteeitup:
you think top 10 programs have years when they don't make the dance or lose before the sweet 16?...you think top 10 programs lose to non tournament teams at home?

the debate is carolina being a top 10 program right now...right now, imo, carolina is not a top 10 basketball program.

and of course greg marshall isn't going to compare programs...that's our job and right now, witchita st. looks better.

You are out of your damn mind. If UNC basketball is not a top 10 program right now, Wichita St and VCU are not top 50. It's so ridiculous to try as hard as you did by putting those two programs ahead of UNC just to try and win an argument. They are not now, nor have they ever been, better basketball programs. They may have had a better year here and there, but they don't stand up to us over the last 10, 20, 30 or whatever amount of years you want to throw around. And it's not even debatable.

 

[UNC71-00]

Originally posted by Heels Noir:

Originally posted by notUNC71-00:

It all comes down to the tailgate in my opinion. It is damn near impossible to have a good tailgate in Chapel Hill, but easy at Moo and ECU. Those fans are going to the games regardless because of the party. Traffic is also manageable. Kenan and Chapel Hill suck for pre and post game.

What I'm talking about has nothing to do with tailgating. I'm referring to their passion for their respective football programs which trumps ours every time. Of course it's no small coincidence that both of their basketball programs blow.

My point is that their passion for their football team stems from being able to go to a game, lose and still have a great time and then repeat the following week.

 

[UNC71-00]

It gives me a good chuckle when imagining the steam coming out of Woad's ears as basketball gets debated on the football board.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Thanks gtee for doing a lot of the leg work.

Is Carolina a Top 10 program all-time? Yes.
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since the NCAAT expanded to 64? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since 1980? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since 1990? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program NOW in today's landscape? No.

Top 10 programs don't lose to Belmont at home. Period.

 

[UNC '92]

Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:
Thanks gtee for doing a lot of the leg work.

Is Carolina a Top 10 program all-time? Yes.
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since the NCAAT expanded to 64? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since 1980? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since 1990? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program NOW in today's landscape? No.

Top 10 programs don't lose to Belmont at home. Period.

What leg work? What other than his opinion can be qualified as leg work?

Hey man, I get it. You want football to be successful. So do I. I'm just not going to try to make ridiculous assertions like top 10 programs don't lose to inferior teams on their home floors or not making the sweet sixteen in a couple of years makes you not top 10. Our basketball program would have to be down much longer than that for us to not be top 10. I can even only remember one year since Roy has come where we were outside of the top 10 in recruiting. Teams who are not top 10 programs don't do that. Ask any recruit to name the top 10 programs right now and I guarantee you 99%+ have UNC in it.

If you are suggesting we aren't a top 10 team at the moment then that would certainly be reasonable. There is no debate, we are a top 10 program however. You will never convince a reasonable person who follows college basketball otherwise.

 

[WoadBlue]

Originally posted by UNC71-00:
It gives me a good chuckle when imagining the steam coming out of Woad's ears as basketball gets debated on the football board.

It proves the point. Art Chansky gets so excited at the very thought that he puts away his viagra.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by gteeitup:
you think top 10 programs have years when they don't make the dance or lose before the sweet 16?...

You mean like how UK (a team you rated as a top 10 program) missed the tournament 3 years ago? Or do you mean like how duke (another team you rated as a top 10 program) has lost in the first round 2 out of the last 3 years?

Hmmm, funny because before this latest 3 year run of being in the NCAA tournament, Wichita St had missed 5 consecutive NCAA tournaments before that.

Oh, and what do you know?...VCU has lost before the sweet 16 in the last 3 NCAA tournaments.

And what about those mighty Arizona Wildcats? Well, they haven't made a Final Four since winning it all in 1997. And they missed the dance in 2010 and 2012 (where they lost in the first round of the NIT).

What about Wisconsin, you ask?...in 2009, 2010 and 2013, they failed to make the sweet 16.

But the defending champion UConn Huskies must have better recent success in the tournament than us, right? Well,...they've missed 3 NCAA tournaments since 2007 and lost in the first round in 2 other years since 2007. But yeah, they won the championship last year so that must mean they're a better program than us.

Well Louisville certainly hasn't missed the tournament since Pitino got there...what?...they have? Yep, they missed the tournament in 2005-2006 and they failed to make the sweet 16 in 3 other years since Pitino has been there.

Originally posted by gteeitup:


the debate is carolina being a top 10 program right now...right now, imo, carolina is not a top 10 basketball program.

You keep saying this but all you are offering up is some subjective criteria which I just shredded. If you want to say that UNC is not a top 10 team this year, then fine. If you want to say that UNC hasn't met your personal expectations, that too is fine. But you attempted to list 10 programs that you think are better programs than UNC and I just shot holes all in it. I think it's clear that at least 5 of the programs you listed are not better programs.

Originally posted by gteeitup:

and of course greg marshall isn't going to compare programs...that's our job and right now, witchita st. looks better.

Greg Marshall wouldn't say it. Bilas wouldn't say it. Coach K wouldn't say it. Pitino, Izzo, Boeheim, Bob Knight, Bill Raftery, Greg Anderson, Vitale and many, many more wouldn't say it. In fact, the only people that would say it would be UNC fans that are being a bit reactionary and overdramatic about our recent play.





This post was edited on 12/31 9:43 AM by gunslingerdick

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:


Is Carolina a Top 10 program all-time? Yes.
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since the NCAAT expanded to 64? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since 1980? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since 1990? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program NOW in today's landscape? No.

agreed
agreed
agreed
agreed
completely meaningless so I have no opinion on this.

Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:

Top 10 programs don't lose to Belmont at home. Period.

Does it have to be Belmont? Or would MSU (supposedly another program better than us) losing just a couple weeks ago at home to Texas Southern count?

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by UNC '92:

Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:
Thanks gtee for doing a lot of the leg work.

Is Carolina a Top 10 program all-time? Yes.
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since the NCAAT expanded to 64? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since 1980? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since 1990? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program NOW in today's landscape? No.

Top 10 programs don't lose to Belmont at home. Period.

What leg work? What other than his opinion can be qualified as leg work?

Yeah, I lol'd at the leg work comment as well. Nothing against gtee because he's one of my favorite posters, but he's offered nothing - nothing at all - to support his claim that we are not a top 10 program. Meanwhile, I'm the one scouring Wikipedia and squashing all this ridiculous talk. So if someone gets a pat on the back for leg work, it should clearly be me.

Originally posted by UNC '92:
If you are suggesting we aren't a top 10 team at the moment then that would certainly be reasonable.

Yeah, I'll give that up. If they want to say we're not a top 10 team right now, on December 31st, 2014 at 9:38 am, I'll agree to that.

Originally posted by UNC '92:

Hey man, I get it. You want football to be successful. So do I. I'm just not going to try to make ridiculous assertions

I'm not either and I'm gonna call BS when I see it happening.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by UNC71-00:
It gives me a good chuckle when imagining the steam coming out of Woad's ears as basketball gets debated on the football board.

Why do you think I'm going so hard at it?

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Today's college basketball is so fluid (not a good thing) and fluctuates so drastically from year to year, that saying UNC isn't a Top 10 team the past two seasons is analogous to saying UNC isn't a Top 10 program right now.

That's why I no longer care much for college basketball. There's not really any program-building any more. You just gotta grab a couple stud recruits and you can go from worst to first in one year. Wake Forest, for instance, could grab a couple ballers and suddenly be the best team in the ACC. Then those two would leave after one year and Wake would go back to the bottom. The only programs that build anymore are UNC (recruiting players who don't leave after one year, but in a related note, don't dominate either) and the mid-majors like Butler who rely on experienced upperclassmen.

So for the purpose of this argument, to me, it's just semantics to specify whether you mean UNC isn't a Top 10 team this season versus a Top 10 program at the moment. They're the same thing, IMO.

 

[UNC '92]

I respect your opinion, I just think you are wrong. You used Wake Forest as an example. If they kicked ass for two years and then went back to what they normally are, no one is going to confuse them for a top ten program.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:
Today's college basketball is so fluid (not a good thing) and fluctuates so drastically from year to year, that saying UNC isn't a Top 10 team the past two seasons is analogous to saying UNC isn't a Top 10 program right now.

That's why I no longer care much for college basketball. There's not really any program-building any more. You just gotta grab a couple stud recruits and you can go from worst to first in one year. Wake Forest, for instance, could grab a couple ballers and suddenly be the best team in the ACC. Then those two would leave after one year and Wake would go back to the bottom. The only programs that build anymore are UNC (recruiting players who don't leave after one year, but in a related note, don't dominate either) and the mid-majors like Butler who rely on experienced upperclassmen.

So for the purpose of this argument, to me, it's just semantics to specify whether you mean UNC isn't a Top 10 team this season versus a Top 10 program at the moment. They're the same thing, IMO.

Translation:

What I wrote is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in my rambling, incoherent response was I even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone here is now dumber for having read it. I award myself no points and may God have mercy on my soul.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Nice pull. I love that part of Billy Madison.

 

[dgheel57]

Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:
Thanks gtee for doing a lot of the leg work.

Is Carolina a Top 10 program all-time? Yes.
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since the NCAAT expanded to 64? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since 1980? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program since 1990? Yes
Is Carolina a Top 10 program NOW in today's landscape? No.

Top 10 programs don't lose to Belmont at home. Period.

Does you logic include Kentucky losing to Gardner Webb at home also?